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FIRST-TEAM OFFENSE: QB - Matt Barr, Western Illinois, Sr., or Jeremy Moses, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., or DeAndre Presley, Appalachian State, Jr.; RB - Nate Eachus, Colgate, Sr.; Henry Harris, Southeast Missouri State, Sr. FB - Eric Breitenstein, Wofford, Jr. WR - Tysson Poots, Southern Utah, Sr.; Chris Summers, Liberty, Jr.; Raymond Webber, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Sr. TE - Andrew Kennedy, Columbia, Sr. OT - Ben Ijalana, Villanova, Sr.; Mike Person, Montana
State, Sr. OG - David Arkin, Missouri State, Sr.; Pat Illig, Wofford, Sr. C - Chris Powers, Eastern Washington, Jr. PK - Matt Bevins, Liberty, Jr. KR - Gralyn Crawford, Stephen F. Austin, So.

FIRST-TEAM DEFENSE: DE - Mario Kurn, San Diego, Jr.; Ameet Pall, Wofford, Jr. DT - Martin Parker, Richmond, Sr.; Brandon Peguese, Hampton, Sr. LB - Kyle Glazier, Western Illinois, Sr.; Tyler Holmes, Massachusetts, Jr.; J.C. Sherritt, Eastern Washington, Sr.; D.J. Smith, Appalachian State, Sr. CB - Jarard Cribbs, Lehigh, Sr.; Trumaine Johnson, Montana, Jr. S - Eugene Clifford, Tennessee State, Sr.; Mark LeGree, Appalachian State, Sr. P - John Prelvitz, North Dakota State, Sr. PR - Shawn Abuhoff, Dartmouth, Jr.

SECOND-TEAM OFFENSE: QB - Matt Barr, Western Illinois, Sr., or Jeremy Moses, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., or DeAndre Presley, Appalachian State, Jr. RB - Taiwan Jones, Eastern Washington, Jr.; Frank Warren, Grambling State, Sr. FB - Vai Tafuna, Weber State, Sr. WR - Marcus Harris, Murray State, Sr.; Cordell Roberson, Stephen F. Austin, Sr.; Lito Senatus, Western Illinois, Sr. TE - Alex Gottlieb, William & Mary, Jr. OT - Keith Hill Jr., William & Mary, Sr.; Curt Porter, Jacksonville State, Sr. OG - Frank Knights, Southeast Missouri, Sr.; J.C. Oram, Weber State, Jr. C - Ryan McKnight, South Dakota State, Sr. PK - Jason Cunningham, Montana State, Jr. KR - Jeremy Caldwell, Eastern
Kentucky, Jr.

SECOND-TEAM DEFENSE: DE - Jabari Fletcher, Appalachian State, Sr.; Zack Nash, Sacramento State, Jr. DT - Kendrick Ellis, Hampton, Sr.; Brent Russell, Georgia Southern, So. LB - Matt Evans, New Hampshire, So.; Eric McBride, Richmond, Sr., Derek Rose, Northwestern State, So., A.J. Storms, Idaho State, Jr. CB - Korey Lindsey, Southern Illinois, Sr.; Dino Vasso, New Hampshire, Sr. S - Kejuan Riley, Alabama State, So.; James Vercammen, Dayton, Sr. P - David Harrington, Idaho State, Jr. PR - Dontrelly Johnson, Murray State, Jr.

THIRD-TEAM OFFENSE: QB - Matt Barr, Western Illinois, Sr., or Jeremy Moses, Stephen F. Austin, Sr., or DeAndre Presley, Appalachian State, Jr. RB - Kyle Minnett, South Dakota State, Sr.; Andrew Pierce, Delaware, Fr. FB - Kendall Gaskins, Richmond, So. WR - Joe Collins, Weber State, Sr.; Aaron Mellette, Elon, So.; Ryan Spadola, Lehigh, So. TE - Shadrae King, Robert Morris, Jr. OT - Johnny Culbreath, South Carolina State, Sr.; Will Rackley, Lehigh, Sr. OG - Luis Ruffolo, Penn, Sr.; Kris Poindexter, Northern Arizona, Sr. C - Sean Middleton, Southeast Missouri State, Sr. PK - Ian Vance, Georgia State, Sr. KR - Larrone Moore, Delaware State, Sr.

