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• Best Rushing Offense (preseason) - Portland St.
  Best Rushing Offense (reality) - Portland St.
  
  Worst Rushing Offense (preseason) - Northern Colorado
  Worst Rushing Offense (reality) - Idaho St.
  
  
  Best Passing Offense (preaseason) - Montana St.
  Best Passing Offense (reality) - Eastern Washington
  
  Worst Passing Offense (preseason) - Portland St.
  Worst Passing Offense (reality) - Sacramento St.
  
  
  Best Overall Offense (preseason) - Montana St.
  Best Overall Offense (reality) - Montana St.
  
  Worst Overall Offense (preseason) - Idaho St.
  Worst Overall Offense (reality) - Idaho St.
  
  
  Best Run Defense (preaseason) - Montana
  Best Run Defense (reality) - Montana
  
  Worst Run Defense (preseason) - Portland St.
  Worst Run Defense (reality) - Idaho St.
  
  
  Best Pass Defense (preseason) - Montana
  Best Pass Defense (reality) - Montana
  
  Worst Pass Defense (preseason) - Idaho St.
  Worst Pass Defense (reality) - Northern Colorado
  
  
  Best Overall Defense (preseason) - Montana
  Best Overall Defense (reality) - Montana
  
  Worst Overall Defense (preseason) - Portland St.
  Worst Overall Defense (reality) - Idaho St.
  
  
  Best Special Teams (preseason) - Idaho St.
  Best Special Teams (reality) - Weber St.
  
  Worst Special Teams (preseason) - Eastern Washington
  Worst Special Teams (reality) - Sacramento St.
  
  
  
  Best Quarterback (preseason) - Denarius McGhee (MSU)
  Best Quarterback (reality) - Bo Levi Mitchell (EWU)
  
  Best Running Back (preseason) - Cory McCaffrey (PSU)
  Best Running Back (reality) - Zach Bauman (NAU)
  
  Best Wide Receiver (preseason) - Brandon Kaufman (EWU)
  Best Wide Receiver (reality) - Rodrick Rumble (ISU)
  
  Best Tight End (preseason) - Kavario Middleton (UMT)
  Best Tight End (reality) - Josh Hill (ISU)
  
  Best WR/TE Corps (preseason) - Eastern Washington
  Best WR/TE Corps (reality) - Eastern Washington
  
  Best Offensive Lineman (preseason) - J.C. Oram (WEB)
  Best Offensive Lineman (reality) - Jon Opperud (UMT)
  
  Best Offensive Line (preseason) - Weber St.
  Best Offensive Line (reality) - Montana
  
  
  Best Defensive Lineman (preseason) - Zack Nash (SAC)
  Best Defensive Lineman (reality) - Zack Nash (SAC)
  
  Best Defensive Line (preseason) - Montana
  Best Defensive Line (reality) - Montana St.
  
  Best Linebacker (preseason) - A.J. Storms (ISU)
  Best Linebacker (reality) - Clarence Bumpas (UNC)
  
  Best LB Corps (preseason) - Montana
  Best LB Corps (reality) - Montana
  
  Best Defensive Back (preseason) - Trumaine Johnson (UMT)
  Best Defensive Back (reality) - Trumaine Johnson (UMT)
  
  Best Secondary (preseason) - Montana
  Best Secondary (reality) - Montana
  
  
  Best Kicker (preseason) - Jason Cunningham (MSU)
  Best Kicker (reality) - Zach Brown (PSU)
  
  Best Punter (preseason) - David Harrington (ISU)
  Best Punter (reality) - David Harrington (ISU)
  
  Best Ret. Specialist (preseason) - Tavoy Moore (ISU)
  Best Ret. Specialist (reality) - Jabin Sambrano (UMT)
  
  Best Return Team (preseason) - Idaho St.
  Best Return Team (reality) - Northern Arizona
  
  Best Cover Teams (preseason) - (none)
  Best Cover Teams (reality) - Weber St.
  
