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Youngstown gets obliterated, Illinois State get shut out at home. Were people to quick to dub the MVFC as being totally awesome because of wins over bad FBS teams? No smack intended, just an honest question.

YSU gets taken out by the team that likely will not lose a game the entire season and could do that to any team in the nation....seriously, they are on a whole different level right now.

SIU is better than they are given credit for....



Could be the conference is strong top to bototm

clenz wrote: and could do that to any team in the nation.

Come on, you don't really think they are THAT good, do you?

Pwns wrote:

clenz wrote: and could do that to any team in the nation.

Come on, you don't really think they are THAT good, do you?

In the FCS...yes.


I've seen them in person, watched about a dozen of their games from last season and this season....I don't think they'll be touched.


1 loss in their last 20 games

If I had to rank the Big 4 this year, it'd be:

T1. MVFC
T1. CAA
03. Big Sky
04. SoCon

I personally want to see ODU's offense against NDSU. I think the Bison would win just 'cause our defense can barely stop a anything, but I feel like we could still give 'em a run for their money.

ps. Clenz, I think I read that our AD mentioned UNI as a team we're in talks with to play at ODU (as we transition) next year. It would be a one-game thing. I think Cal Poly was another.

∞∞∞ wrote:If I had to rank the Big 4 this year, it'd be:

T1. MVFC
T1. CAA
03. Big Sky
04. SoCon

I personally want to see ODU's offense against NDSU. I think the Bison would win just 'cause our defense can't stop much, but I feel like we could still give 'em a run for their money.

ps. Clenz, I think I read that our AD mentioned UNI as a team we're in talks with to play at ODU (as we transition) next year. It would be a one-game thing. I think Cal Poly was another.

If you pay enough I'm all for it....honestly.


We play at Iowa State so it's going to have to be a pretty good chunk of change to get us out there, but I could see it.

With the bracketbuster hype that the teams got from that game (and the experience that all ODU fans had in CF, sounded very positive from all I read) and the great experience on the return I fully expect some sort of mutual "We'll call you and you call us for something" type set up

Also, who else are you going to take?

The CAA is the only other conference I'll listen to at this point.

Well, ODU needs at least six "one-of" FCS teams next year to play us at home, and we need some decent ones to get us ready for the full FBS schedule in 2014. We're gonna need to open up our wallets a bit.

I think we're gonna announce some games before next Saturday. We'll see if UNI is one of 'em.

∞∞∞ wrote:Well, ODU needs at least six "one-of" FCS teams next year to play us at home, and we need some decent ones to get us ready for the full FBS schedule in 2014. We're gonna need to open up our wallets a bit.

I think we're gonna announce some games before next Saturday. We'll see if UNI is one of 'em.

If you get UNI for less than 650K, I'd be shocked.

clenz wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote:Well, ODU needs at least six "one-of" FCS teams next year to play us at home, and we need some decent ones to get us ready for the full FBS schedule in 2014. We're gonna need to open up our wallets a bit.

I think we're gonna announce some games before next Saturday. We'll see if UNI is one of 'em.

If you get UNI for less than 650K, I'd be shocked.

Clenz. ODU seats 20k. They can't cough up $30 per ticket sold to give to UNI. Be serious.

93henfan wrote:

clenz wrote: If you get UNI for less than 650K, I'd be shocked.

Clenz. ODU seats 20k. They can't cough up $30 per ticket sold to give to UNI. Be serious.

Then it won't happen.


Already playing an FBS game, not traveling across the country without getting paid....

clenz wrote:Also, who else are you going to take?

The CAA is the only other conference I'll listen to at this point.

Why not the Big Sky?

Pwns wrote:

clenz wrote:Also, who else are you going to take?

The CAA is the only other conference I'll listen to at this point.

Why not the Big Sky?

Team to team?

MSU has shown they aren't what people think they are. EWU could be legit, I don't trust CP.....after that there is a huge drop.

Playing all games on a neutral field, using current standings

Cal Poly - NDSU - I'll take NDSU
Montana State - SDSU - I'll take SDSU
Northern Arizona - Illinois State - I'll take Illinois State
Eastern Washington - Indiana State - I'll take EWU
Sacramento State - SIU - I'll take SSU
North Dakota - YSU - I'll take YSU
UC Davis - WIU - I'll take WIU
Montana - UNI - I'll take UNI
Southern Utah - USD - I'll take SUU
Idaho State - MSU - I'll take MSU

I'd take USD, WIU, and MSU over the rest of the Big Sky as well

Northern Colorado
Portland State
Weber State

clenz wrote:

Pwns wrote:
Why not the Big Sky?

Team to team?

MSU has shown they aren't what people think they are. EWU could be legit, I don't trust CP.....after that there is a huge drop.

Agree....I'm not exactly sold on Youngstown and Ill. State, either. Who does that leave in the MVFC? South Dakota State? Who have they beaten?

I'll grant YSU an off week. That's allowed when you're playing the #1 team in the country on most people's polls (including that dummy SH's). Sure I would have liked to have seen YSU win. But we'll just see how well they can rebound next week. That'll be the true sign that they've arrived. Do they take the beatdown like men and continue to march, or do they up and quit? My guess is the former....

Is a frog's asshole watertight? Yes, the MVFC is overrated in 2012. Next topic, please.

rkwittem wrote:Is a frog's asshole watertight? Yes, the MVFC is overrated in 2012. Next topic, please.

I'm sure you'll have Indiana State beating the Bison at home.

How did your Youngstown/Bison prediction turn out?

NDSU will win the national title again this year, there is little doubt in my mind.