THIRD-TEAM DEFENSE: DE - Kenneth Charles, Stephen F. Austin, Sr.; Dain Taylor, Drake, Sr. DT - Andre Caroll, Delaware State, Sr.; Dan Ogden, Montana State, Sr. LB - Dejuan Fulghum, Texas Southern, Jr.; Jer-ryan Harris, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Fr.; Antoine WIlkinson, Missouri State, Sr.; Jabara Williams, Stephen F. Austin, Sr. CB - Asa Jackson, Cal Poly, Jr.; Justin Rogers, Richmond, Jr. S - Anthony Bratton, Delaware, Sr.; Matt Johnson, Eastern Washington, Jr. P - David Miller, William & Mary, Sr. PR - Tavoy Moore, Idaho State, Jr.

Note: Quarterback will be released after the unveiling of the 2010 Walter Payton Award on Jan. 6 in Frisco, Texas. The final candidates are Matt Barr of Western Illinois, Jeremy Moses of Stephen F. Austin and DeAndre Presley of Appalachian State.

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interesting that Chris Powers of EWU made the first team while Jones did not. I'm not even sure if Powers even made the first team all Big Sky, not that he isn't deserving.

also when is the Buchanan winner announced?

eaglesfootball wrote:interesting that Chris Powers of EWU made the first team while Jones did not. I'm not even sure if Powers even made the first team all Big Sky, not that he isn't deserving.

also when is the Buchanan winner announced?

Even more interesting Matt Barr etal are 1st, 2nd or 3rd team QB

Gil Dobie wrote: Even more interesting Matt Barr etal are 1st, 2nd or 3rd team QB

What I came to post as well. What a fucking cop out. Pick somebody, damnit.

No Delaware players on the first or second teams. KC Keeler must be a damn genius to take this sorry group of players to the championship game.

93henfan wrote:No Delaware players on the first or second teams. KC Keeler must be a damn genius to take this sorry group of players to the championship game.

Well, this is really to worldly of a list to contain a QB of Devlin's stature. They're obviously planning on awarding him Super Bowl MVP in addition to the MOP Award of the 2011 NCAA Tourney due to the Heisman slight he endured a couple of weekends ago.....

eaglesfootball wrote:interesting that Chris Powers of EWU made the first team while Jones did not. I'm not even sure if Powers even made the first team all Big Sky, not that he isn't deserving.

also when is the Buchanan winner announced?

Powers was 1st team all BSC.

Appaholic wrote:

93henfan wrote:No Delaware players on the first or second teams. KC Keeler must be a damn genius to take this sorry group of players to the championship game.

Well, this is really to earthly of a list to contain a QB of Devlin's stature. They're obviously planning on awarding him Super Bowl MVP in addition to the MOP Award of the 2011 NCAA Tourney due to the Heisman slight he endured a couple of weekends ago.....

Hey, it keeps boding well for Devlin. Flacco couldn't even make the ballot for the Payton Award, yet was a first round pick just 4 months later. TSN has a super track record of judging QB performance.

93henfan wrote:No Delaware players on the first or second teams. KC Keeler must be a damn genius to take this sorry group of players to the championship game.

You'd have to think this could sew up the Eddie Robinson Award for KC - I mean, heck, Del St had as many players make the list as UD did and look at the difference in outcome. KC is a genius, just give him the award now.

GannonFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote:
Well, this is really to earthly of a list to contain a QB of Devlin's stature. They're obviously planning on awarding him Super Bowl MVP in addition to the MOP Award of the 2011 NCAA Tourney due to the Heisman slight he endured a couple of weekends ago.....