  
  Best Coaching Job (preseason) - (none)
  Best Coaching Job (reality) - Robin Pflugrad (UMT)

How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

Bump is the best LB in the conference, just look at the stats. He lead the conference in tackles and was 5th in the nation. How he didn't make 1st team all-conference is bull-shit. The conference hates UNC.

Your guy is POY because he was the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the conference. Individually Bump is better though. Big Sky will have two more years of seeing number 56 for UNC.

BigSkyBears wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

Bump is the best LB in the conference, just look at the stats. He lead the conference in tackles and was 5th in the nation. How he didn't make 1st team all-conference is bull-shit. The conference hates UNC.

Your guy is POY because he was the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the conference. Individually Bump is better though. Big Sky will have two more years of seeing number 56 for UNC.

Good thing #56's talent is more or less canceled out by all the suckitude around him.

Grizalltheway wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:
Bump is the best LB in the conference, just look at the stats. He lead the conference in tackles and was 5th in the nation. How he didn't make 1st team all-conference is bull-shit. The conference hates UNC.

Your guy is POY because he was the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the conference. Individually Bump is better though. Big Sky will have two more years of seeing number 56 for UNC.

Good thing #56's talent is more or less canceled out by all the suckitude around him.

Lots of young talent in Greeley and Bump is just one of them.

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jcu27 wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

Same reason McKnight didn't even get all-conference.

Stepping out of my usual objectivity and speaking as a Portland State fan, I think you need to put a asterisk on the best running back. McCaffrey was on his way to truly an outstanding year before his injury at Montana. At the halfway point, that was the only thing that was going to slow him up.

JALMOND wrote:Stepping out of my usual objectivity and speaking as a Portland State fan, I think you need to put a asterisk on the best running back. McCaffrey was on his way to truly an outstanding year before his injury at Montana. At the halfway point, that was the only thing that was going to slow him up.

Unfortunate as that was, injuries are part of the game.

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

I agree with McSurdy being defensive MVP, but that was about more than just playing the linebacker position. It was a tough call, but I guess you could argue defensive leadership is about more than the specific position the guy plays. I suppose I was kind of going by precedent: MVP awards tend to have leadership as a major factor, but individual position awards/Pro Bowl/etc. don't as much.

Bumpas definitely had the best stats, & NoCo's run defense was actually pretty solid (second behind Montana in ypc, despite a suspect D-Line).

JALMOND wrote:Stepping out of my usual objectivity and speaking as a Portland State fan, I think you need to put a asterisk on the best running back. McCaffrey was on his way to truly an outstanding year before his injury at Montana. At the halfway point, that was the only thing that was going to slow him up.

McCaffrey was the best on a per game basis, but he only played 5 games. That just wasn't enough…

Bauman also had a monster year despite an iffy O-Line.

jcu27 wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

Yeah, I know. Greeley sucks.

Mvemjsunpx wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

I agree with McSurdy being defensive MVP, but that was about more than just playing the linebacker position. It was a tough call, but I guess you could argue defensive leadership is about more than the specific position the guy plays. I suppose I was kind of going by precedent: MVP awards tend to have leadership as a major factor, but individual position awards/Pro Bowl/etc. don't as much.

Bumpas definitely had the best stats, & NoCo's run defense was actually pretty solid (second behind Montana in ypc, despite a suspect D-Line).

It's still unbelievable how Bump did NOT make 1st all-conference. Well, it is believable because the Big Sky hates UNC.

BigSkyBears wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
I agree with McSurdy being defensive MVP, but that was about more than just playing the linebacker position. It was a tough call, but I guess you could argue defensive leadership is about more than the specific position the guy plays. I suppose I was kind of going by precedent: MVP awards tend to have leadership as a major factor, but individual position awards/Pro Bowl/etc. don't as much.

Bumpas definitely had the best stats, & NoCo's run defense was actually pretty solid (second behind Montana in ypc, despite a suspect D-Line).

It's still unbelievable how Bump did NOT make 1st all-conference. Well, it is believable because the Big Sky hates UNC.

