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Surprised this hasn't been posted yet or did I miss it? Either way, this dumb azz is lucky he wasn't down the road a few miles in Spokane. Those cops would have shot him in a heartbeat just like the Preacher, Pregnant lady, the Mentally Challenged guy and so many others.

CHENEY, Wash, -

An Eastern Washington University student was arrested early Friday morning after he pulled a gun on Cheney police officers early Friday morning.

Officers say they were called to the Eagle's Pub at 1:19 a.m. on a report of a fight where a suspect had reportedly brandished a pistol. When they arrived they found a man outside urinating on the wall. When police told the man to stop, 21-year-old Chandler Gayton turned around, faced the officers and allegedly pulled a loaded 9mm handgun gun out of his pocket.

The police drew their weapons at the same time. Police say Gayton held the pistol in the ready position but did not point the barrel of the gun at them.

"They immediately identified themselves as police and and told him to freeze and the gun still came out of his waistband and they told him to drop the gun, drop the gun several times," Cheney Police Chief John Hensley said.

May 11th, 2012 5:44 pm

An Eastern Washington University student was arrested early Friday morning after he pulled a gun on Cheney police officers early Friday morning. KXLY4's Jeff Humphrey and KXLY4 Sports Director Ben Kaplan report.
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Officers were able to use voice commands to order Gayton, who was intoxicated, to drop the gun and lay down on the ground.

"He then held the gun in what we call a 'low ready' in two hands pointed at the ground and at this point the officers had already drawn their weapons and got him to comply with their demands," Chief Hensley said.

http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/- ... index.html

Looks like you still have your finger on the "pulse" of things, pols!

Grizo406 wrote:Looks like you still have your finger on the "pulse" of things, pols!

I have to keep up just so all of the hand wringing and worrying by the Tampon supporters over us is justified...

The Police video...

http://www.kxly.com/interactive/local-v ... ml?v=30222

Life's hard when you're stupid...


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Absolutely, my friend!

polsongrizz wrote:Surprised this hasn't been posted yet or did I miss it?

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Dumbass made a dumb decision, and lucky he didn't pay for it with his life. The funny thing is, over on eGriz, instead of an excuse to get away all the negative things happening over in Grizland and bashing EWU, it turned into more Griz bashing because unlike Pflu, Baldwin acted swiftly... gave 'em the boot as soon as he heard about it. Beau runs a tight ship.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

polsongrizz wrote:Surprised this hasn't been posted yet or did I miss it?

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Dumbass made a dumb decision, and lucky he didn't pay for it with his life. The funny thing is, over on eGriz, instead of an excuse to get away all the negative things happening over in Grizland and bashing EWU, it turned into more Griz bashing because unlike Pflu, Baldwin acted swiftly... gave 'em the boot as soon as he heard about it. Beau runs a tight ship.

Here comes the sanctimony parade again…

This situation is a bit different than the stuff that's (allegedly) gone on at UM. Griz players have been accused of things that fall under the murky, "he said, she said," area of possible illegality—none of us have any idea what exactly happened & possibly never will. This Gayton incident involves a guy who pulled out a gun in front of cops in the middle of the city. It's a bit difficult to get away with something like that or claim you didn't do it—an open & shut case most likely.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
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Dumbass made a dumb decision, and lucky he didn't pay for it with his life. The funny thing is, over on eGriz, instead of an excuse to get away all the negative things happening over in Grizland and bashing EWU, it turned into more Griz bashing because unlike Pflu, Baldwin acted swiftly... gave 'em the boot as soon as he heard about it. Beau runs a tight ship.

Here comes the sanctimony parade again…

This situation is a bit different than the stuff that's (allegedly) gone on at UM. Griz players have been accused of things that fall under the murky, "he said, she said," area of possible illegality—none of us have any idea what exactly happened & possibly never will. This Gayton incident involves a guy who pulled out a gun in front of cops in the middle of the city. It's a bit difficult to get away with something like that or claim you didn't do it—an open & shut case most likely.

I didn't realize that Donaldson only "allegedly" raped a girl, and that Tru and Kemp only "allegedly" got tazed.

