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Seems it may be true.

The rumor about #Griz QB Jordan Johnson is true. He has been expelled from UM. #whatamess

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Wow. That sucks.

Pretty much the cherry on top of this rape scandal sundae.

Obviously I don't know the specifics, but if what I have read about JJ getting drunk, having sex with his ex and then regretting it, only to have her claim rape, sounds like a Duke lacrosse scenario.

IF TRUE, the U, has set themselves up in the court of public opinion to get pounded.

I just cannot imagine Pflugrad saying JJ was of upstanding moral fiber if he didn't know the truth.

if this is true, the griz finish no better than 3rd in the conference.

SeattleGriz wrote:Obviously I don't know the specifics, but if what I have read about JJ getting drunk, having sex with his ex and then regretting it, only to have her claim rape, sounds like a Duke lacrosse scenario.

IF TRUE, the U, has set themselves up in the court of public opinion to get pounded.

I just cannot imagine Pflugrad saying JJ was of upstanding moral fiber if he didn't know the truth.

Unless Plugrad was there he can not know what happened. He can support his player and talk about his character which he did. Either way it is a sad situation. I wish JJ the best and I hope he can put his life back together. I also hope the girl can too, what ever happened.

I don't see how it could happen unless he was found guilty of the charges, or admitted to them to the U. To be expelled after only being accused is crap.

Vidav wrote:I don't see how it could happen unless he was found guilty of the charges, or admitted to them to the U. To be expelled after only being accused is crap.

Yes. Unless the allegations are proven true, then I don't see how he could be legally expelled.

For this to happen on top of losing Nate Montana does not bode well for next season....

SeattleGriz wrote:Obviously I don't know the specifics, but if what I have read about JJ getting drunk, having sex with his ex and then regretting it, only to have her claim rape, sounds like a Duke lacrosse scenario.

IF TRUE, the U, has set themselves up in the court of public opinion to get pounded.

If he's not guilty the U has more to lose than public opinion. I could see a multi million dollar suit against the U, what school is going to admit an expelled, alleged rapist? Who would hire him, could he have had a shot for a pro contract (CFL or other), could he have lost millions in potential earnings? All sorts of scenarios for a suit.....assuming he is found not guilty.


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Even without Johnson, the Griz can and proabably will, win the conference. Go ahead and argue that all you want. I don't give a fuck, facts are facts.

And FWIW, Engstrom is a POS.

Willie wrote:Even without Johnson, the Griz can and proabably will, win the conference. Go ahead and argue that all you want. I don't give a ****, facts are facts.

And FWIW, Engstrom is a POS.

They may very well win the conference, but it is no way a fact.

What is a FACT here is that the Griz take a major hit here on the heels of losing Nate Montana. Say what you will abut relative capabilities, losing TWO quarterbacks at nearly the same time will hurt.

Whether or not the Griz win the league title this year remains to be seen. They are ALWAYS competitive, though, and will at least be in the hunt. But even without this, there are SEVERAL teams that will have a say in things.

SloStang wrote:

Willie wrote:Even without Johnson, the Griz can and proabably will, win the conference. Go ahead and argue that all you want. I don't give a ****, facts are facts.

And FWIW, Engstrom is a POS.

They may very well win the conference, but it is no way a fact.

Remind me again how many we've won recently. Better yet, name when we haven't won the conference recently.

Those are the facts I'm referring to. Deal with it.

Two years ago when MSU and Eastern shared the title. Short term memory loss Willie?

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Willie wrote:

SloStang wrote: They may very well win the conference, but it is no way a fact.

Remind me again how many we've won recently. Better yet, name when we haven't won the conference recently.

Those are the facts I'm referring to. Deal with it.

Fact #1: New head coach.
Fact #2: New OC.
Fact #3: New DC.
Fact #4: New O-line coach.
Fact #5: New QB.
Fact #6: 9 new starters on D.
Fact #7: 6 new starters on O.
Fact #8: University under federal investigation.

Those are also facts. Deal with them.

gocats wrote:Two years ago when MSU and Eastern shared the title. Short term memory loss Willie?

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You obviously failed to see my logic. It's MUCH easier to name the year we haven't won recently versus the years we've won. After about 10, most lose count.

SloStang wrote:Fact #1: New head coach.
Fact #2: New OC.
Fact #3: New DC.
Fact #4: New O-line coach.
Fact #5: New QB.
Fact #6: 9 new starters on D.
Fact #7: 6 new starters on O.
Fact #8: University under federal investigation.

Those are also facts. Deal with them.

Jeez, one win last season against us and you get all butthurt in a topic that has nothing to do with Suck State. Must be a rough life.

Willie wrote:

gocats wrote:Two years ago when MSU and Eastern shared the title. Short term memory loss Willie?

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You obviously failed to see my logic. It's MUCH easier to name the year we haven't won recently versus the years we've won. After about 10, most lose count.

SloStang wrote:Fact #1: New head coach.
Fact #2: New OC.
Fact #3: New DC.
Fact #4: New O-line coach.
Fact #5: New QB.
Fact #6: 9 new starters on D.
Fact #7: 6 new starters on O.
Fact #8: University under federal investigation.

Those are also facts. Deal with them.

Jeez, one win last season against us and you get all butthurt in a topic that has nothing to do with Suck State. Must be a rough life.

First off I am a Cal Poly fan. Second, I am not butt hurt. Third, I was not saying that UM will not win it, I am just saying it is not a fact that they will. UM has a lot of hurdles this year that they usually do not have. If they do win it I'll the first to congratulate them.

