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tampajag wrote:glad Grambling will be able to make the bus trip to New Orleans

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mrklean wrote:

tampajag wrote:glad Grambling will be able to make the bus trip to New Orleans

Show me the BOOTY

I'm gonna get pics

Southern's Bayou Classic jersey:

mrklean wrote:

Show me the BOOTY

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craneac27 wrote:

mrklean wrote:

little darlings on Bourbon only all black strip club in new orleans that i know of. its literally a brothel.

I realize that it's a big tradition and a big party, but to those of us on the "outside" it's a bad team playing a REALLY bad team with both teams being from a really bad FCS conference. Just nothing to care about unless you're involved in it.

Earlier this year I was listening to the Jaguar Journal radio show here in the Baton Rouge Area. The hosts were talking about playing other State schools. They actually said that Southern should not play Southeastern Louisiana because if Southern won they're supposed to and if Southeastern Louisiana won it'd make their season.

What a dream world. Southern would not be "supposed to"...i.e. expected to...beat any team from the Southland Conference. This year Southeastern Louisiana could beat Southern 100-0 if the Lions wanted to and didn't call off the dogs.

And when they were preparing to play Northwestern State they said the same kind of stuff. Like beating Southern would be a big deal to Northwestern State.

I'm thinking, "Guys, I've got news for you. Northwestern State going into the season looked at Southern as a win they could count. Southern, to Northwestern State, is an easy game." This thing where people associated with Southern think other people look at them as though they're a big deal is pretty bad. At least if you're going by what you hear on that radio show from the hosts and the caller.

Then Northwestern State beat the Jaguars 55-14. Outgained them 554 to 248 in total yards.

I happened to have the Massey Ratings for FCS schools up for another thread. Southern is rated 101st out of 127 FCS teams and Grambling is rated 122nd. And they're going to show that on national television. Good GRIEF. What a waste of air time.

JohnStOnge wrote:I realize that it's a big tradition and a big party, but to those of us on the "outside" it's a bad team playing a REALLY bad team with both teams being from a really bad FCS conference. Just nothing to care about unless you're involved in it.

Earlier this year I was listening to the Jaguar Journal radio show here in the Baton Rouge Area. The hosts were talking about playing other State schools. They actually said that Southern should not play Southeastern Louisiana because if Southern won they're supposed to and if Southeastern Louisiana won it'd make their season.

What a dream world. Southern would not be "supposed to"...i.e. expected to...beat any team from the Southland Conference. This year Southeastern Louisiana could beat Southern 100-0 if the Lions wanted to and didn't call off the dogs.

And when they were preparing to play Northwestern State they said the same kind of stuff. Like beating Southern would be a big deal to Northwestern State.

I'm thinking, "Guys, I've got news for you. Northwestern State going into the season looked at Southern as a win they could count. Southern, to Northwestern State, is an easy game." This thing where people associated with Southern think other people look at them as though they're a big deal is pretty bad. At least if you're going by what you hear on that radio show from the hosts and the caller.

Then Northwestern State beat the Jaguars 55-14. Outgained them 554 to 248 in total yards.

I happened to have the Massey Ratings for FCS schools up for another thread. Southern is rated 101st out of 127 FCS teams and Grambling is rated 122nd. And they're going to show that on national television. Good GRIEF. What a waste of air time.

You've got to credit the ADs for these schools, because this is a regional game between two bad FCS teams... and they somehow manage to get it on national network TV. I have no explanation as to how these teams can get coverage, while teams like Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, Montana, Delaware and other top notch FCS programs can't get airtime on national TV unless they are playing an FBS team or make the semis of the playoffs.

At least the Big Sky has a great regional TV contract for airing games on Root Sports in the West.

Honest question. I don't follow any college ball outside the Griz. Why doesn't the SWAC participate in the playoffs?

Vidav wrote:Honest question. I don't follow any college ball outside the Griz. Why doesn't the SWAC participate in the playoffs?

So they can have the SWAC Championship Game, which brings them a bunch of money.

