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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Libertine wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

If you want to establish a minor league system that the National Football League pays for—which they should, given that they are the greatest beneficiaries of college football—that is fine.

Ibanez wrote:

Libertine wrote:
The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

CID1990 wrote:

Ibanez wrote:
I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

But that's all a clempson degree is good for.


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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

BigSkyBears wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

Ibanez wrote:

Libertine wrote:
The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

BigSkyBears wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

Cluck U wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't we have more people than ever graduating from colleges and universities?

Furthermore, educational attainment rates have been climbing for quite some time....so why don't people seem smarter? Frankly, it is shocking when you see some of today's "graduates" speak...and even more shocking when you see them try to work through a problem.

And just how many college degrees does a janitor need?

One of Bissinger's points particularly stood out, and it both energized the audience and rendered his opponents all but powerless to rebut it. He argued, essentially, that we put an end to the increasingly tortured efforts to reconcile the larger missions of universities with what it takes for those universities to field successful football teams, by officially recognizing that the two are not reconcilable. He proposed that major college football programs that are already, in practice, run parallel to their universities -- out of their own increasingly grand departments and facilities -- formally split off into their own entities while retaining a tie to, and even the name of, the school from which they originated. "Create a de facto subsidiary," Bissinger proposed. "The university gets a licensing fee."

Grizalltheway wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

BigSkyBears wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote: Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

Do you even have a college degree?

bonarae wrote:I think the author has seen enough of the problems that plague FBS football. Interesting discussion though. But he doesn't mention at all the sustainable football programs at the FCS, D-II and D-III levels or other sports as well.

BigSkyBears wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote: Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

Do you even have a college degree?

Grizalltheway wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:
Do you even have a college degree?

Yes. Now, did you have a chance to compare how our respective schools rank academically, or are you going to continue to make claims not at all based on reality?