If the Big Sky Conference really hated UNC they would kick them out. Grow up and quit being a big baby. Go buy a bottle and refrain from putting a nipple on it and drink like a man. All you ever do is bitch and bitch. Hope one of these days your balls will drop. Jebus you are a whiney little gremlin that won't man up.

BigSkyBears wrote:

Mvemjsunpx wrote:
I agree with McSurdy being defensive MVP, but that was about more than just playing the linebacker position. It was a tough call, but I guess you could argue defensive leadership is about more than the specific position the guy plays. I suppose I was kind of going by precedent: MVP awards tend to have leadership as a major factor, but individual position awards/Pro Bowl/etc. don't as much.

Bumpas definitely had the best stats, & NoCo's run defense was actually pretty solid (second behind Montana in ypc, despite a suspect D-Line).

It's still unbelievable how Bump did NOT make 1st all-conference. Well, it is believable because the Big Sky hates UNC.

Yeah, they hate you so much that they decided to let you into the conference, when they had no obligation to do so. Why is Big Sky in your goddamn name if you hate it?

Grizalltheway wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:
It's still unbelievable how Bump did NOT make 1st all-conference. Well, it is believable because the Big Sky hates UNC.

Yeah, they hate you so much that they decided to let you into the conference, when they had no obligation to do so. Why is Big Sky in your goddamn name if you hate it?

He is just in it for the booze. Freeloader.

grizzaholic wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote: Yeah, they hate you so much that they decided to let you into the conference, when they had no obligation to do so. Why is Big Sky in your goddamn name if you hate it?

He is just in it for the booze. Freeloader.

What is it with your posts about me and why do they always have something to do with alcohol? I seriously don't get it.

BigSkyBears wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
He is just in it for the booze. Freeloader.

What is it with your posts about me and why do they always have something to do with alcohol? I seriously don't get it.

Aren't you the one that bitches about folks drinking?

grizzaholic wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:
What is it with your posts about me and why do they always have something to do with alcohol? I seriously don't get it.

Aren't you the one that bitches about folks drinking?

You can go and look back at my 800 - some posts and find nothing of the sort. I drink all the time. I just downed a nice Stone IPA. You're weird.

BigSkyBears wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
Aren't you the one that bitches about folks drinking?

You can go and look back at my 800 - some posts and find nothing of the sort. I drink all the time. I just downed a nice Stone IPA. You're weird.

I have you confused with another UNC fan. Please take my most sincere apology.

Willie wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

Same reason McKnight didn't even get all-conference.

Based on the years Brown for PSU and Cunningham for MSU had, I think the conference got that right.

JALMOND wrote:

Willie wrote: Same reason McKnight didn't even get all-conference.

Based on the years Brown for PSU and Cunningham for MSU had, I think the conference got that right.

McKnight ended up with better stats than Cunningham.

You could also argue Mike Jarrett for second team, though his leg strength wasn't as good (no 50+ attempts).

BigSkyBears wrote:

Grizalltheway wrote:How does McSurdy win defensive POY without even being the best at his position?

Bump is the best LB in the conference, just look at the stats. He lead the conference in tackles and was 5th in the nation. How he didn't make 1st team all-conference is bull-shit. The conference hates UNC.

Your guy is POY because he was the best defensive player on the best defensive team in the conference. Individually Bump is better though. Big Sky will have two more years of seeing number 56 for UNC.

These things happen... ISU fans love to talk about how Jared Allen didn't receive the Big Sky defensive POY award but won the Buchanan award for best defensive player in FCS.

It's been commonly repeated that ISU HC Larry Lewis wasn't well liked within the conference and Mike Kramer was good friends with both Grabeal and Wulff... thus, leading to the snub. However, there's no doubt, Kane Ioane was a decent enough player.

BigSkyBears wrote:

jcu27 wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

Yeah, I know. Greeley sucks.

I worked for a week at KGRE. I liked the city, but got did not like the backroom politicing and backstabbing that was going on there. Is KGRE still up and running?