Vidav wrote:Honest question. I don't follow any college ball outside the Griz. Why doesn't the SWAC participate in the playoffs?

because the few teams we sent went 0-19 and the commish at the time thought a championship game would make money.

JohnStOnge wrote:I realize that it's a big tradition and a big party, but to those of us on the "outside" it's a bad team playing a REALLY bad team with both teams being from a really bad FCS conference. Just nothing to care about unless you're involved in it.

Earlier this year I was listening to the Jaguar Journal radio show here in the Baton Rouge Area. The hosts were talking about playing other State schools. They actually said that Southern should not play Southeastern Louisiana because if Southern won they're supposed to and if Southeastern Louisiana won it'd make their season.

What a dream world. Southern would not be "supposed to"...i.e. expected to...beat any team from the Southland Conference. This year Southeastern Louisiana could beat Southern 100-0 if the Lions wanted to and didn't call off the dogs.

And when they were preparing to play Northwestern State they said the same kind of stuff. Like beating Southern would be a big deal to Northwestern State.
I'm thinking, "Guys, I've got news for you. Northwestern State going into the season looked at Southern as a win they could count. Southern, to Northwestern State, is an easy game." This thing where people associated with Southern think other people look at them as though they're a big deal is pretty bad. At least if you're going by what you hear on that radio show from the hosts and the caller.

Then Northwestern State beat the Jaguars 55-14. Outgained them 554 to 248 in total yards.

I happened to have the Massey Ratings for FCS schools up for another thread. Southern is rated 101st out of 127 FCS teams and Grambling is rated 122nd. And they're going to show that on national television. Good GRIEF. What a waste of air time.

1 guy said something stupid and he was suspended for his comments. And knowing the host of the Jaguar Journal, I seriously doubs that he thought the Northwestern St game would be easy, especially after getting gashed by Houston the week before. Hell I contribute to the show weekly and I know outside of people believing the team would improve and win the game (I know what a crazy thought) not one caller said the game would be easy. Most of the show was dedicated to the disappointment of how the defense played against Houston and how if they didn't get better the Jags would lose. Outside of the SWAC of course Southern isn't a big deal, but to fans of rival teams you better believe they live for beating us. Just like nobody goes crazy for McNeese outside of your area.

First I apologize for being so mean. I drink. You know how that goes. I'm trying to get better.

The SWAC Championship game is a factor in the SWAC not participating in the playoffs and the Bayou Classic is as well.

I think the SWAC would get better if it did participate in the playoffs. It went 0-19 but did have some competitive teams. Like some would say Grambling got robbed by the officials during a 59-56 first round loss to Stephen F. Austin in 1989. In any case it was a close game and Stephen F. Austin went on to get robbed by the officials during a 37-34 last minute loss to Georgia Southern in the Championship game.

But I think that at least certain schools make more money the way things are. Like Southern and Grambling make more money by playing the Bayou Classic. I may not be able to relate to it but the bottom line is that it IS a nationally televised game every year and it DOES typically (if not always) draw the biggest crowd of any game between two FCS teams each year. And I've listened to the Jaguar Journal show enough that they do NOT want to consider changing it to a date that would allow for Southern or Grambling to participate in the playoffs.

LDopaPDX wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:I realize that it's a big tradition and a big party, but to those of us on the "outside" it's a bad team playing a REALLY bad team with both teams being from a really bad FCS conference. Just nothing to care about unless you're involved in it.

Earlier this year I was listening to the Jaguar Journal radio show here in the Baton Rouge Area. The hosts were talking about playing other State schools. They actually said that Southern should not play Southeastern Louisiana because if Southern won they're supposed to and if Southeastern Louisiana won it'd make their season.

What a dream world. Southern would not be "supposed to"...i.e. expected to...beat any team from the Southland Conference. This year Southeastern Louisiana could beat Southern 100-0 if the Lions wanted to and didn't call off the dogs.

And when they were preparing to play Northwestern State they said the same kind of stuff. Like beating Southern would be a big deal to Northwestern State.

I'm thinking, "Guys, I've got news for you. Northwestern State going into the season looked at Southern as a win they could count. Southern, to Northwestern State, is an easy game." This thing where people associated with Southern think other people look at them as though they're a big deal is pretty bad. At least if you're going by what you hear on that radio show from the hosts and the caller.

