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Looks like after the ODU game that Delaware will have a decent assessment of where our secondary stands.

Brown for Liberty is good. JMU played Liberty after the VT upset, and Mickey Matthews was comparing Brown to Tyrod Taylor. Brown's biggest test after NC State will be the JMU game. Brown avg 346 yards passing & rushing per game last season. 9 starters return from a JMU defense that held him to his season low, 229 (203 passing, 26 rushing).

bluehenbillk wrote:Looks like after the ODU game that Delaware will have a decent assessment of where our secondary stands.

Should be interesting. If there's one thing to know about our offense, it's that we throw...a lot...a whole lot. The fact that most of the offense will be juniors and seniors should help out as well, but DeMarco's never faced a national runner-up (and most likely a single-digit ranked team) before, so I'm not sure how to gauge how well he'll do. The closest assessment we have is his game against W&M where he did pretty decent with 53%, 186 yds, 1 TD, and 1 INT (on a last second heave). If your secondary is weak, I think you should expect to see a lot of mid-range to long passes by our offense. If your secondary proves to be good early, you'll see a whole bunch of throws caught behind the line-of-scrimmage.

Pretty good list. Not sure what he's lost in terms of receivers, but Sorensen from SUU is a ridiculously good pocket passer. Watch out for him this year.

∞∞∞ wrote: If your secondary proves to be good early, you'll see a whole bunch of throws caught behind the line-of-scrimmage.

You better hope that isn't the case. The team speed that UD has on defense normally eats those kind of plays up. Were the #1 scoring defense in the land last year.

EWURanger wrote:Pretty good list. Not sure what he's lost in terms of receivers, but Sorensen from SUU is a ridiculously good pocket passer. Watch out for him this year.

And next year. If I had to pick a favorite player from another team, Sorensen would be it. Kid's ridiculous.

Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Jr., 6-5, 225 - After getting acclimated to the Thunderbirds' offensive system following a transfer from BYU, Sorensen completed over 76 percent of his passes over the team's final six games. They won five of the games, losing only to eventual FCS champion Eastern Washington by seven points, and captured their first Great West Conference title. Sorensen has the trust of his coaches because of his arm strength and ability to read defenses. He's so big that pass rushers struggle to bring him down. He finished sixth in the FCS with a 149.74 passer rating, completing 261-of-390 attempts (66.9 percent) for 3,163 yards and 21 touchdowns - all conference highs. He threw only six interceptions.

Last year was his first year starting - if he keeps that 76 percentage up going into this season, watch out for SUU. JFC, who completes 76 percent!?

bluehenbillk wrote:

∞∞∞ wrote: If your secondary proves to be good early, you'll see a whole bunch of throws caught behind the line-of-scrimmage.

You better hope that isn't the case. The team speed that UD has on defense normally eats those kind of plays up. Were the #1 scoring defense in the land last year.

We'll see. ODU uses the spread offense with a very similar system to Bill Walsh's west coast system, so the whole team is built around speed. We've had a whole lot of success with the behind-the-line throws, including against W&M. But you can't win just throwing behind-the-line, so it's usually used to open up the rest of our throwing lanes and throw off the defense. Our achilles heal on offense is when you cut-off the 10-15 yard throws (our defense is also a big liability). To put it in comparison, we probably play more like a Big Sky team than one from the CAA. Very much built for a high-octane offense instead of what I associate with the CAA, which is large size and rock solid defenses. We wanna score, and we wanna score fast.

ps. we also use a lot of trick plays, so an opposing secondary has to be aware of that as well.

ASU's Presley lost a lot of solid targets last season - guys are going to have to step up or we'll develop a bit more of a running game. Good to see him still on the list - he was a fantastic surprise last season.