I would be HIGHLY surprised if Baldwin wouldn't immediately dispatch any player for being involved in incidents like those that have happened at UM. Accountability, discipline, and team-first mentality are the primary principles that he stresses to his players.

Lastly, regardless if the rape accusations against JJ have merit or not, with all of the DUIs, sexual assault allegations and other assorted mischief that has involved Griz players over the last two years, I think it's pretty safe to say that there is(or now was) an issue over at UM regarding accountability, discipline, and putting the team first.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:I didn't realize that Donaldson only "allegedly" raped a girl, and that Tru and Kemp only "allegedly" got tazed.

And Donaldson was kicked off the team immediately following his arrest, so I don't know why you're bringing that up.

And the tazer incident is hardly something that should result in a player getting kicked off the team or even close, especially given that the police handled that situation as badly—if not worse—than Kemp & Johnson did.

I would be HIGHLY surprised if Baldwin wouldn't immediately dispatch any player for being involved in incidents like those that have happened at UM. Accountability, discipline, and team-first mentality are the primary principles that he stresses to his players.

Isn't that what every coach says, though? I'm not saying it isn't true in his case, necessarily, but that sentence is the epitome of meaningless, canned clichéd coach-speak.

Who knows what Pflugrad would have done with players that were guilty of serious crimes (aside from the above Donaldson incident), but you have to reasonably believe they're guilty before you boot them from the team or whatever. To not at least give them a fair shake indicates to me that a coach is far more interested in avoiding bad PR than actually teaching his players any "life lessons." Not to mention the lawsuit that invites if the coach is wrong…

Mvemjsunpx wrote: And Donaldson was kicked off the team immediately following his arrest, so I don't know why you're bringing that up.

My bad, I thought he was just suspended, at least initially.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:Isn't that what every coach says, though? I'm not saying it isn't true in his case, necessarily, but that sentence is the epitome of meaningless, canned clichéd coach-speak.

Who knows what Pflugrad would have done with players that were guilty of serious crimes (aside from the above Donaldson incident), but you have to reasonably believe they're guilty before you boot them from the team or whatever. To not at least give them a fair shake indicates to me that a coach is far more interested in avoiding bad PR than actually teaching his players any "life lessons." Not to mention the lawsuit that invites if the coach is wrong…

It's not so much that Baldwin said that directly, it's that he mentions those things all the time and from having listened to him talk to and coach players, address the media and such since he became HC in 2008, it's pretty easy to see that those are the qualities he not only teaches, but exemplifies. Also evidenced by a serious lack of incidents like those that have happened at UM (outside of the one bad apple in Gayton). My thinking on the issue though is that it doesn't really matter if they're innocent or guilty... that's for the justice system to decide. Playing football on scholarship is a privilege, and kids who put themselves (and therefore the team and university) in those types of situations, aren't too disciplined, nor are they putting the team first. Those aren't the type of kids you want playing for you, and other players learning from.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:It's not so much that Baldwin said that directly, it's that he mentions those things all the time and from having listened to him talk to and coach players, address the media and such since he became HC in 2008, it's pretty easy to see that those are the qualities he not only teaches, but exemplifies. Also evidenced by a serious lack of incidents like those that have happened at UM (outside of the one bad apple in Gayton). My thinking on the issue though is that it doesn't really matter if they're innocent or guilty... that's for the justice system to decide. Playing football on scholarship is a privilege, and kids who put themselves (and therefore the team and university) in those types of situations, aren't too disciplined, nor are they putting the team first. Those aren't the type of kids you want playing for you, and other players learning from.

Seriously? So if a player doesn't do something wrong but simply gets accused of doing something wrong that justifies kicking them off the team?

My point is that a coach needs to have a reasonable belief that a player is guilty of something serious before he throws the book at them. And my previous point was that this Gayton case is one where we see exactly that: he did something massively stupid & deserved a harsh punishment (at least a year-long suspension, IMO). The issues with the Griz—aside from the Donaldson arrest—aren't nearly that clear-cut, though.

