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I just read on twitter that Southern is leaving the SWAC and joining the WAC

By now, I think that would be a step down for Southern. The only team there that would be anything of a challenge would be CatMom's crew.

It's probably safe to say Benson has at least contacted Southern (and everyone else west of the Appalachians) about interest in the WAC.

Oh, I thought you meant a merger.

SuperHornet wrote:By now, I think that would be a step down for Southern. The only team there that would be anything of a challenge would be CatMom's crew.

I can safely say if you think that you haven't watched Southern play in the last 2-3 years.

tampajag wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:By now, I think that would be a step down for Southern. The only team there that would be anything of a challenge would be CatMom's crew.

I can safely say if you think that you haven't watched Southern play in the last 2-3 years.

Oh, I've seen the Bayou Classic in the last few years. My point was more how much the WAC has fallen, not how good (or bad) Southern is.

SuperHornet wrote:

tampajag wrote: I can safely say if you think that you haven't watched Southern play in the last 2-3 years.

Oh, I've seen the Bayou Classic in the last few years. My point was more how much the WAC has fallen, not how good (or bad) Southern is.

My statement is indicative of how far Southern has fallen. Teams like Texas St are much better than SU at this point. NMSU would take them to the woodshed.

tampajag wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:
Oh, I've seen the Bayou Classic in the last few years. My point was more how much the WAC has fallen, not how good (or bad) Southern is.

My statement is indicative of how far Southern has fallen. Teams like Texas St are much better than SU at this point. NMSU would take them to the woodshed.

please don't try to reason with logical statements with SH. He is so far gone into his own little world about how good, or bad, teams are it isn't worth it.

clenz wrote:

tampajag wrote: My statement is indicative of how far Southern has fallen. Teams like Texas St are much better than SU at this point. NMSU would take them to the woodshed.

please don't try to reason with logical statements with SH. He is so far gone into his own little world about how good, or bad, teams are it isn't worth it.

I should know better

clenz wrote:

tampajag wrote: My statement is indicative of how far Southern has fallen. Teams like Texas St are much better than SU at this point. NMSU would take them to the woodshed.

please don't try to reason with logical statements with SH. He is so far gone into his own little world about how good, or bad, teams are it isn't worth it.

All because Sac State didn't get an invite to the WAC.

Beside all 9 WAC schools were rated higher than Texas State last year--even the five remaining. The five remaining still average better ratings than the Sun Belt and they have larger athletics budgets, but that doesn't stop people from believing that they have fallen below the Sun Belt and most if not all FCS.

Mike Johnson wrote:

clenz wrote: please don't try to reason with logical statements with SH. He is so far gone into his own little world about how good, or bad, teams are it isn't worth it.

All because Sac State didn't get an invite to the WAC.

Beside all 9 WAC schools were rated higher than Texas State last year--even the five remaining. The five remaining still average better ratings than the Sun Belt and they have larger athletics budgets, but that doesn't stop people from believing that they have fallen below the Sun Belt and most if not all FCS.

Uh, actually, word on the street is that Sac DID have a full-membership invite from the WAC and TURNED IT DOWN.

FWIW, Mike, Sac State already IS a proud member of the WAC. ASSOCIATE member, yes, but a member nonetheless. Or have you forgotten that?

SuperHornet wrote:

Mike Johnson wrote:
All because Sac State didn't get an invite to the WAC.

Beside all 9 WAC schools were rated higher than Texas State last year--even the five remaining. The five remaining still average better ratings than the Sun Belt and they have larger athletics budgets, but that doesn't stop people from believing that they have fallen below the Sun Belt and most if not all FCS.

Uh, actually, word on the street is that Sac DID have a full-membership invite from the WAC and TURNED IT DOWN.

FWIW, Mike, Sac State already IS a proud member of the WAC. ASSOCIATE member, yes, but a member nonetheless. Or have you forgotten that?

Word on the street? How about some, hell ANY kind of proof supporting that, Sally.

Grizalltheway wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:
Uh, actually, word on the street is that Sac DID have a full-membership invite from the WAC and TURNED IT DOWN.

FWIW, Mike, Sac State already IS a proud member of the WAC. ASSOCIATE member, yes, but a member nonetheless. Or have you forgotten that?

Word on the street? How about some, hell ANY kind of proof supporting that, Sally.

Which BSC schools haven’t been invited to the WAC?

SH, Mike is just venting because UVU was on its knees blowing Benson hoping for an invite but instead only got a facial and cab fare for the trip home.

tampajag wrote:I just read on twitter that Southern is leaving the SWAC and joining the WAC

They off to the wiggity wiggity WAC?

SuperHornet wrote:

Mike Johnson wrote:Uh, actually, word on the street is that Sac DID have a full-membership invite from the WAC and TURNED IT DOWN.

FWIW, Mike, Sac State already IS a proud member of the WAC. ASSOCIATE member, yes, but a member nonetheless. Or have you forgotten that?

Yes, associate member, just like Southern Utah.

BTW, Sac State state replied to an inquiry (not an offer) that there was no way Sac State could upgrade the football program to FBS standards (minimum average of 15,000 fans per game and minimum of 77 scholarships). Of course, a lot of people confuse inquiries with offers, but offers can only come from the board--the member institution presidents--and have only gone to three institutions from the WAC in the past year. Inquiries from the commissioner are much more common (as they are in all conferences).

And yes, I would have liked to have seen Utah Valley get in. But, for where they are just 3 years after after completing the transition to Division I to get a half hour at the table with the board to present their case is more than I expected.

Dammit!!! this is a Southern thread not a Sac St thread

tampajag wrote:Dammit!!! this is a Southern thread not a Sac St thread

And the usual suspect is to blame for derailing it.

Mike Johnson wrote:BTW, Sac State state replied to an inquiry (not an offer) that there was no way Sac State could upgrade the football program to FBS standards (minimum average of 15,000 fans per game and minimum of 77 scholarships). Of course, a lot of people confuse inquiries with offers, but offers can only come from the board--the member institution presidents--and have only gone to three institutions from the WAC in the past year. Inquiries from the commissioner are much more common (as they are in all conferences).

No CA FCS school will have money for additional scholarships, facilities, etc. Both the UC and CSU systems were cut $750M each under the recently passed CA budget….and the university systems will be on the hook for additional cuts if the Dems optimistic tax revenue projections are not met by the spring. Basically everyone will be in survival mode for the upcoming future and I expect a lot of in-fighting at the various universities about where the cuts should be made. Best believe academia will target athletics and paint the department as a complete waste of funds.

The general Sac area fans have not show much (if any) interest in the current unrecognizable schools from UT, ID, CO, and WA that are in the BSC so there is no reason to believe playing the WAC’s unrecognizable schools in UT, ID, TX, and LA would generate different results at the gate. Sadly the WAC will be waiting a long time if they want new members from CA. Hell, the WAC will have a hard enough time seeing their current CA member weather the financial storm.

Grizalltheway wrote:

tampajag wrote:Dammit!!! this is a Southern thread not a Sac St thread

And the usual suspect is to blame for derailing it.

Hey now I've had a hand in it this time as well...give credit where credit is due.