Casey Therriault had a heck of a season last year, too bad he plays for a crap team. Seeing this list makes me realize how bad Southern is now, last 15 years we've always had one of the top QBs in the league. Brandon Bridge will make some noise for Alcorn this season if he doesn't have a sophomore slump.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

EWURanger wrote:Pretty good list. Not sure what he's lost in terms of receivers, but Sorensen from SUU is a ridiculously good pocket passer. Watch out for him this year.

And next year. If I had to pick a favorite player from another team, Sorensen would be it. Kid's ridiculous.

Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah, Jr., 6-5, 225 - After getting acclimated to the Thunderbirds' offensive system following a transfer from BYU, Sorensen completed over 76 percent of his passes over the team's final six games. They won five of the games, losing only to eventual FCS champion Eastern Washington by seven points, and captured their first Great West Conference title. Sorensen has the trust of his coaches because of his arm strength and ability to read defenses. He's so big that pass rushers struggle to bring him down. He finished sixth in the FCS with a 149.74 passer rating, completing 261-of-390 attempts (66.9 percent) for 3,163 yards and 21 touchdowns - all conference highs. He threw only six interceptions.

Last year was his first year starting - if he keeps that 76 percentage up going into this season, watch out for SUU. JFC, who completes 76 percent!?

Impressive year...no doubt. BUT, FWIW Eric Sanders completed 75% of his passes for the entire 2007 season.



Also, Rennie being on this list is going to piss off a good number of UNI fans...sounds dumb, doesn't it? There seems to be a big number of people in the UNI fanbase don't want to see Rennie do well for whatever reason. There have been many reasons discussed on PantherNation - mostly because he isn't as good of a passer as Eric Sanders, Carlos Anderson didn't get enough carries, the WR averaged 4 drops per game (usually in big situations), he runs a lot, and there was some talk of it being because he is black and UNI has never had a black QB. There are people who sit a couple rows in front of me (front row actually) who would boo every time Rennie touched the field, even if the play resulted in a 76 yard touchdown run. When he got hurt they stood up and cheered, when he came back in the game they booed....it was re-god-damn-diculous to watch. This discussion could get interesting on PN if the traffic is just right over the next 3 or 4 days.

Goes to show that height isn't the be all end for successful FCS Qbs. Half of those with a blurb are 6 feet tall or less.

Demarco and ODU's spread offense vs. W&M.
Watch the first two possessions, especially the pump fake on the first play of the second possession. All of the quick throws during the first possession, and the Tribes adjustment to them, set up the pump fake.

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clenz wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
And next year. If I had to pick a favorite player from another team, Sorensen would be it. Kid's ridiculous.



Last year was his first year starting - if he keeps that 76 percentage up going into this season, watch out for SUU. JFC, who completes 76 percent!?

Impressive year...no doubt. BUT, FWIW Eric Sanders completed 75% of his passes for the entire 2007 season.



Also, Rennie being on this list is going to piss off a good number of UNI fans...sounds dumb, doesn't it? There seems to be a big number of people in the UNI fanbase don't want to see Rennie do well for whatever reason. There have been many reasons discussed on PantherNation - mostly because he isn't as good of a passer as Eric Sanders, Carlos Anderson didn't get enough carries, the WR averaged 4 drops per game (usually in big situations), he runs a lot, and there was some talk of it being because he is black and UNI has never had a black QB. There are people who sit a couple rows in front of me (front row actually) who would boo every time Rennie touched the field, even if the play resulted in a 76 yard touchdown run. When he got hurt they stood up and cheered, when he came back in the game they booed....it was re-god-damn-diculous to watch. This discussion could get interesting on PN if the traffic is just right over the next 3 or 4 days.

That's just terrible sportsman ship from your own fans. I'm surprised they weren't kicked out.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

clenz wrote: Impressive year...no doubt. BUT, FWIW Eric Sanders completed 75% of his passes for the entire 2007 season.