Hey, it keeps boding well for Devlin. Flacco couldn't even make the ballot for the Payton Award, yet was a first round pick just 4 months later. TSN has a super track record of judging QB performance.

I guess they give more of a consideration for actual production within their current endeavor vs future money-making potential. You don't penalize a Valedictorian who graduates with highest overall marks as an English major just because the top Business school student might make more money...

Appaholic wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Hey, it keeps boding well for Devlin. Flacco couldn't even make the ballot for the Payton Award, yet was a first round pick just 4 months later. TSN has a super track record of judging QB performance.

I guess they give more of a consideration for actual production within their current endeavor vs future money-making potential. You don't penalize a Valedictorian who graduates with highest overall marks as an English major just because the top Business school student might make more money...

Well, you hardly have to use future earnings to judge Devlin. Just using the stats from this year he has a much higher QB rating than any of the three finalists. But why look at stats like that. Like Flacco before him (and Flacco had a lot of stats better than those who finished way ahead of him) Devlin was ineligible for this award before the season began - Devlin is a transfer and transfers are not allowed to win this award.

GannonFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote:
I guess they give more of a consideration for actual production within their current endeavor vs future money-making potential. You don't penalize a Valedictorian who graduates with highest overall marks as an English major just because the top Business school student might make more money...

Well, you hardly have to use future earnings to judge Devlin. Just using the stats from this year he has a much higher QB rating than any of the three finalists. But why look at stats like that. Like Flacco before him (and Flacco had a lot of stats better than those who finished way ahead of him) Devlin was ineligible for this award before the season began - Devlin is a transfer and transfers are not allowed to win this award.

No shit.. ...I did not know that....dam, now I feel bad for stirring the pot with you fokkers...anybody got some crow for Appa?

GannonFan wrote:

Appaholic wrote:
Well, this is really to earthly of a list to contain a QB of Devlin's stature. They're obviously planning on awarding him Super Bowl MVP in addition to the MOP Award of the 2011 NCAA Tourney due to the Heisman slight he endured a couple of weekends ago.....

Hey, it keeps boding well for Devlin. Flacco couldn't even make the ballot for the Payton Award, yet was a first round pick just 4 months later. TSN has a super track record of judging QB performance.

Yeah, I was gonna say. Flacco didn't make the Payton ballot. Where is Jayson Foster, the Turkish football league? And of course we know that AE can't even crack the starting lineup of the most piss poor team in the NFL.

Skjellyfetti wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote: Even more interesting Matt Barr etal are 1st, 2nd or 3rd team QB

What I came to post as well. What a **** cop out. Pick somebody, damnit.

In the release it said they would release who the first, second, and third team QBs are once the Payton announcement is made.

93henfan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Hey, it keeps boding well for Devlin. Flacco couldn't even make the ballot for the Payton Award, yet was a first round pick just 4 months later. TSN has a super track record of judging QB performance.

Yeah, I was gonna say. Flacco didn't make the Payton ballot. Where is Jayson Foster, the Turkish football league? And of course we know that AE can't even crack the starting lineup of the most piss poor team in the NFL.

Foster played for the Orlando Tuskers of the UFL the past two years.

What may happen in the NFL and what happens on the college gridiron have absolutely nothing in common. The rules are different, the teams are different, the game is different, the demands on the players are different. Recognition for college awards is based on what happens on the college football field. Period. Not what MAY happen in the future.

Edwards is a lead pipe lock College Football Hall of Fame inductee and was the best FCS player during his tenure at App. I don't see how anybody could argue otherwise. He is truly a once in a generation player for a program.

Foster set the all time rushing record for a season for a quarterback in 2007, and all one needs to know about Foster is to look at GSU's records in 2005 (8-4 playoff team with Foster at QB rushing for over 1500 yards), 2006 (3-8 with Foster at WR), and 2007 (7-4 with Foster winning the Payton rushing for over 1800 yards in 11 games0.