Then Northwestern State beat the Jaguars 55-14. Outgained them 554 to 248 in total yards.

I happened to have the Massey Ratings for FCS schools up for another thread. Southern is rated 101st out of 127 FCS teams and Grambling is rated 122nd. And they're going to show that on national television. Good GRIEF. What a waste of air time.

You've got to credit the ADs for these schools, because this is a regional game between two bad FCS teams... and they somehow manage to get it on national network TV. I have no explanation as to how these teams can get coverage, while teams like Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, Montana, Delaware and other top notch FCS programs can't get airtime on national TV unless they are playing an FBS team or make the semis of the playoffs.

At least the Big Sky has a great regional TV contract for airing games on Root Sports in the West.

These two bad teams get national TV coverage because in 1990 somebody decided to talk to NBC about showing a game, that sold out the Superdome (until 2005), every Thanksgiving weekend and they bought it.
Maybe others should have tried it as well.

JohnStOnge wrote:First I apologize for being so mean. I drink. You know how that goes. I'm trying to get better.

The SWAC Championship game is a factor in the SWAC not participating in the playoffs and the Bayou Classic is as well.

I think the SWAC would get better if it did participate in the playoffs. It went 0-19 but did have some competitive teams. Like some would say Grambling got robbed by the officials during a 59-56 first round loss to Stephen F. Austin in 1989. In any case it was a close game and Stephen F. Austin went on to get robbed by the officials during a 37-34 last minute loss to Georgia Southern in the Championship game.

But I think that at least certain schools make more money the way things are. Like Southern and Grambling make more money by playing the Bayou Classic. I may not be able to relate to it but the bottom line is that it IS a nationally televised game every year and it DOES typically (if not always) draw the biggest crowd of any game between two FCS teams each year. And I've listened to the Jaguar Journal show enough that they do NOT want to consider changing it to a date that would allow for Southern or Grambling to participate in the playoffs.

I'll put it like this, our (and other SWAC) fanbase is split into two groups: the majority that love things they way they are (all HBCU schedules, no FBS or regional FCS games, no playoffs) and the minority (the group I fall in that would like the teams to play better schedules and go to the playoffs just like in the other sports). I fight that battle in my own family, changing those mindsets are tough. Playoffs or not I would enjoy playing Northwestern, Nicholls, McNeese, and Southeastern. But I know most of our fans won't because they feel like there's chance of large crowds. And with Southern's program being the way it is right now, it's important to find something to build off. It's hard to convince people who have done things a certain way for 40 years to change. The SWAC football scheduling mentality is so weird to me compared to basketball and baseball.

Unless something major happens, I can safely say that the Classic will never move in my lifetime.

I seriously doubs that he thought the Northwestern St game would be easy, especially after getting gashed by Houston the week before.

I agree that the hosts did not think it was going to be easy. But I think if you do listen every week and heard early season discussions this year about playing Northwestern State and playing other State schools they think other schools like Northwestern State and Southeastern look at playing Southern as a big deal. If you heard the discussion about Southeastern you know that they did say that it would be a big game for Southeastern because they'd be playing Southern and they did make that comment about it being kind of a "nothing to gain" game for Southern because if they win they're supposed to.

I don't think it's unduly mean to say, as an outsider, that people associated with other schools do not look at Southern like the guys doing that show think they do. Now, they (we) DO look at Southern as a cash cow. I don't think there's a FCS program in the State that wouldn't be thrilled to schedule them because it's probably going to mean a huge crowd as they probably travel better than any other FCS fan base. As I've written before the hardest time I've ever had showing up at a football game without a ticket and trying to get in was when I went to a Southern at Nicholls State game during the Richardson glory days. It was completely sold out and I had a harder time getting a ticket than I ever did when I showed up at LSU games without a ticket. I'm sure the record crowds at Nicholls State and Northwestern State were both Southern games and I believe the crowd Louisiana Lafayette got by playing Southern is second largest behind one time when they played Alabama.