Also, Rennie being on this list is going to piss off a good number of UNI fans...sounds dumb, doesn't it? There seems to be a big number of people in the UNI fanbase don't want to see Rennie do well for whatever reason. There have been many reasons discussed on PantherNation - mostly because he isn't as good of a passer as Eric Sanders, Carlos Anderson didn't get enough carries, the WR averaged 4 drops per game (usually in big situations), he runs a lot, and there was some talk of it being because he is black and UNI has never had a black QB. There are people who sit a couple rows in front of me (front row actually) who would boo every time Rennie touched the field, even if the play resulted in a 76 yard touchdown run. When he got hurt they stood up and cheered, when he came back in the game they booed....it was re-god-damn-diculous to watch. This discussion could get interesting on PN if the traffic is just right over the next 3 or 4 days.

That's just terrible sportsman ship from your own fans. I'm surprised they weren't kicked out.

That does suck, we had a QB get treated like that in the past. Kid dislocated his hip and people were happy, even though the team was 9-1 but people hated him.

tampajag wrote:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
That's just terrible sportsman ship from your own fans. I'm surprised they weren't kicked out.

That does suck, we had a QB get treated like that in the past. Kid dislocated his hip and people were happy, even though the team was 9-1 but people hated him.

Doesn't make sense. I can understand if the player is terrible, but if they're getting the job done, then WTF? There were times when I wished Baldwin had benched Bo Levi in the first half of the season, but I never wished ill of him. I wanted him to make a play, or make a SMART play rather. When he's doing that I have no problem with him. First 57 minutes of the NDSU game: GFY BLM. Last 3 plus OT:

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

clenz wrote: Impressive year...no doubt. BUT, FWIW Eric Sanders completed 75% of his passes for the entire 2007 season.



Also, Rennie being on this list is going to piss off a good number of UNI fans...sounds dumb, doesn't it? There seems to be a big number of people in the UNI fanbase don't want to see Rennie do well for whatever reason. There have been many reasons discussed on PantherNation - mostly because he isn't as good of a passer as Eric Sanders, Carlos Anderson didn't get enough carries, the WR averaged 4 drops per game (usually in big situations), he runs a lot, and there was some talk of it being because he is black and UNI has never had a black QB. There are people who sit a couple rows in front of me (front row actually) who would boo every time Rennie touched the field, even if the play resulted in a 76 yard touchdown run. When he got hurt they stood up and cheered, when he came back in the game they booed....it was re-god-damn-diculous to watch. This discussion could get interesting on PN if the traffic is just right over the next 3 or 4 days.

That's just terrible sportsman ship from your own fans. I'm surprised they weren't kicked out.

It was terrible to witness. I know people spoke badly of Eric Sanders during his time here (why I will NEVER understand), and people were hard on Pat Grace during his 2 years, myself included. However, I never saw, or heard, the kinds of things I did with Rennie last season. Grace got it pretty hard from the fan base, but that was more due to the fact he was a douche off the field (and on really), very hot headed, not a good teammate, and made terrible decisions at times. That being said he was still a pretty decent QB. If he was 20 lbs lighter and could control his temper (i.e. not going to the sidelines after a pick and slamming his helmet on the gatorade table on the sidelines spilling all of the water/Gatorade and breaking the table...happened more than once) he could have been Rennie with twice the arm strength.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

tampajag wrote: That does suck, we had a QB get treated like that in the past. Kid dislocated his hip and people were happy, even though the team was 9-1 but people hated him.

Doesn't make sense. I can understand if the player is terrible, but if they're getting the job done, then WTF? There were times when I wished Baldwin had benched Bo Levi in the first half of the season, but I never wished ill of him. I wanted him to make a play, or make a SMART play rather. When he's doing that I have no problem with him. First 57 minutes of the NDSU game: GFY BLM. Last 3 plus OT:

Agreed. It's one thing to point out flaws a player has...another to boo him from the front row and cheer when he gets hurt.

Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:

clenz wrote: Impressive year...no doubt. BUT, FWIW Eric Sanders completed 75% of his passes for the entire 2007 season.