As for Flacco vs. Foster, UD and GSU had one common opponent in 2007- App State. Perhaps the App State people can weigh in on who they feared the most and who they thought was the better college player against their championship team in 2007.

Flacco had a good career at UD and a great 2007 season, probably (IMO he should have) should have been on the final watch list for the Payton, and has done great things in the NFL, but he simply wasn't the college player AE was in 2006-2009 or Foster in 2007 was, and that's all that matters here.

I don't think Joe mind$ the $nub.

Honestly, all you have to do is take a look at the Navy game in 2007, as the NFL scouts did, to know who the best QB in FCS was that year.

blueballs wrote:As for Flacco vs. Foster, UD and GSU had one common opponent in 2007- App State. Perhaps the App State people can weigh in on who they feared the most and who they thought was the better college player against their championship team in 2007.

Foster.

93henfan wrote:Honestly, all you have to do is take a look at the Navy game in 2007, as the NFL scouts did, to know which QB had the most NFL potential that year.

fify

blueballs wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Yeah, I was gonna say. Flacco didn't make the Payton ballot. Where is Jayson Foster, the Turkish football league? And of course we know that AE can't even crack the starting lineup of the most piss poor team in the NFL.

Foster played for the Orlando Tuskers of the UFL the past two years.

What may happen in the NFL and what happens on the college gridiron have absolutely nothing in common. The rules are different, the teams are different, the game is different, the demands on the players are different. Recognition for college awards is based on what happens on the college football field. Period. Not what MAY happen in the future.

Edwards is a lead pipe lock College Football Hall of Fame inductee and was the best FCS player during his tenure at App. I don't see how anybody could argue otherwise. He is truly a once in a generation player for a program.

Foster set the all time rushing record for a season for a quarterback in 2007, and all one needs to know about Foster is to look at GSU's records in 2005 (8-4 playoff team with Foster at QB rushing for over 1500 yards), 2006 (3-8 with Foster at WR), and 2007 (7-4 with Foster winning the Payton rushing for over 1800 yards in 11 games0.

As for Flacco vs. Foster, UD and GSU had one common opponent in 2007- App State. Perhaps the App State people can weigh in on who they feared the most and who they thought was the better college player against their championship team in 2007.

Flacco had a good career at UD and a great 2007 season, probably (IMO he should have) should have been on the final watch list for the Payton, and has done great things in the NFL, but he simply wasn't the college player AE was in 2006-2009 or Foster in 2007 was, and that's all that matters here.

Why do people keep saying that the only positive thing Flacco had going for him was his NFL future? Look at the stats again and tell me why Flacco, in '07, shouldn't have been on the final Payton ballot as one of the best 15 or so players in FCS that year. Heck, Liam Coen was still on the final ballot over Flacco and no one in the conference where those two played would've ever said that Coen was a better QB than Flacco. After seeing Flacco and Sanders on the field together, again, no one in their right mind would actually say that Sanders was a better QB than Flacco. But then again, Sanders had toiled for 4 years, all of which were in the FCS, so his was a career nod. We all know that transfers are looked down upon when these awards come out so it was no surprise to see Flacco even kept off the final voting list. No one is saying that Flacco, or even Devlin now, should've won the Payton Award. Foster clearly deserved the award. But to not recognize that Flacco was supremely snubbed is just turning a blind eye. Devlin's not been as snubbed as Flacoo was, but again it's clear that transfers need not apply when these awards are talked about, and that's at a detriment to the awards themselves.

GannonFan wrote: No one is saying that Flacco, or even Devlin now, should've won the Payton Award. Foster clearly deserved the award.

No one is saying that Flacco should have won the Payton Award? Y'all are just bitching about him not being on the ballot? Really? Who the fuck cares about who's on the ballot? All that matters is who wins.

