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The poll threads push discussion and accountability and as a result, AGS is still the best FCS poll around.

This was a tough preseason poll as a few of the ranked teams have either lost a coach, an elite QB, or in the case of NDSU, both. Maine and JMU both come back loaded but with a new coaching staff. SDSU returns quite a bit of talent but no Taryn Christion...

It was an interesting poll to create. Like you said, many of the top teams have multiple question marks concerning coaching changes, QB changes. etc.


And being preseason, it is a crap shoot anyways

My vote:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Maine Black Bears
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Towson Tigers
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Nicholls State Colonels
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Furman Paladins
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Kennesaw State Owls
20: Yale Bulldogs
21: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
22: The Citadel Bulldogs
23: Incarnate Word Cardinals
24: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

dbackjon wrote:1: North Dakota State Bison

Don't you know they're going to stink this year? Just ask Gil.

That's fucking comical. Incarnate Word? Southeast Missouri State? Yale?

Montana rolls most of the bottom 10 in that poll.

AZGrizFan wrote:That's fucking comical. Incarnate Word? Southeast Missouri State? Yale?

Montana rolls most of the bottom 10 in that poll.

SEMO won a playoff game last year
UIW made the playoffs
Montana sat home
Yale is to piss Ivytalk off

dbackjon wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:That's fucking comical. Incarnate Word? Southeast Missouri State? Yale?

Montana rolls most of the bottom 10 in that poll.

SEMO won a playoff game last year
UIW made the playoffs
Montana sat home
Yale is to piss Ivytalk off

Agree, Montana has not been rolling a fucking thing lately so although I personally have hope they will be much better this year there is no god damn way anyone else around the country would think they should rank UM any higher than we are. We're lucky to have gotten that much respect and AZGriz doesn't pay any attention to it anymore is my guess.

If I remember right though UIW has a pretty rough schedule so they may be out of the mix pretty quick.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
SEMO won a playoff game last year
UIW made the playoffs
Montana sat home
Yale is to piss Ivytalk off

Agree, Montana has not been rolling a fucking thing lately so although I personally have hope they will be much better this year there is no god damn way anyone else around the country would think they should rank UM any higher than we are. We're lucky to have gotten that much respect and AZGriz doesn't pay any attention to it anymore is my guess.

If I remember right though UIW has a pretty rough schedule so they may be out of the mix pretty quick.

OOC is UTSA (HEY Z - you can go watch them!), Tx Southern and NMSU

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
SEMO won a playoff game last year
UIW made the playoffs
Montana sat home
Yale is to piss Ivytalk off

Agree, Montana has not been rolling a fucking thing lately so although I personally have hope they will be much better this year there is no god damn way anyone else around the country would think they should rank UM any higher than we are. We're lucky to have gotten that much respect and AZGriz doesn't pay any attention to it anymore is my guess.

If I remember right though UIW has a pretty rough schedule so they may be out of the mix pretty quick.

Last year. What does last year have to do with this year?

dbackjon wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Agree, Montana has not been rolling a fucking thing lately so although I personally have hope they will be much better this year there is no god damn way anyone else around the country would think they should rank UM any higher than we are. We're lucky to have gotten that much respect and AZGriz doesn't pay any attention to it anymore is my guess.

If I remember right though UIW has a pretty rough schedule so they may be out of the mix pretty quick.

OOC is UTSA (HEY Z - you can go watch them!), Tx Southern and NMSU

Uh...yeah. Their campus is about 8 miles from my house. I think I could watch them any time I felt like it...especially since there MIGHT be 500 people at the games....

AZGrizFan wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: Agree, Montana has not been rolling a fucking thing lately so although I personally have hope they will be much better this year there is no god damn way anyone else around the country would think they should rank UM any higher than we are. We're lucky to have gotten that much respect and AZGriz doesn't pay any attention to it anymore is my guess.

If I remember right though UIW has a pretty rough schedule so they may be out of the mix pretty quick.

Last year. What does last year have to do with this year?

A lot really when you consider what else you have to go on...which is jack and shit.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Last year. What does last year have to do with this year?

A lot really when you consider what else you have to go on...which is jack and shit.

Two GREAT options.

89Hen wrote:

dbackjon wrote:1: North Dakota State Bison

Don't you know they're going to stink this year? Just ask Gil.

They'll lose a few games this year. 7 Starters return and only 15 are Seniors, lost QB, top 2 RB's, top WR etc.