Also, Rennie being on this list is going to piss off a good number of UNI fans...sounds dumb, doesn't it? There seems to be a big number of people in the UNI fanbase don't want to see Rennie do well for whatever reason. There have been many reasons discussed on PantherNation - mostly because he isn't as good of a passer as Eric Sanders, Carlos Anderson didn't get enough carries, the WR averaged 4 drops per game (usually in big situations), he runs a lot, and there was some talk of it being because he is black and UNI has never had a black QB. There are people who sit a couple rows in front of me (front row actually) who would boo every time Rennie touched the field, even if the play resulted in a 76 yard touchdown run. When he got hurt they stood up and cheered, when he came back in the game they booed....it was re-god-damn-diculous to watch. This discussion could get interesting on PN if the traffic is just right over the next 3 or 4 days.

That's just terrible sportsman ship from your own fans. I'm surprised they weren't kicked out.

The situation last year was a bit more nuanced than clenz portrays. There was a definite QB controversy at UNI between a returning RS JR Davis and Rennie who was a JC transfer, that only came into camp in the fall of 2010 (if I remember correctly). Davis had nothing but perform admirably in the back up of Pat Grace to that point, playing several full games when Grace was injured, winning most if not all of them.

QB decide was handled rather poorly by the coaching staff, IMO, especially the first 3-4 games, with alternating possessions for the QBs, or bringing in Davis in obvious passing situations. Staff was betting on Rennie's pure athletic upside, which while there, was offset by very limited playbook knowledge. A contributing factor in the QB decision was that UNI was replacing 4 of 5 lineman, who started out quite shaky on the pass protection.

Unfortunately, some of message board posters and at the game fans, who many believe were Davis personal friends/relatives (circumstantial evidence at best), turned the thing ugly. Both Qbs handled themselves professionally in public. It a very vocal, very small minority that was tossing grenades week in, week out.

As a number of other people have said, if Rennie's passing skill noticeably improves, he rightly should be on the list. If the passing turns out similar to last year, the UNI offense will look Jekyll & Hyde, depending on the week.

Rennie came in last spring. He has been enrolled since Jan 2010.

EWURanger wrote:Pretty good list. Not sure what he's lost in terms of receivers, but Sorensen from SUU is a ridiculously good pocket passer. Watch out for him this year.

Glad to see ODU's Demarco getting more and more publicity but this year will really show just how good he is. Being realistic, his numbers have been against some mediocre teams with the exception of CP and WM. And even then both weren't as strong as past teams. Both games which he was average at the very VERY best if not struggled. I can't remember how well he did against Cal Poly so I have to look at the boxscore. I don't think he did too well because our offense really struggled that game and most of what set-up our scoring was Colby Goodwyn on kick-off returns.

Another odu poster said we passed a whole lot last year but it should be remembered that we ran a whole lot the year before so who knows what to expect of our offense in 2011. I expect a more balanced offsense in 2011. In order to be successful we're going to need that.

futureodualum11 wrote:Glad to see ODU's Demarco getting more and more publicity but this year will really show just how good he is. Being realistic, his numbers have been against some mediocre teams with the exception of CP and WM. And even then both weren't as strong as past teams. Both games which he was average at the very VERY best if not struggled. I can't remember how well he did against Cal Poly so I have to look at the boxscore. I don't think he did too well because our offense really struggled that game and most of what set-up our scoring was Colby Goodwyn on kick-off returns.

Another odu poster said we passed a whole lot last year but it should be remembered that we ran a whole lot the year before so who knows what to expect of our offense in 2011. I expect a more balanced offsense in 2011. In order to be successful we're going to need that.

The door swings both ways in that debate. Yes, Demarco's competition was not very good, but his receivers, and line, were young and inexperienced also. He'll be like most QB's. He'll have good games and bad games. Let's just hope we have a defense this year.

No Jordy Johnson on that list?

Blasphemy.

AZGrizFan wrote:No Jordy Johnson on that list?

Blasphemy.

We can only hope.