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http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/ ... onvention/Proposal 2010-100 was adopted Thursday by the NCAA’s Legislative Council, which will allow the WAC to remain an FBS/Division I league as it is currently composed. Provided, of course, it doesn’t continue to hemorrhage members, which likely will remain a concern for the foreseeable future.
But for now, the league can at least breath a little bit easier after the continuity clause that required conferences to maintain a core membership of six schools for at least five years was abolished. In its place, conferences must have “seven active Division I members” – all of which sponsor men’s basketball, and six that sponsor at least five other sports, including football
-- Under the newly approved NCAA conference membership rules, FCS schools can ONLY advance to FBS by joining an existing FBS conference or conference that has been an FBS conference. There's no avenue for an FCS conference to promote itself to FBS status at some time in the future when its members are "more ready", hence schools that stay in the Big Sky, Southland, MVFC, etc. cannot advance to FBS.
-- The new rules also create virtually insurmountable barriers to creating new Division 1 conferences, e.g. a requirement to sponsor a full slate of men's and women's sports for eight years before being recognized by the NCAA. So, there almost certainly will not be any new FBS conferences created to sponsor FCS schools that want to advance to FBS.
-- Other than the WAC, MAC and Sun Belt, it's unlikely that any existing FBS conference will be inviting any FCS schools to join in the foreseeable future. Moreover the MAC is already up to 14 members (assuming its invitation to UMass goes through), and the Sun Belt has sworn off adding more FCS schools. For FCS schools that have FBS ambitions, especially in the west, the WAC is the only game in town.
The bottom line is that, as soon as the Big East and MWC and CUSA dominoes are done falling and the WAC knows what schools it's left with, the WAC will be in a position to go to Montana, UC Davis, Cal Poly, Sam Houston State or any other FCS schools it wants and say "we have X number of remaining available spaces that we intend to fill; if you ever want to have an FBS football program, commit to join the WAC by date Y now, or be left out and risk being stuck at the FCS level for a very, very long time."
With the exception of TX State,EWURanger wrote:WAC sucks......next.
.Whether it sucks or not is irrelevant in the overall landscape because it is still an FBS conference. It's a place to start, get a foot in the door, for almost all FCS teams looking to move up, especially now.EWURanger wrote:WAC sucks......next.
Nope. Texas State will never play another "meaningful" game again.JBB wrote:I too believe as CatMom does and besides the play off problem might cure itself?
Yeah, I know and it doesn't just thrill thinking about it but it's the reality of it. Hell, I won't even make most, if not all, of the away games from now on, and that pisses me off too.clenz wrote:Nope. Texas State will never play another "meaningful" game again.JBB wrote:I too believe as CatMom does and besides the play off problem might cure itself?
The very best they can hope for is to get an upset in their pay games once every couple years, and maybe one of the very low end bowl games.
Even with a playoff at the FBS level TSU would never be in it.
Fine by me. I'd rather have a non meaningful game on ESPN then wait for a playoff game to get picked up by ESPN 2. Even if it isn't a playoff game, more people will watch and it will give the team more exposure.clenz wrote:Nope. Texas State will never play another "meaningful" game again.JBB wrote:I too believe as CatMom does and besides the play off problem might cure itself?
The very best they can hope for is to get an upset in their pay games once every couple years, and maybe one of the very low end bowl games.
Even with a playoff at the FBS level TSU would never be in it.
Yeah cause all your playoff runs have made you relevant.clenz wrote:I don't know why TXSU fans would be upset about not getting playoffs anymore anyway. Shit you guys have been there what, 5 times in school history.
I guess going from a 5 win FCS team to a 3 wins FBS team is a good step for Texas State.
Nobody cared until 2005, then it became a goal to strive for clenz. Guess you're arrogant attitude doesn't allow for you to understand that. The players wanted it, and the fans finally wanted/demanded a team that was good enough to make that run. It may not have happened but it became a goal/mindset that wasn't really there before.clenz wrote:I don't know why TXSU fans would be upset about not getting playoffs anymore anyway. Shit you guys have been there what, 5 times in school history.
I guess going from a 5 win FCS team to a 3 wins FBS team is a good step for Texas State.
Seems like everyone from the SLC is leaving for the WAC.I can't find this anywhere. Did that forum give a source? I have poured over the NCAA site with no luck.CatMom wrote:-- Under the newly approved NCAA conference membership rules, FCS schools can ONLY advance to FBS by joining an existing FBS conference or conference that has been an FBS conference. There's no avenue for an FCS conference to promote itself to FBS status at some time in the future when its members are "more ready", hence schools that stay in the Big Sky, Southland, MVFC, etc. cannot advance to FBS.
-- The new rules also create virtually insurmountable barriers to creating new Division 1 conferences, e.g. a requirement to sponsor a full slate of men's and women's sports for eight years before being recognized by the NCAA. So, there almost certainly will not be any new FBS conferences created to sponsor FCS schools that want to advance to FBS.
-- Other than the WAC, MAC and Sun Belt, it's unlikely that any existing FBS conference will be inviting any FCS schools to join in the foreseeable future. Moreover the MAC is already up to 14 members (assuming its invitation to UMass goes through), and the Sun Belt has sworn off adding more FCS schools. For FCS schools that have FBS ambitions, especially in the west, the WAC is the only game in town.
The bottom line is that, as soon as the Big East and MWC and CUSA dominoes are done falling and the WAC knows what schools it's left with, the WAC will be in a position to go to Montana, UC Davis, Cal Poly, Sam Houston State or any other FCS schools it wants and say "we have X number of remaining available spaces that we intend to fill; if you ever want to have an FBS football program, commit to join the WAC by date Y now, or be left out and risk being stuck at the FCS level for a very, very long time."
You mean like PSU still is after 15 years?CaseyOrourke wrote:Should both Montanas decide to move up, would they be happy with the possibility of being one of the conference doormats for the first few years until they get their program up to the FBS level?
I had to give up a lot of away game too when NDSU moved into the FBS. I used to see them all except the Norther Colorado game. It was fun.CatMom wrote:Yeah, I know and it doesn't just thrill thinking about it but it's the reality of it. Hell, I won't even make most, if not all, of the away games from now on, and that pisses me off too.clenz wrote: Nope. Texas State will never play another "meaningful" game again.
The very best they can hope for is to get an upset in their pay games once every couple years, and maybe one of the very low end bowl games.
Even with a playoff at the FBS level TSU would never be in it.
No...I should have delved into this to get that but, didn't. I'll track it down and ask.Sly Fox wrote:I can't find this anywhere. Did that forum give a source? I have poured over the NCAA site with no luck.
Were you sober when you wrote this? It makes no sense at all.JBB wrote: I had to give up a lot of away game too when NDSU moved into the FBS. I used to see them all except the Norther Colorado game. It was fun.
Im pretty happy with FCS football. Im not an advocate of a move to FCS as I was earlier but I certainly would get on board if the AD had a chance to move us into an FCS conference. The WAC is about the only place we could go. With the Montana Schools in it would look pretty good.
Jb, you gotta read what you post, this is nonsensical even by your standards......kemajic wrote:Were you sober when you wrote this? It makes no sense at all.JBB wrote: I had to give up a lot of away game too when NDSU moved into the FBS. I used to see them all except the Norther Colorado game. It was fun.
Im pretty happy with FCS football. Im not an advocate of a move to FCS as I was earlier but I certainly would get on board if the AD had a chance to move us into an FCS conference. The WAC is about the only place we could go. With the Montana Schools in it would look pretty good.