GannonFan wrote:

blueballs wrote:
Foster played for the Orlando Tuskers of the UFL the past two years.

What may happen in the NFL and what happens on the college gridiron have absolutely nothing in common. The rules are different, the teams are different, the game is different, the demands on the players are different. Recognition for college awards is based on what happens on the college football field. Period. Not what MAY happen in the future.

Edwards is a lead pipe lock College Football Hall of Fame inductee and was the best FCS player during his tenure at App. I don't see how anybody could argue otherwise. He is truly a once in a generation player for a program.

Foster set the all time rushing record for a season for a quarterback in 2007, and all one needs to know about Foster is to look at GSU's records in 2005 (8-4 playoff team with Foster at QB rushing for over 1500 yards), 2006 (3-8 with Foster at WR), and 2007 (7-4 with Foster winning the Payton rushing for over 1800 yards in 11 games0.

As for Flacco vs. Foster, UD and GSU had one common opponent in 2007- App State. Perhaps the App State people can weigh in on who they feared the most and who they thought was the better college player against their championship team in 2007.

Flacco had a good career at UD and a great 2007 season, probably (IMO he should have) should have been on the final watch list for the Payton, and has done great things in the NFL, but he simply wasn't the college player AE was in 2006-2009 or Foster in 2007 was, and that's all that matters here.

Why do people keep saying that the only positive thing Flacco had going for him was his NFL future? Look at the stats again and tell me why Flacco, in '07, shouldn't have been on the final Payton ballot as one of the best 15 or so players in FCS that year. Heck, Liam Coen was still on the final ballot over Flacco and no one in the conference where those two played would've ever said that Coen was a better QB than Flacco. After seeing Flacco and Sanders on the field together, again, no one in their right mind would actually say that Sanders was a better QB than Flacco. But then again, Sanders had toiled for 4 years, all of which were in the FCS, so his was a career nod. We all know that transfers are looked down upon when these awards come out so it was no surprise to see Flacco even kept off the final voting list. No one is saying that Flacco, or even Devlin now, should've won the Payton Award. Foster clearly deserved the award. But to not recognize that Flacco was supremely snubbed is just turning a blind eye. Devlin's not been as snubbed as Flacoo was, but again it's clear that transfers need not apply when these awards are talked about, and that's at a detriment to the awards themselves.

Can't argue with any of that... Flacco played 3 years at UD, right?

blueballs wrote: Can't argue with any of that... Flacco played 3 years at UD, right?

Nope. Wannstedt made him eat a year of his Pittsburgh schollie.

93henfan wrote:

blueballs wrote: Can't argue with any of that... Flacco played 3 years at UD, right?

Nope. Wannstedt made him eat a year of his Pittsburgh schollie.

So only 2?

blueballs wrote:

93henfan wrote:
Nope. Wannstedt made him eat a year of his Pittsburgh schollie.

So only 2?

That's correct. Only '06 and '07. He transferred late in '05 with the intention of playing a full season, but Dave W wouldn't release him out of spite.

93henfan wrote:

GannonFan wrote:
Hey, it keeps boding well for Devlin. Flacco couldn't even make the ballot for the Payton Award, yet was a first round pick just 4 months later. TSN has a super track record of judging QB performance.

Yeah, I was gonna say. Flacco didn't make the Payton ballot. Where is Jayson Foster, the Turkish football league? And of course we know that AE can't even crack the starting lineup of the most piss poor team in the NFL.

But hey, the Patriots thank Carolina for that #33 overall pick they traded to us for the opportunity to draft Edwards

SmallCollegeFBFan wrote:

Skjellyfetti wrote:
What I came to post as well. What a **** cop out. Pick somebody, damnit.

In the release it said they would release who the first, second, and third team QBs are once the Payton announcement is made.

yup cause the voting for 1st 2nd and 3rd All American was identical to the Payton balloting... so it would be foolish to release the exact order now for All American