Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:14 pm
Draft Picks by schools that left FCS since 2000. This is with all those extra scholarships. Please add any that I may have missed.
Appalachian State -- 2
Georgia Southern -- 2
Liberty -- 1
UMass -- 1
ODU
Texas St
WKU
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
the Liberty dude was recruited and played most of his career at FCS level. So he should count.
No G5 player drafted until mid 2nd round. Big boys dominated the draft.
89Hen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:48 pm
So what you're saying is four schools that 'recently' left I-AA had as many picks as the remaining 126 I-AA schools. Are you REALLY sure you want to continue? This simply isn't a fair fight Gil.
Oh, BTW:
Charlotte (2)
FAU (1)
FIU (2)
Sorry, I didn't think those were included as power schools that left FCS, 8 years total between the 3. So according to Sagarin, only 2 of those 12 teams were ranked ahead of Montana. Montana was the 3rd ranked Big Sky School. FCS is as good as ever.
Oh, I didn't realize when you said "schools that left FCS since 2000" you didn't mean all schools, even though YOU included Georgia State who only played three seasons in I-AA. I'm sorry, were you going for something else you fraud?
Gil, you are so fucked on this debate. I beg of you to stop.
Sorry, I didn't think those were included as power schools that left FCS, 8 years total between the 3. So according to Sagarin, only 2 of those 12 teams were ranked ahead of Montana. Montana was the 3rd ranked Big Sky School. FCS is as good as ever.
Oh, I didn't realize when you said "schools that left FCS since 2000" you didn't mean all schools, even though YOU included Georgia State who only played three seasons in I-AA. I'm sorry, were you going for something else you fraud?
Gil, you are so fucked on this debate. I beg of you to stop.
Oh, I didn't realize when you said "schools that left FCS since 2000" you didn't mean all schools, even though YOU included Georgia State who only played three seasons in I-AA. I'm sorry, were you going for something else you fraud?
Gil, you are so fucked on this debate. I beg of you to stop.
We weren't playing the era with the most draft picks wins, you can have that. I'm saying FCS is as good as it ever was, and it is. You can talk until you are blue in the face and I won't believe the FCS football I watched in 2005 was any better than it is today.
We weren't playing the era with the most draft picks wins, you can have that. I'm saying FCS is as good as it ever was, and it is. You can talk until you are blue in the face and I won't believe the FCS football I watched in 2005 was any better than it is today.
My eyes (which have been watching I-AA since 1978) tell me it's worse, so do a bunch of other guys eyes. We can dispute that. The number of draft picks are down. There is no disputing that. So until you come up with something better than your eyes...
I-AA goes from recent history of 13-20, to 6.
Div II goes from recent history of around 5-6, to 2.
That can't be a coincidence. Pro Days at colleges and universities, and all the other cancelled pre draft scouting, workouts, interviews, and investigative stuff I bet hurt a lot of the I-AA & Div II fringe late round prospects more than the I-A guys.They'll probably be just as many I-AA UDFAs. How many are drafted doesn't matter as much as how many I-AA's make rosters. Will be interesting to see that comparison to previous seasons.
2000-2009 averages 16.9 picks per season
2010-2019 averages 16.8 picks per season
2020 was an anomaly due to the virus and lack of pro days.
More proof of nothing. in prior years, there were more HBCU players chosen in the draft. Maybe you are referring FCS is down because the MEAC is down and no longer participates in the playoffs.
If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
Vidav wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:00 am
If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
Vidav wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:00 am
If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
If they had held NDSU to fewer points they might have won more too.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
If they had held NDSU to fewer points they might have won more too.
Vidav wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:00 am
If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
So say that is what came to pass. TWO teams winning the last like 8 championships shows that the rest of the division is shit.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
So say that is what came to pass. TWO teams winning the last like 8 championships shows that the rest of the division is shit.
Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:14 pm
Draft Picks by schools that left FCS since 2000. This is with all those extra scholarships. Please add any that I may have missed.
Appalachian State -- 2
Georgia Southern -- 2
Liberty -- 1
UMass -- 1
ODU
Texas St
WKU
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
the Liberty dude was recruited and played most of his career at FCS level. So he should count.
No G5 player drafted until mid 2nd round. Big boys dominated the draft.
This is the bigger trend people should be worried/focused on. Those FCOA the P5 has offered for a few years now is going to really start to show from here on out.
the Liberty dude was recruited and played most of his career at FCS level. So he should count.
No G5 player drafted until mid 2nd round. Big boys dominated the draft.
This is the bigger trend people should be worried/focused on. Those FCOA the P5 has offered for a few years now is going to really start to show from here on out.
This is the bigger trend people should be worried/focused on. Those FCOA the P5 has offered for a few years now is going to really start to show from here on out.
I thought the amount was set by the NCAA, and each school could pay the same amount. Just more scholarships for FBS as usual.
Q: Do all college athletes receive the same amount of money?
No. Subject to federal guidelines, financial aid officers at each school determine the cost of attendance. Additionally, based on each school’s policies, a student’s cost of attendance can be adjusted based on his or her individual circumstances such as transportation, childcare needs and unusual medical expenses.
I'm sure these financial aid officers could be leaned on to approve higher amounts, but then again, if they're going to provide it for football and Men's bball, they're going to have to provide it for an equal # of female scholly athletes due to Title IX, which pretty much will mean the same amount fo $$ for all scholly athletes. Some of these P5s with 20-25 or more varsity sports have hundreds (500+?) scholly athletes, mostly for non revenue sports..
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I thought the amount was set by the NCAA, and each school could pay the same amount. Just more scholarships for FBS as usual.
Q: Do all college athletes receive the same amount of money?
No. Subject to federal guidelines, financial aid officers at each school determine the cost of attendance. Additionally, based on each school’s policies, a student’s cost of attendance can be adjusted based on his or her individual circumstances such as transportation, childcare needs and unusual medical expenses.
I'm sure these financial aid officers could be leaned on to approve higher amounts, but then again, if they're going to provide it for football and Men's bball, they're going to have to provide it for an equal # of female scholly athletes due to Title IX, which pretty much will mean the same amount fo $$ for all scholly athletes. Some of these P5s with 20-25 or more varsity sports have hundreds (500+?) scholly athletes, mostly for non revenue sports..
I know a bunch of I-AA football schools (a majority?) offer FCOA for mens' & womens' basketball. That's only 28? schollies. I wonder if there's a list of I-AA that offer FCOA for football? From what I've been able to look up via web search & AGS:
Offer FCOA:
-JMU (4k this past season)
-UD
-NDSU
-UND
-SDSU
-USD
-UNI
Don't offer FCOA:
-Montana St (I remember their HC talking about it before the semis vs NDSU)
-Montana? (since MT St doesn't)
-W&M
-UR
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