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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:14 pm Draft Picks by schools that left FCS since 2000. This is with all those extra scholarships. Please add any that I may have missed.

Appalachian State -- 2
Georgia Southern -- 2
Liberty -- 1
UMass -- 1
ODU
Texas St
WKU
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
the Liberty dude was recruited and played most of his career at FCS level. So he should count. :)

No G5 player drafted until mid 2nd round. Big boys dominated the draft.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:56 pm
89Hen wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:48 pm
So what you're saying is four schools that 'recently' left I-AA had as many picks as the remaining 126 I-AA schools. :suspicious: Are you REALLY sure you want to continue? This simply isn't a fair fight Gil.

Oh, BTW:

Charlotte (2)
FAU (1)
FIU (2)
Sorry, I didn't think those were included as power schools that left FCS, 8 years total between the 3. So according to Sagarin, only 2 of those 12 teams were ranked ahead of Montana. Montana was the 3rd ranked Big Sky School. FCS is as good as ever.
Oh, I didn't realize when you said "schools that left FCS since 2000" you didn't mean all schools, even though YOU included Georgia State who only played three seasons in I-AA. I'm sorry, were you going for something else you fraud?

Gil, you are so fucked on this debate. I beg of you to stop. :tothehand:
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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89Hen wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:36 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:56 pm

Sorry, I didn't think those were included as power schools that left FCS, 8 years total between the 3. So according to Sagarin, only 2 of those 12 teams were ranked ahead of Montana. Montana was the 3rd ranked Big Sky School. FCS is as good as ever.
Oh, I didn't realize when you said "schools that left FCS since 2000" you didn't mean all schools, even though YOU included Georgia State who only played three seasons in I-AA. I'm sorry, were you going for something else you fraud?

Gil, you are so fucked on this debate. I beg of you to stop. :tothehand:
I must be doing good, you are starting to swear. :thumb:

Waiting for you to bring Massey in to the fray. :lol:
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:46 pm
89Hen wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:36 pm

Oh, I didn't realize when you said "schools that left FCS since 2000" you didn't mean all schools, even though YOU included Georgia State who only played three seasons in I-AA. I'm sorry, were you going for something else you fraud?

Gil, you are so fucked on this debate. I beg of you to stop. :tothehand:
I must be doing good, you are starting to swear. :thumb:

Waiting for you to bring Massey in to the fray. :lol:
You're lost. PLEASE stop.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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89Hen wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:52 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:46 pm

I must be doing good, you are starting to swear. :thumb:

Waiting for you to bring Massey in to the fray. :lol:
You're lost. PLEASE stop.
We weren't playing the era with the most draft picks wins, you can have that. I'm saying FCS is as good as it ever was, and it is. You can talk until you are blue in the face and I won't believe the FCS football I watched in 2005 was any better than it is today.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:04 pm
89Hen wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:52 pm

You're lost. PLEASE stop.
We weren't playing the era with the most draft picks wins, you can have that. I'm saying FCS is as good as it ever was, and it is. You can talk until you are blue in the face and I won't believe the FCS football I watched in 2005 was any better than it is today.
My eyes (which have been watching I-AA since 1978) tell me it's worse, so do a bunch of other guys eyes. We can dispute that. The number of draft picks are down. There is no disputing that. So until you come up with something better than your eyes... :coffee:
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:40 pm
89Hen wrote: Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:26 pm Where are the rest?
I-AA/FCS picks since the draft decreased from 12 to 7 rounds in 1993:
1993: 17
1994: 22
1995: 22
1996: 29
1997: 27
1998: 17
1999: 27
2000: 21
2001: 16
2002: 18
2003: 12
2004: 15
2005: 16
2006: 15
2007: 18
2008: 21
2009: 17
2010: 17
2011: 19
2012: 15
2013: 16
2014: 17
2015: 17
2016: 20
2017: 15
2018: 19
2019: 13
2020: 6
https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-fcs-pi ... -2019-ajaj

I-AA goes from recent history of 13-20, to 6.
Div II goes from recent history of around 5-6, to 2.

That can't be a coincidence. Pro Days at colleges and universities, and all the other cancelled pre draft scouting, workouts, interviews, and investigative stuff I bet hurt a lot of the I-AA & Div II fringe late round prospects more than the I-A guys.They'll probably be just as many I-AA UDFAs. How many are drafted doesn't matter as much as how many I-AA's make rosters. Will be interesting to see that comparison to previous seasons.
2000-2009 averages 16.9 picks per season
2010-2019 averages 16.8 picks per season
2020 was an anomaly due to the virus and lack of pro days.

More proof of nothing. in prior years, there were more HBCU players chosen in the draft. Maybe you are referring FCS is down because the MEAC is down and no longer participates in the playoffs.