YSU is still one of the better teams in the country this year. When playing really good teams, anybody is capable of getting blown out. I wouldn't read too terribly much into their loss at NDSU today. Shit happens sometimes. And UNI, despite their record because of the difficult schedule, is a very good team as well. Illinois State is a top 15-20 type team, and SDSU, Ind St, and SIU are all pretty good teams as well.

Thats a good, tough conference. No way you can say it is overrated at this point.

DJH wrote:NDSU will win the national title again this year, there is little doubt in my mind.

YSU is still one of the better teams in the country this year. When playing really good teams, anybody is capable of getting blown out. I wouldn't read too terribly much into their loss at NDSU today. **** happens sometimes. And UNI, despite their record because of the difficult schedule, is a very good team as well. Illinois State is a top 15-20 type team, and SDSU, Ind St, and SIU are all pretty good teams as well.

Thats a good, tough conference. No way you can say it is overrated at this point.

I agree.

They all beat the crap out of each other every year.

If UNI runs the table and finishes 7-4 IMO, they are in the playoffs. A lot of season left but I think they run the table.

clenz wrote:

Pwns wrote:
Why not the Big Sky?

Team to team?

MSU has shown they aren't what people think they are. EWU could be legit, I don't trust CP.....after that there is a huge drop.

Playing all games on a neutral field, using current standings

Cal Poly - NDSU - I'll take NDSU
Montana State - SDSU - I'll take SDSU
Northern Arizona - Illinois State - I'll take Illinois State
Eastern Washington - Indiana State - I'll take EWU
Sacramento State - SIU - I'll take SSU
North Dakota - YSU - I'll take YSU
UC Davis - WIU - I'll take WIU
Montana - UNI - I'll take UNI
Southern Utah - USD - I'll take SUU
Idaho State - MSU - I'll take MSU

I'd take USD, WIU, and MSU over the rest of the Big Sky as well

Northern Colorado
Portland State
Weber State

You don't trust Cal Poly? What does that even mean?

clenz wrote:

Pwns wrote:
Why not the Big Sky?

Team to team?

MSU has shown they aren't what people think they are. EWU could be legit, I don't trust CP.....after that there is a huge drop.

Playing all games on a neutral field, using current standings

Cal Poly - NDSU - I'll take NDSU
Montana State - SDSU - I'll take SDSU
Northern Arizona - Illinois State - I'll take Illinois State
Eastern Washington - Indiana State - I'll take EWU
Sacramento State - SIU - I'll take SSU
North Dakota - YSU - I'll take YSU
UC Davis - WIU - I'll take WIU
Montana - UNI - I'll take UNI
Southern Utah - USD - I'll take SUU
Idaho State - MSU - I'll take MSU

I'd take USD, WIU, and MSU over the rest of the Big Sky as well

Northern Colorado
Portland State
Weber State

Come on, man. This is a bit of a stretch. You had me until you had SDSU over MSU. Granted, I don't think MSU is the #2 team in the country, but they are better than SDSU. Luckily we have the playoffs to sort all of this out.

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EWURanger wrote:

clenz wrote:Team to team?

MSU has shown they aren't what people think they are. EWU could be legit, I don't trust CP.....after that there is a huge drop.

Playing all games on a neutral field, using current standings

Cal Poly - NDSU - I'll take NDSU
Montana State - SDSU - I'll take SDSU
Northern Arizona - Illinois State - I'll take Illinois State
Eastern Washington - Indiana State - I'll take EWU
Sacramento State - SIU - I'll take SSU
North Dakota - YSU - I'll take YSU
UC Davis - WIU - I'll take WIU
Montana - UNI - I'll take UNI
Southern Utah - USD - I'll take SUU
Idaho State - MSU - I'll take MSU

I'd take USD, WIU, and MSU over the rest of the Big Sky as well

Northern Colorado
Portland State
Weber State

Come on, man. This is a bit of a stretch. You had me until you had SDSU over MSU. Granted, I don't think MSU is the #2 team in the country, but they are better than SDSU. Luckily we have the playoffs to sort all of this out.

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I might tend to agree with clenz on MSU vs SDSU after today's results. EWU, IMO is better than MSU.

Cue 2506 tantrum following Dobie's remarks in 3...2...1....

Pwns wrote:Youngstown gets obliterated, Illinois State get shut out at home. Were people to quick to dub the MVFC as being totally awesome because of wins over bad FBS teams? No smack intended, just an honest question.

The results of yesterday don't directly inform on that issue because they were conference games and they were just beating each other. To me you have to look at non conference games. Southern Illinois beating Illinois State does say a little bit because Southern Illinois was soundly beaten by Eastern Illinois of the OVC. But then again Illinois State played Eastern Illinois and won.

You could spend a lot of time looking at who beat who and by how much but there's really no reason to because, once Sagarin's ratings are "connected," you'll be looking at the results of a system that does that in a manner more comprehensive than you could ever accomplish qualitatively. As of last week a statement near the end of the explanation at the top of the ratings still read, "The teams are NOT WELL-CONNECTED and so all three ratings are BAYESIAN." When that statement gets replaced by "The teams are now WELL CONNECTED and so all three ratings are UNBIASED" you will know that you're looking at an objective assessment of how everybody's done in terms of who they beat and lost to and by how much. My guess it's still going to suggest that the MVC is the toughest conference in terms of the "average" strength of its teams.

Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

rkwittem wrote:Is a frog's asshole watertight? Yes, the MVFC is overrated in 2012. Next topic, please.

I'm sure you'll have Indiana State beating the Bison at home.

How did your Youngstown/Bison prediction turn out?

I wasn't the only one who was wrong. So sue me. I went with a team that improved over last year's team that beat NDSU to beat a NDSU team that isn't all that much better than last year's team. Rest assured, that was the last loseable game on their schedule, IMO.