Gil Dobie wrote:

89Hen wrote: Don't you know they're going to stink this year? Just ask Gil.

They'll lose a few games this year. 7 Starters return and only 15 are Seniors, lost QB, top 2 RB's, top WR etc.

7 starters back
9 All MVFC preseason selections

Maybe AGS pollsters aren't the only ones over valuing NDSU




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dbackjon wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:That's **** comical. Incarnate Word? Southeast Missouri State? Yale?

Montana rolls most of the bottom 10 in that poll.

SEMO won a playoff game last year
UIW made the playoffs
Montana sat home
Yale is to piss Ivytalk off

It will take a lot more than that to piss me off.

Call it good old-fashioned “Harvard insouciance.”

Ivytalk wrote:

dbackjon wrote:
SEMO won a playoff game last year
UIW made the playoffs
Montana sat home
Yale is to piss Ivytalk off

It will take a lot more than that to piss me off.

Call it good old-fashioned “Harvard insouciance.”

This is why I don't rank the Ivies...

kalm wrote:

Ivytalk wrote: It will take a lot more than that to piss me off.

Call it good old-fashioned “Harvard insouciance.”

This is why I don't rank the Ivies...

I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism. Especially those prairie yokels from NDSU. (Gil is the exception that proves the rule.)

Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
This is why I don't rank the Ivies...

I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism.

It's not a hard and fast rule for me and there have been times late in the season where you start to have trouble finding worthy teams and I've ranked an Ivy. Wasn't proud of it...

kalm wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism.

It's not a hard and fast rule for me and there have been times late in the season where you start to have trouble finding worthy teams and I've ranked an Ivy. Wasn't proud of it...

Penn could have a team twice as potent as the strongest NDSU squad ever, and I wouldn’t rank them.

Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
It's not a hard and fast rule for me and there have been times late in the season where you start to have trouble finding worthy teams and I've ranked an Ivy. Wasn't proud of it...

Penn could have a team twice as potent as the most astringent NDSU squad ever, and I wouldn’t rank them.

FYP

I love to mock the Ivies but it's all in good fun. I have an uncle and a niece who graduated from Harvard, a sister and a niece who graduated from Princeton and a buddy I used to work with in the summers who graduated from Penn. They were definitely sharp but I never felt intellectually or culturally inferior to them.

Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
This is why I don't rank the Ivies...

I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism. Especially those prairie yokels from NDSU. (Gil is the exception that proves the rule.)

I have no problem with folks who won't put any Ivy in their ballot. Too many years the Ivy champ loses their only tough OOC game after running the table. Combine that with what is easily the biggest hypocritical stance in college sports.

89Hen wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:
I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism. Especially those prairie yokels from NDSU. (Gil is the exception that proves the rule.)

I have no problem with folks who won't put any Ivy in their ballot. Too many years the Ivy champ loses their only tough OOC game after running the table. Combine that with what is easily the biggest hypocritical stance in college sports.

I agree - there's just so much isolation for the Ivy League relative to the rest of the FCS that ranking them or not ranking them is purely guesswork. I think there have been some decent Ivy League teams over the past few years that could be playoff worthy teams and even win a game or two, but there's also been a lot of slop as well. But with the evaluating being so non-objective I don't fault folks for not ranking them at all (nor for folks that do rank them).

You can’t refuse postseason play AND bitch about the rankings.


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Ivytalk wrote:

kalm wrote:
This is why I don't rank the Ivies...

I always chuckle at the AGS posters who say that. The stated reason is that the Ivies don’t compete in the FCS playoffs or, sometimes, that the quality of OOC opponents is poor. For a number of them, however (not you), I suspect that the real reason is anti-elitist chip-on-the-shoulderism. Especially those prairie yokels from NDSU. (Gil is the exception that proves the rule.)

It has nothing to do with elitism. It's just that Ivy teams suck mostly and are too pussy to participate in the playoffs. They play in the playoffs in everything else, so the only explanation for football is that they're pussies.

Sorry if the truth hurts.

clenz wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
They'll lose a few games this year. 7 Starters return and only 15 are Seniors, lost QB, top 2 RB's, top WR etc.

7 starters back
9 All MVFC preseason selections

Exactly. I had NDSU #7 in my preseason ballot. If it was most any other top-5 program from the previous year with those kind of personnel losses, I'd have put them at the bottom of the top-25 at best.