Willie wrote:

SloStang wrote: They may very well win the conference, but it is no way a fact.

Remind me again how many we've won recently. Better yet, name when we haven't won the conference recently.

Those are the facts I'm referring to. Deal with it.

While disregarding the facts that the Griz didn't lose their AD, head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, majority of their starters on defense and their starting QB in those years. Past success does not guarantee future results. Oh, and 2010.

Willie wrote:

gocats wrote:Two years ago when MSU and Eastern shared the title. Short term memory loss Willie?

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You obviously failed to see my logic. It's MUCH easier to name the year we haven't won recently versus the years we've won. After about 10, most lose count.

SloStang wrote:Fact #1: New head coach.
Fact #2: New OC.
Fact #3: New DC.
Fact #4: New O-line coach.
Fact #5: New QB.
Fact #6: 9 new starters on D.
Fact #7: 6 new starters on O.
Fact #8: University under federal investigation.

Those are also facts. Deal with them.

Jeez, one win last season against us and you get all butthurt in a topic that has nothing to do with Suck State. Must be a rough life.

Your logic is pretty flawed Willie, because your logic assumes that it's a normal year. It's far from it. In 2010, you had lost a fair amount of starters and a new HC. It affected them. This year, the Griz have lost a whole lot more. I understand you're angry and the situation does suck, but no need for blind arrogance.

Calm down Willie, you are acting like the girl said no or something.


To soon?

grzfnz is correct.

UM is pandering to the "didn't do enough" crowd that is destroying Penn State right now. An immediate firing/expulsion (depending on the status of the suspect) satisfies the media binge. The problem is the ramifications of such an action when the dismissed person is proven innocent. (See Syracuse.) The result can be a massive wrongful termination/expulsion suit, not to mention the loss of (in THIS case) the guy's tuition and fees.

So, if he ends up proven guilty, UM will look like geniuses. But if he's acquitted, well, the risk is too much, IMO. In my view, you suspend the kid pending resolution of the court case, and then take appropriate action, which in this case (given his history) would be expulsion if guilty and reinstatement if acquitted.

To me, that's the ONLY way to handle it. Despite the press from the "didn't do enough" crowd, to do otherwise (what UM did in this case or to just wait and hope it goes away) is to take an unwarranted financial and PR risk.

Willie wrote:Even without Johnson, the Griz can and proabably will, win the conference. Go ahead and argue that all you want. I don't give a fuck, facts are facts.

And FWIW, Engstrom is a POS.

The Griz certainly could still win the conference, but it's much tougher now. Jordan Johnson was UM's best returning offensive player & now they suddenly have big questions at QB—there's Gerald Kemp, who's a bit one-dimensional, and there's a couple guys who've hardly played at all. Given how much Montana lost on defense, they'll need to be able to score early in the year.

Odd that there's been no official media confirmation of this story, yet, though. Being expelled is a totally unsatisfying conclusion for this event no matter the circumstances. If JJ didn't rape anyone, then he got a much harsher punishment than he deserved. If he did rape someone, then he's getting off much lighter than he deserves (I figure if he was going to be charged, he already would've been).

Everyone's making the assumption he was expelled because of the rape allegation. Things might be going to hell in Missoula, but you really think there are that many stupid people at that institute of higher education that would open themselves, the university and the state up to such liability? You have to assume - and most people will never know the full story - that there were other factors involved in his expulsion. Could they have had something to do with the rape allegation? Could be. Maybe he lied, covered up, etc when questioned about it. Maybe he's a liar and cheat in school. Maybe he forgot to go to classes last semester. I don't know, and neither do you. But its almost assuredly not solely based on the rape allegation.

kittiekop wrote:Everyone's making the assumption he was expelled because of the rape allegation. Things might be going to hell in Missoula, but you really think there are that many stupid people at that institute of higher education that would open themselves, the university and the state up to such liability? You have to assume - and most people will never know the full story - that there were other factors involved in his expulsion. Could they have had something to do with the rape allegation? Could be. Maybe he lied, covered up, etc when questioned about it. Maybe he's a liar and cheat in school. Maybe he forgot to go to classes last semester. I don't know, and neither do you. But its almost assuredly not solely based on the rape allegation.

This is what I'm hoping is the case, because the alternative is much stupider & has much worse consequences. Still, people in authority that aren't used to feeling big public pressure often do moronic things when it hits them.

I doubt it would be something academic, though. I figure a rumor to that effect would have cropped up on eGriz. I mean, every rumor—no matter how insane—shows up on eGriz.

kittiekop wrote:Everyone's making the assumption he was expelled because of the rape allegation. Things might be going to hell in Missoula, but you really think there are that many stupid people at that institute of higher education that would open themselves, the university and the state up to such liability? You have to assume - and most people will never know the full story - that there were other factors involved in his expulsion. Could they have had something to do with the rape allegation? Could be. Maybe he lied, covered up, etc when questioned about it. Maybe he's a liar and cheat in school. Maybe he forgot to go to classes last semester. I don't know, and neither do you. But its almost assuredly not solely based on the rape allegation.

While I can appreciate your efforts to give the U some credit, from what I have been reading on eGriz, and that doesn't mean crap, but it is the only information I can gather, the U IS going full knee jerk on this.

The institute of higher education, and my alma matter is packed to the gills with self hating liberals. The U is going to regret this in my opinion. I believe Engstrom is going to look very bad when this is all said and done.

*Disclaimer* I have no inside information and my opinion is solely that, an opinion.