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ODUalum11 wrote: who the hell is St. Francis?! They sound like a D-2 team.

TribeFanInNC wrote:

ODUalum11 wrote: who the hell is St. Francis?! They sound like a D-2 team.

They are in the NEC.

BDKJMU wrote: URI 2-6/1-4. Eliminated. Remaining games: W&M, @ JMU, Towson.

UR 3-5/0-5. Eliminated. Remaining games: @ ODU, @ UD, W&M.

Villanova 1-8/0-6. Eliminated. Remaining games: @ UMass, bye, UD.

BDKJMU wrote:James Madison @ New Hampshire 20-14. JMU OL has been decimated. We're f*cked unless the defense/special teams can finally score a non offensive TD.
Towson @ Maine by a TD or less.
William & Mary @ Rhode Island by a TD or less
Richmond @ Old Dominion by 1-2 TDs. If Corp couldn't light up the porous UMass secondary, guess he won't light up ODU's. ODU will probably have a post JMU win letdown and not beat UR as badly as they should, but will clinch a playoff spot with this win.
Villanova @ Massachusetts by 3-4 TDs.

BDKJMU wrote: ODU 7-2/4-2. Likely needs to win 1 of last 2 since didn't play a I-A.

∞∞∞ wrote:

TribeFanInNC wrote:
They are in the NEC.

The St. Francis team GSU is playin' is actually an NAIA program hailin' from the Mid-States Football Association.

CAA Flagship wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: ODU 7-2/4-2. Likely needs to win 1 of last 2 since didn't play a I-A.

Whoa. I see what you did there, but I'm not sure why.
Are you saying that playing a 1-A (and losing) is essentially reducing your schedule to 10 games where a 7-3 record against FCS teams is better than a 7-4 record against FCS teams?

Much like the argument that UD has, if ODU loses it's last 2 games, it will be interesting to see who will beat them out for a playoff spot. It may be very difficult to find anyone.

CAA Flagship wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: ODU 7-2/4-2. Likely needs to win 1 of last 2 since didn't play a I-A.

Whoa. I see what you did there, but I'm not sure why.
Are you saying that playing a 1-A (and losing) is essentially reducing your schedule to 10 games where a 7-3 record against FCS teams is better than a 7-4 record against FCS teams?

Much like the argument that UD has, if ODU loses it's last 2 games, it will be interesting to see who will beat them out for a playoff spot. It may be very difficult to find anyone.

ODUalum11 wrote:

BDKJMU wrote:James Madison @ New Hampshire 20-14. JMU OL has been decimated. We're f*cked unless the defense/special teams can finally score a non offensive TD.
Towson @ Maine by a TD or less.
William & Mary @ Rhode Island by a TD or less
Richmond @ Old Dominion by 1-2 TDs. If Corp couldn't light up the porous UMass secondary, guess he won't light up ODU's. ODU will probably have a post JMU win letdown and not beat UR as badly as they should, but will clinch a playoff spot with this win.
Villanova @ Massachusetts by 3-4 TDs.

I don't know, ODU's secondary is also pretty weak. Like any other game this season our defense starts and ends with the success of our defensive line. BDK, you sould know about ODU's secondary since for a half this past saturday the Dukes looked as if they were primarily a passing team all along.

BDKJMU wrote:Current CAA playoff situation. Assuming it takes 7 Div I wins to get in, and 7 Div I wins along with playing a I-A opponent clinches a spot

The following principles shall apply when selecting at-large teams:
1. The committee shall select the best teams available on a national at-large basis to
complete the bracket. Per NCAA Bylaw 31, the basic criteria used in the selection
of at-large participants are (1) won-lost record, (2) strength-of-schedule, and (3)
eligibility and availability of student-athletes for the NCAA championship;
2. There is no limit to the number of teams the committee may select from one conference;
3. The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of
schedule; however, less than seven Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of
not being selected;
4. The committee may give more consideration to those teams that have played all
Division I opponents; and
5. If the team of a committee member is under consideration, the member may not vote
for the team being considered and will not be in the room when a vote is taken.
6. For those conferences that qualify for automatic qualification but do not receive it,
a guaranteed at-large position shall be awarded in any year in which its conference
champion team meets all of the following conditions:
a. Team wins a minimum of eight Division I games during the season;
b. Team wins a minimum of two non-conference games against Division I teams
representing a conference that has earned an automatic qualification in that year;
and
c. Team finishes the season ranked 20 or higher in an average of the last regularseason
media, coaches and/or computer polls (which will be determined by
the committee on an annual basis). For 2011, the media poll will be the Sports
Network Poll, the coaches poll will be the FCS Coaches poll and the computer
poll will be a variation of the Gridiron Power Index – using only the following
computer rankings: The Massey Ratings, Wolfe Rankings, Ashburn Rankings,
Self Rankings and the Laz Index.
[See Appendix B (page 43) for a map of the geographical regions.]

