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After week 2:

1. North Dakota State (55)
2. Georgia Southern (78)
3. Northern Iowa (81)
4. Youngstown State (84)
5. Eastern Washington (87)
6. James Madison (88)
7. Illinois State (93)
8. Old Dominion (95)
9. Wofford (106)
10. Sam Houston State (109)
11. Lehigh (112)
12. Cal Poly SLO (113)
13. Northern Arizona (114)
14. Delaware (115)
15. Montana (116)
16. Harvard (117)
17. William & Mary (118)
18. Montana State (119)
19. The Citadel (120)
20. Appalachian State (121)
21. Central Arkansas (124)
22. Bethune-Cookman (125)
23. McNeese State (127)
24. Richmond (128)
25. Lafayette (129)

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Interesting that I had 9 of the sagarin top 10 in my top ten, the only difference being App State instead of GSU. Hadn't looked at the Sagarin until tonight (voted late last night).

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Youngstown State Penguins
4: Northern Iowa Panthers
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Georgia Southern Eagles
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Towson Tigers
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Norfolk State Spartans
24: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25: Sacramento State Hornets

Georgia Southern loses to The Citadel and they're # 2....makes total sense

I like Massey's comparison better than Sag on its own.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


1 N Dakota St
2 Old Dominion
3 Illinois St
4 Sam Houston St
5 Youngstown St
6 Northern Iowa
7 Ga Southern
8 Montana
9 James Madison
10 Lehigh
11 Montana St
12 E Washington
13 Harvard
14 Cal Poly SLO
15 Bethune-Cookman
16 Cent Arkansas
17 Appalachian St
18 Wofford
19 Stony Brook
20 New Hampshire
21 Delaware
22 Citadel
23 Samford
24 Albany NY
25 Jacksonville St

So Towson is top ten, loses to a FBS school has a bye and they are out of the top 25?

andy7171 wrote:So Towson is top ten, loses to a FBS school has a bye and they are out of the top 25?

andy7171 wrote:So Towson is top ten, loses to a FBS school has a bye and they are out of the top 25?

W-L counts too much at this point with computer rankings. Or should I say a Loss kills you.

That's the only reason Albany is in the Top 25 and Towson isn't.

danefan wrote:I like Massey's comparison better than Sag on its own.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

13 Harvard

Uhhh, yeah. How does a team that hasn't even played a game find themselves at 13?

danefan wrote:I like Massey's comparison better than Sag on its own.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


1 N Dakota St
2 Old Dominion
3 Illinois St
4 Sam Houston St
5 Youngstown St
6 Northern Iowa
7 Ga Southern
8 Montana
9 James Madison
10 Lehigh
11 Montana St
12 E Washington
13 Harvard
14 Cal Poly SLO
15 Bethune-Cookman
16 Cent Arkansas
17 Appalachian St
18 Wofford
19 Stony Brook
20 New Hampshire
21 Delaware
22 Citadel
23 Samford
24 Albany NY
25 Jacksonville St

This one is screwy also. We lose to App we move up and they drop like a rock???

Eastern is too high in the Massey......................

danefan wrote:I like Massey

Why did you get me started. New to Massey... XWP: Expected Win Percentage. Massey is a FAR bigger joke than our old friend Pete of Pete's Poll.

1 North Dakota State
2 Harvard
3 Sam Houston State
4 Montana
5 Bethune-Cookman
6 Illinois State
7 Youngstown State
8 Lehigh
9 Northern Iowa
10 Stony Brook
11 Old Dominion
12 Georgia Southern
13 Stephen F. Austin
14 Eastern Washington
15 James Madison
16 Albany NY
17 Califonia Poly-SLO
18 Montana State
19 Brown
20 Norfolk State
21 Georgetown DC
22 Towson
23 Dartmouth
24 Southern Utah
25 North Dakota

33 New Hampshire
37 Appalachian State
48 Delaware
55 Weber State
56 Northern Arizona
59 McNeese State

89Hen wrote:

danefan wrote:I like Massey

Why did you get me started. New to Massey... XWP: Expected Win Percentage. Massey is a FAR bigger joke than our old friend Pete of Pete's Poll.

1 North Dakota State
2 Harvard
3 Sam Houston State
4 Montana
5 Bethune-Cookman
6 Illinois State
7 Youngstown State
8 Lehigh
9 Northern Iowa
10 Stony Brook
11 Old Dominion
12 Georgia Southern
13 Stephen F. Austin
14 Eastern Washington
15 James Madison
16 Albany NY
17 Califonia Poly-SLO
18 Montana State
19 Brown
20 Norfolk State
21 Georgetown DC
22 Towson
23 Dartmouth
24 Southern Utah
25 North Dakota

33 New Hampshire
37 Appalachian State
48 Delaware
55 Weber State
56 Northern Arizona
59 McNeese State

Sorry - should have clarified - I don't like any computer rankings. But I certainly like the ones that rank my team higher better than those that don't...

polsongrizz wrote: This one is screwy also. We lose to App we move up and they drop like a rock???

Jeff Sagarin uses a weighted method in the first month that essentially starts with 2011 as a baseline. The teams are not *well-connected* for 2012 until the first 4-5 weeks of the year.

Even though Appalachian won Sat, EZU beat them last Sat, and got curb-stomped by South Carolina, causing the Hillbillies to take a big hit in what little *2012 connections* exist.

danefan wrote: W-L counts too much at this point with computer rankings. Or should I say a Loss kills you.

Georgia Southern lost to an unranked team and they're sittin' pretty at # 2.

polsongrizz wrote:

danefan wrote:I like Massey's comparison better than Sag on its own.

http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


1 N Dakota St
2 Old Dominion
3 Illinois St
4 Sam Houston St
5 Youngstown St
6 Northern Iowa
7 Ga Southern
8 Montana
9 James Madison
10 Lehigh
11 Montana St
12 E Washington
13 Harvard
14 Cal Poly SLO
15 Bethune-Cookman
16 Cent Arkansas
17 Appalachian St
18 Wofford
19 Stony Brook
20 New Hampshire
21 Delaware
22 Citadel
23 Samford
24 Albany NY
25 Jacksonville St

This one is screwy also. We lose to App we move up and they drop like a rock???

and GSU loses to the Citadel an is at #7...