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Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Appalachian State Mountaineers (111) 6-0 3,718 1
2. Delaware Blue Hens (28) 7-0 3,594 2
3. Jacksonville State Gamecocks (11) 7-0 3,419 3
4. William & Mary Tribe 5-1 3,293 4
5. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks (1) 5-1 3,164 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 4-2 2,988 6
7. Montana Grizzlies 5-2 2,594 11
8. Eastern Washington Eagles 5-2 2,520 12
9. Wofford Terriers 5-1 2,394 14
10. New Hampshire Wildcats 4-3 2,047 16
11. James Madison Dukes 4-2 2,001 7
12. Massachusetts Minutemen 4-2 1,854 8
13. Southeast Missouri State Redhawks 6-1 1,807 18
14. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 6-0 1,592 23
15. Montana State Bobcats 5-2 1,551 9
16. Richmond Spiders 3-3 1,479 20
17. Liberty Flames 5-2 1,341 19
18. South Carolina State Bulldogs 4-2 1,283 10
19. Northern Iowa Panthers 3-3 759 22
20. Penn Quakers 4-1 625 25
21. Western Illinois Leathernecks 5-2 622 NR
22. Northern Arizona Lumberjacks 4-2 599 NR
23. Cal Poly Mustangs 4-3 584 13
24. Chattanooga Mocs 4-2 516 NR
25. Furman Paladins 4-2 462 NR
Others receiving votes: North Dakota State 353, Elon 329, Grambling State 319, Jacksonville 309, Jackson State 148, Hampton 144, Robert Morris 120, Southern Illinois 98, Georgia Southern 85, Colgate 63, Dayton 56, Sam Houston State 41, South Dakota State 32, Indiana State 24, Illinois State 24, McNeese State 24, Sacramento State 23, Lehigh 16, Yale 15, Southern Utah 13, Texas State 9, Weber State 8, UC Davis 7, South Dakota 4, Harvard 3, Tennessee State 2.

RMU not ranked by now is a total joke. Behind Hampton, Jacksonville, and Jackson State is even worse. This poll is an absolute joke.

I really don't understand how RMU is not in the top 25.

Curious - Is there any other team that has a win over a currently ranked Top 25 team that isn't ranked themselves?

Could someone explain to me why Liberty is 15 spots higher than Robert Morris, a team they lost to and that has a better record?

93henfan wrote:Could someone explain to me why Liberty is 15 spots higher than Robert Morris, a team they lost to and that has a better record?

Because RMU is too low. LU is fine, RMU is just VERY underrated.

ToTheLeft wrote:RMU not ranked by now is a total joke. Behind Hampton, Jacksonville, and Jackson State is even worse. This poll is an absolute joke.

Jacksonville is playing really well, they beat ODU if I remember correctly as well, don't know if RMU deserves to be above them...

bluehenbillk wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:RMU not ranked by now is a total joke. Behind Hampton, Jacksonville, and Jackson State is even worse. This poll is an absolute joke.

Jacksonville is playing really well, they beat ODU if I remember correctly as well, don't know if RMU deserves to be above them...

So, beating ODU isn't as good as beating Liberty?

Got it. Forgot that they're top 25 and we're not.

Oh, wait.

I guess I just don't get the fascination with Liberty. They haven't beaten a team with a winning record yet. The two winners they did play beat them.

Are they hanging their hat on a win over 2-5 Ball State from the lowly MAC? If Ball State were FCS, they'd be the 50th ranked FCS team according to Sagarin. They flat suck.

danefan wrote:I really don't understand how RMU is not in the top 25.

Curious - Is there any other team that has a win over a currently ranked Top 25 team that isn't ranked themselves?

SUU, Texas State, S. Dakota St., SIU, URI, Maine.

I had RMU in my top 25.

93henfan wrote:I guess I just don't get the fascination with Liberty. They haven't beaten a team with a winning record yet. The two winners they did play beat them.

FBS win and 5 DI wins. Sure the FBS team is terrible, but it has to mean something. We're going to be stalled outside my top 10 for a while because we don't belong that high, but with all the parity this year, and an FBS win, regardless of how bad... according to Sagarin, beating Ball State is somewhere between beating Elon and Penn... I feel like we should be solidly ranked. There are a lot of teams getting good rankings that don't really deserve them. Griz, for example. I originally shunned the idea of UNI having a similar resume to Griz, but it's not as wide of a gap as the polls show.

It's been a tough year to poll so far.

Seriously, pick apart every team the way you do LU, there's not a ton of teams with great Resumes.