BTW when I went to that Southern game at Nicholls State I got a ticket from a female Southern fan who had ONE to sell. So I ended up as this little White spot who was secretly pulling for McNeese conference-mate Nicholls State is this huge Black sea of Southern fans. I think I had a blue sweatshirt with a yellow "M" on it and I think I remember hearing one woman ask another one what my shirt stood for and somebody saying it was probably McNeese. It was quite an experience. Very loud and boisterous.

JohnStOnge wrote:

I seriously doubs that he thought the Northwestern St game would be easy, especially after getting gashed by Houston the week before.

I agree that the hosts did not think it was going to be easy. But I think if you do listen every week and heard early season discussions this year about playing Northwestern State and playing other State schools they think other schools like Northwestern State and Southeastern look at playing Southern as a big deal. If you heard the discussion about Southeastern you know that they did say that it would be a big game for Southeastern because they'd be playing Southern and they did make that comment about it being kind of a "nothing to gain" game for Southern because if they win they're supposed to.

I don't think it's unduly mean to say, as an outsider, that people associated with other schools do not look at Southern like the guys doing that show think they do. Now, they (we) DO look at Southern as a cash cow. I don't think there's a FCS program in the State that wouldn't be thrilled to schedule them because it's probably going to mean a huge crowd as they probably travel better than any other FCS fan base. As I've written before the hardest time I've ever had showing up at a football game without a ticket and trying to get in was when I went to a Southern at Nicholls State game during the Richardson glory days. It was completely sold out and I had a harder time getting a ticket than I ever did when I showed up at LSU games without a ticket. I'm sure the record crowds at Nicholls State and Northwestern State were both Southern games and I believe the crowd Louisiana Lafayette got by playing Southern is second largest behind one time when they played Alabama.

For some people that mentality is there, I'll never deny that. They just don't like to play state schools (or any school not named FAMU or Tennessee State and that includes other HBCUs). For a few weeks I did an around the SWAC segment on the Jaguar Journal and I always talked up FCS especially the power schools. I don't share a lot of the views other fans have. I cheered for McNeese in Ray Jay this year.

Also, I don't expect most people to have a view of Southern being a big deal since they have little to no exposure to the program. But I say this with no hyperbole, you best believe that those other 9 schools in the SWAC look forward to seeing Southern come to their towns no matter our record. I've witnessed that with my own eyes as a loyal and travelling Jag fan for my 37 years on this earth. When people that don't see that hear people talk that way it can and does come off as arrogance.

Our program has been on a steady decline for the past 9 years or so. To me the Northwestern score was ugly but you gotta play those state games to truly see where you stand. After that game I truly feel like our coaches realized we weren't anywhere close to where we thought we were.

That is the sad part. It would be great to watch if they were 2 quality teams to show off the FCS but it is not and has not been for a while. Love for the powers that be at NBC to try to grab one FCS playoff game to showcase....

Vidav wrote:Honest question. I don't follow any college ball outside the Griz. Why doesn't the SWAC participate in the playoffs?

The commissioner Duer Sharp removed this league back in the late 90s because of a lack of expenses.

dal4018 wrote:

Vidav wrote:Honest question. I don't follow any college ball outside the Griz. Why doesn't the SWAC participate in the playoffs?

The commissioner Duer Sharp removed this league back in the late 90s because of a lack of expenses.

That wasn't Sharp, it was Rudy Washington. He expanded the league for the sole purpose of having a championship game.

It seems like if Southern draws big crowds, they'd have money. And if they have money, they could build a competitive team. And if they built a competitive team, they'd have some success in the playoffs.

Why would the fan base care more about a SWAC Championship than a National Championship? In theory, all they'd really have to do is bump up their schedules by a week. That way, you could win a the SWAC and compete for the real title.

I think that Southern did have playoff caliber teams that could have won playoff games during the Pete Richardson glory days. But my impression is that the APR thing really hurt their program. And if they were hurt by the APR I don't think that's a bad reflection on them. I do not like the APR thing at all. I think it is "political correctness." I have no problem with schools taking chances on guys. At least you're giving them a chance. I don't see what's so noble about not giving people chances.