SWAC and MEAC draft picks since 1994, when the NFL went to 7 rounds
1994 10
1995 9
1996 11
1997 9
1998 6
1999 4 - 49 SWAC/MEAC
2000 11
2001 3
2002 2
2003 6
2004 2
2005 5
2006 3
2007 3
2008 2
2009 1 - 38 SWAC/MEAC
2010 1
2011 4
2012 1
2013 2
2014 0
2015 2
2016 3
2017 3
2018 2
2019 3 - 21 SWAC/MEAC
2020 0
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Vidav wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:00 am If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:18 am
Vidav wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:00 am If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
If they had held NDSU to fewer points they might have won more too.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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89Hen wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:20 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:18 am

If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
If they had held NDSU to fewer points they might have won more too.
Nah, points are an overrated stat. :rofl:
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:18 am
Vidav wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:00 am If the FCS was any good we would have other teams competing for a championship once in a while. One team being great does not equal the whole division being good.
If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
So say that is what came to pass. TWO teams winning the last like 8 championships shows that the rest of the division is shit.
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Vidav wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:04 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:18 am

If NDSU didn't have Jabril Cox, there is a good chance JMU would have won 3 of the last 4 championships, instead of 1. Cox forced the JMU QB to hurry his pass in 2017, and made some big plays against Illinois St, helping keep Robinson in check.
So say that is what came to pass. TWO teams winning the last like 8 championships shows that the rest of the division is shit.
I get it, just pulling your chain.

PS: 2 teams with last 9 titles.
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dbackjon wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:28 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:14 pm Draft Picks by schools that left FCS since 2000. This is with all those extra scholarships. Please add any that I may have missed.

Appalachian State -- 2
Georgia Southern -- 2
Liberty -- 1
UMass -- 1
ODU
Texas St
WKU
Georgia State
Coastal Carolina
the Liberty dude was recruited and played most of his career at FCS level. So he should count. :)

No G5 player drafted until mid 2nd round. Big boys dominated the draft.
This is the bigger trend people should be worried/focused on. Those FCOA the P5 has offered for a few years now is going to really start to show from here on out.
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Re: I-AA/FCS draft picks & UDFA signings

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:01 pm
dbackjon wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:28 pm

the Liberty dude was recruited and played most of his career at FCS level. So he should count. :)

No G5 player drafted until mid 2nd round. Big boys dominated the draft.
This is the bigger trend people should be worried/focused on. Those FCOA the P5 has offered for a few years now is going to really start to show from here on out.
Is it more than the FCS schools that offer FCOA?
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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:14 pm
SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:01 pm

This is the bigger trend people should be worried/focused on. Those FCOA the P5 has offered for a few years now is going to really start to show from here on out.
Is it more than the FCS schools that offer FCOA?
Yes.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:43 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:14 pm

Is it more than the FCS schools that offer FCOA?
Yes.
I thought the amount was set by the NCAA, and each school could pay the same amount. Just more scholarships for FBS as usual.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:33 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:43 pm

Yes.
I thought the amount was set by the NCAA, and each school could pay the same amount. Just more scholarships for FBS as usual.
Q: Do all college athletes receive the same amount of money?

No. Subject to federal guidelines, financial aid officers at each school determine the cost of attendance. Additionally, based on each school’s policies, a student’s cost of attendance can be adjusted based on his or her individual circumstances such as transportation, childcare needs and unusual medical expenses.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/ ... endance-qa

I'm sure these financial aid officers could be leaned on to approve higher amounts, but then again, if they're going to provide it for football and Men's bball, they're going to have to provide it for an equal # of female scholly athletes due to Title IX, which pretty much will mean the same amount fo $$ for all scholly athletes. Some of these P5s with 20-25 or more varsity sports have hundreds (500+?) scholly athletes, mostly for non revenue sports..
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:00 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:33 am

I thought the amount was set by the NCAA, and each school could pay the same amount. Just more scholarships for FBS as usual.
Q: Do all college athletes receive the same amount of money?

No. Subject to federal guidelines, financial aid officers at each school determine the cost of attendance. Additionally, based on each school’s policies, a student’s cost of attendance can be adjusted based on his or her individual circumstances such as transportation, childcare needs and unusual medical expenses.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/ ... endance-qa

I'm sure these financial aid officers could be leaned on to approve higher amounts, but then again, if they're going to provide it for football and Men's bball, they're going to have to provide it for an equal # of female scholly athletes due to Title IX, which pretty much will mean the same amount fo $$ for all scholly athletes. Some of these P5s with 20-25 or more varsity sports have hundreds (500+?) scholly athletes, mostly for non revenue sports..
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I know a bunch of I-AA football schools (a majority?) offer FCOA for mens' & womens' basketball. That's only 28? schollies. I wonder if there's a list of I-AA that offer FCOA for football? From what I've been able to look up via web search & AGS:

Offer FCOA:
-JMU (4k this past season)
-UD
-NDSU
-UND
-SDSU
-USD
-UNI

Don't offer FCOA:
-Montana St (I remember their HC talking about it before the semis vs NDSU)
-Montana? (since MT St doesn't)
-W&M
-UR
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:19 pm I wonder if there's a list of I-AA that offer FCOA for football? From what I've been able to look up:

Offer FCOA:
-JMU (4k this past season)
-UD
-NDSU
-SDSU
-S Dakota

Don't offer FCOA:
-Montana St (I remember their HC talking about it before the semis vs NDSU)
-W&M
-UR
Montana St was looking into it.
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The SWAC had two guys signed as free agents PVAM QB JALEN MORTON and teammate TE JORDAN JONES were picked up by Green Bay.
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