93henfan wrote: Here are the actual criteria, btw:

The following principles shall apply when selecting at-large teams:
1. The committee shall select the best teams available on a national at-large basis to
complete the bracket. Per NCAA Bylaw 31, the basic criteria used in the selection
of at-large participants are (1) won-lost record, (2) strength-of-schedule, and (3)
eligibility and availability of student-athletes for the NCAA championship;
3. The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of
schedule; however, less than seven Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of
not being selected;
4. The committee may give more consideration to those teams that have played all
Division I opponents

mcveyrl wrote:

93henfan wrote: Here are the actual criteria, btw:

I tried to pare it down to the pertinent rules. And note that criteria doesn't mention ranking.

Last year JMU played a full D-I schedule (criteria four) and had wins over the ACC Champion and the #2 seed in the playoffs. Of our five losses, three were to playoff teams (two by a one score margin) and the other two were by a score or less to teams with a winning record. We were on a two game win streak that included the win over the 2 seed.

I would imagine JMU's strength of schedule was stronger last year than UD's this year, particularly with the West Chester game on there. And JMU didn't have as bad of a loss as URI on there (although it did have more losses).

The only advantage for UD over that scenario is that it has less FCS losses than JMU did and I suppose that's a distinction the committee could hang their hat on, but we'll see. Between JMU and Montna last year, I think the committee sent a clear message that seven D-I wins is a must.

93henfan wrote:

mcveyrl wrote:
I tried to pare it down to the pertinent rules. And note that criteria doesn't mention ranking.

Last year JMU played a full D-I schedule (criteria four) and had wins over the ACC Champion and the #2 seed in the playoffs. Of our five losses, three were to playoff teams (two by a one score margin) and the other two were by a score or less to teams with a winning record. We were on a two game win streak that included the win over the 2 seed.

I would imagine JMU's strength of schedule was stronger last year than UD's this year, particularly with the West Chester game on there. And JMU didn't have as bad of a loss as URI on there (although it did have more losses).

The only advantage for UD over that scenario is that it has less FCS losses than JMU did and I suppose that's a distinction the committee could hang their hat on, but we'll see. Between JMU and Montna last year, I think the committee sent a clear message that seven D-I wins is a must.

So what happens if there aren't 20 teams (including autos) that have 7 D-I wins in three weeks? This is a very weak FCS this year.

93henfan wrote:It would very interesting to see if the committee would leave out a top 10 team, regardless of all the other rules of thumb. Of course, that team is just as likely to go 0-2 as it is to go 2-0 with the inconsistency this year, so the point may be moot.

mcveyrl wrote:

93henfan wrote:It would very interesting to see if the committee would leave out a top 10 team, regardless of all the other rules of thumb. Of course, that team is just as likely to go 0-2 as it is to go 2-0 with the inconsistency this year, so the point may be moot.

Here's a question: is it more likely that a 6 win UD or a 6 win JMU gets in? Assuming that UD wins out and JMU only wins the URI game (big assumptions all the way around), both have 6 wins, both are 4-3 against common opponents and JMU has the tougher strength of schedule, but more losses....

This is probably a question for the other thread, but we've done an adequate job of crashing this one, so why not keep it up.

93henfan wrote:

mcveyrl wrote:

Here's a question: is it more likely that a 6 win UD or a 6 win JMU gets in? Assuming that UD wins out and JMU only wins the URI game (big assumptions all the way around), both have 6 wins, both are 4-3 against common opponents and JMU has the tougher strength of schedule, but more losses....

This is probably a question for the other thread, but we've done an adequate job of crashing this one, so why not keep it up.

I'd think the committee would see a bigger opening round draw in Harrisonburg and lean your way as the tiebreaker in that scenario.

MadMaxMonarch wrote:

93henfan wrote:
I'd think the committee would see a bigger opening round draw in Harrisonburg and lean your way as the tiebreaker in that scenario.

The committee would look at potential crowd size and would come to the conclusion that although Delaware has a large and loyal fan base JMU would trumpet.