I don't like this current notion among sports fans that harsher discipline = better discipline. Fairness is a lot more important than harshness, particularly when you're talking about young people. To crack down harshly on everything by giving disproportionate or premature punishments says to me, "I'm willing to sell out my players to make myself look better," & it teaches them nothing besides how to be a cutthroat. Now, I don't actually believe Baldwin runs his ship in that draconian a fashion (though I suspect Rob Ash might, given the Roger Trammell incident), but I see going further down that road as something to avoid.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:It's not so much that Baldwin said that directly, it's that he mentions those things all the time and from having listened to him talk to and coach players, address the media and such since he became HC in 2008, it's pretty easy to see that those are the qualities he not only teaches, but exemplifies. Also evidenced by a serious lack of incidents like those that have happened at UM (outside of the one bad apple in Gayton). My thinking on the issue though is that it doesn't really matter if they're innocent or guilty... that's for the justice system to decide. Playing football on scholarship is a privilege, and kids who put themselves (and therefore the team and university) in those types of situations, aren't too disciplined, nor are they putting the team first. Those aren't the type of kids you want playing for you, and other players learning from.

Seriously? So if a player doesn't do something wrong but simply gets accused of doing something wrong that justifies kicking them off the team?

My point is that a coach needs to have a reasonable belief that a player is guilty of something serious before he throws the book at them. And my previous point was that this Gayton case is one where we see exactly that: he did something massively stupid & deserved a harsh punishment (at least a year-long suspension, IMO). The issues with the Griz—aside from the Donaldson arrest—aren't nearly that clear-cut, though.

I don't like this current notion among sports fans that harsher discipline = better discipline. Fairness is a lot more important than harshness, particularly when you're talking about young people. To crack down harshly on everything by giving disproportionate or premature punishments says to me, "I'm willing to sell out my players to make myself look better," & it teaches them nothing besides how to be a cutthroat. Now, I don't actually believe Baldwin runs his ship in that draconian a fashion (though I suspect Rob Ash might, given the Roger Trammell incident), but I see going further down that road as something to avoid.

Agreed. A suspension pending legal system resolution of the case is one thing. But to go off half-cocked and kick a guy out? What happens if the guy is acquitted? The coach/AD and the school look like fools at a minimum and risk a massive suit at worst. The expenditure of millions in a judgment against the school because they acted a bit too hastily for the sake of some short-term PR isn't the best idea in the world....

Mvemjsunpx wrote:[ Now, I don't actually believe Baldwin runs his ship in that draconian a fashion (though I suspect Rob Ash might, given the Roger Trammell incident), but I see going further down that road as something to avoid.

Just a couple things about that. That was Fields decision. Ash did not want him kicked off but wanted Trammell suspended pending the final court decision of possible self defense. IMO, Ash has been very fair in all his disciplinary actions. Also, Trammell still could be reinstated given the outcome of his case.

Catattack wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:[ Now, I don't actually believe Baldwin runs his ship in that draconian a fashion (though I suspect Rob Ash might, given the Roger Trammell incident), but I see going further down that road as something to avoid.

Just a couple things about that. That was Fields decision. Ash did not want him kicked off but wanted Trammell suspended pending the final court decision of possible self defense. IMO, Ash has been very fair in all his disciplinary actions. Also, Trammell still could be reinstated given the outcome of his case.

OK, fair enough. I read the BobcatNation threads on the matter & there seemed to be a dispute over who actually decided what.

When I saw the title of the thread, my first thought was SE174....

Ivytalk wrote:When I saw the title of the thread, my first thought was SE174....

Really? Mine was Blackfalkin.

Ivytalk wrote:When I saw the title of the thread, my first thought was SE174....

Yeah, I'd probably be the last person to ever pull a gun on police.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:When I saw the title of the thread, my first thought was SE174....

Yeah, I'd probably be the last person to ever pull a gun on police.

But the first to be pissing outside of a bar in Cheney...

Grizalltheway wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Yeah, I'd probably be the last person to ever pull a gun on police.

But the first to be pissing outside of a bar in Cheney...