93henfan wrote:I guess I just don't get the fascination with Liberty. They haven't beaten a team with a winning record yet. The two winners they did play beat them.

Are they hanging their hat on a win over 2-5 Ball State from the lowly MAC? If Ball State were FCS, they'd be the 50th ranked FCS team according to Sagarin. They flat suck.

:thumbs:

DSUrocks07 wrote:

93henfan wrote:I guess I just don't get the fascination with Liberty. They haven't beaten a team with a winning record yet. The two winners they did play beat them.

Are they hanging their hat on a win over 2-5 Ball State from the lowly MAC? If Ball State were FCS, they'd be the 50th ranked FCS team according to Sagarin. They flat suck.

:thumbs:

The fascination with DSU is that they're in the worst conference with an AQ in the nation, and they're one of the worst teams in that conference.

Must suck to have to take out that frustration on a team because one of their fans disagrees with you.

The fact is that were getting to the point in the season where the pendulum swings more towards a team's resume and prior success than how they are playing on a week to week basis.

ToTheLeft wrote:

DSUrocks07 wrote:
:thumbs:

The fascination with DSU is that they're in the worst conference with an AQ in the nation, and they're one of the worst teams in that conference.

Must suck to have to take out that frustration on a team because one of their fans disagrees with you.

Actually it's more fun than you would believe

I could poke holes in every argument of where (insert team here) is ranked right up there with the best of them. Even way down here on the ladder as one of the "worst of the worst", but the best thing about that is that we have no where to go from here but up

Anyone else notice they published the names of voters at the bottom of the poll? Scroll down to the bottom of this link and it has the names:

http://64.246.64.33/merge/tsnform.aspx? ... A-POLL.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ToTheLeft wrote:

93henfan wrote:Could someone explain to me why Liberty is 15 spots higher than Robert Morris, a team they lost to and that has a better record?

Because RMU is too low. LU is fine, RMU is just VERY underrated.

There are four reasons RMU is not rated, especially not rated behind LU.

1. They lost to Dayton
2. Dayton lost to Duquesne and Duquesne is 4-3. They played Delaware and it wasn't even close (30-6). One of Duquesne's losses is a 2-4 Monmouth team.
3. Liberty has an FBS win and has a reputation as a previously ranked team.
4. There is very little respect for the NEC but I feel this is because the league does not have a quality win over a top 15 team in the current poll. This is probably the least of them though because teams get ranked based on resume. Look at Bethune-Cookman who has not been good in a long time but they vaulted way up in the poll after beating an established top 15 team with a solid reputation.

danefan wrote:I really don't understand how RMU is not in the top 25.

Curious - Is there any other team that has a win over a currently ranked Top 25 team that isn't ranked themselves?

SDSU beat 21. WIU
SUU beat 23. Cal Poly
Texas St beat 23. Cal Poly
SIU beat 19. UNI

That's just a quick glance...

Those teams have all lost quite a bit so the comparison to RMU isn't close, just answering your question.

SDSU might be the best 2-4 team in history.

Seriously

I usually stay out of poll debates. What's the point?

However...

I cannot believe what I just read.

Using the "logic" from above, one can easily state the following:

There are six reasons LU is rated too high, and especially should not be rated higher than RMU.

1.They lost to RMU.
2. RMU lost to Dayton.
3. Dayton lost to Duquesne and Duquesne is 4-3. They played Delaware and it wasn't even close (30-6). One of Duquesne's losses is a 2-4 Monmouth team.
4. Did I mention that Liberty lost to Robert Morris?
5. There is very little respect for the Big South but I feel this is because the league does not have a quality win over a top 25 team (or an ARV) in the current poll.
6. Liberty lost to James Madison who lost to New Hampshire who lost to Maine who lost to Albany who lost to both Robert Morris and Duquesne.



Thank goodness for the FCS. The Championship is won ON THE FIELD (just like the Robert Morris victory over Liberty), and not in some poll where the voters rationalize like the prior poster.

clenz wrote:SDSU might be the best 2-4 team in history.

Seriously

They're 3-4.

They were 2-4...my point still stand.

NAU only 22?

SmallCollegeFBFan wrote:Anyone else notice they published the names of voters at the bottom of the poll? Scroll down to the bottom of this link and it has the names:

http://64.246.64.33/merge/tsnform.aspx? ... A-POLL.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

looks like they have some representation from various schools/conferences, as well as others.

they have 16 people listed from the MVFC, though the only name I recognize right off hand is someone from the Athletic Communications (Sports Info) department at UNI.

dbackjon wrote:NAU only 22?

Exactly. They only lost to the number 8 team, and destroyed the number 15 team.