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So this weekend, freshmen Tony Washington caught his first career touchdown for App State in the middle of the rout win over NC Central. Upon reaching the endzone, threw the bell to the ref, did some chest bumps, and went to the sideline while celebrating with his team mates.

Personal foul, excessive celebration.

Apparently it's illegal to taunt the field house as well because that's the only thing in the direction of his celebration.

I read the UNI fans talking about how they got flagged for what the ref said was "enticing the crowd". Mind you, they were at home.

The NCAA really has a horse shoe up their ass with the new excessive celebration rules. If the rules were applied equally to basketball, a technical foul should be assessed every time a player screams or roars after a dunk or a huge block.

This "excessive celebration" BS needs to stop.

also why are there no penalties for excessive opposite of celebration? slapping/punching the turf, general body language of frustration. you'd think if the ncaa was gonna be so lame they'd do that too.

the celebration penalties are a joke, and the comparison to basketball is interesting as they don't ever call any penalties that would be in fball.

Just wait until next year.

Any taunting that occurs prior to entering the endzone will result in the TD being taken off the board and the 15 yd penalty be assessed from the point of the foul.

So if a guy dives into the endzone and the ref didn't think it was "necessary" then the TD will be taken off the board and the ball placed at the 15-yard line.

T-Dog wrote:So this weekend, freshmen Tony Washington caught his first career touchdown for App State in the middle of the rout win over NC Central. Upon reaching the endzone, threw the bell to the ref, did some chest bumps, and went to the sideline while celebrating with his team mates.

Personal foul, excessive celebration.

Apparently it's illegal to taunt the field house as well because that's the only thing in the direction of his celebration.

I read the UNI fans talking about how they got flagged for what the ref said was "enticing the crowd". Mind you, they were at home.

The NCAA really has a horse shoe up their ass with the new excessive celebration rules. If the rules were applied equally to basketball, a technical foul should be assessed every time a player screams or roars after a dunk or a huge block.

This "excessive celebration" BS needs to stop.

Biggest horse shit of a pentaly I've ever saw, and that is saying something.


As JayJ79 said in another thread, apparently we shouldn't have scored that TD as it enticed the crowd to cheer. Damn players, what were they thinking.

MSU's WR Saffold caught a 66 yard TD bomb against Kansas State and "Shhhh"ed the crowd and got a pretty costly penalty that let KSU get a quick score before halftime.

If the NCAA wanted to get rid of this rule I'd be okay with doing so. But...

The rule is there, the players know the rule is there, they should follow it. I think it's pretty selfish that a player is willing to penalize his team 15 yards just so he can act like a jackass in the endzone.

I also think the penalty should only be 5 yards, 15 yards is excessive.

BlueHen86 wrote:If the NCAA wanted to get rid of this rule I'd be okay with doing so. But...

The rule is there, the players know the rule is there, they should follow it. I think it's pretty selfish that a player is willing to penalize his team 15 yards just so he can act like a jackass in the endzone.

I also think the penalty should only be 5 yards, 15 yards is excessive.

Tell me how scoring a TD and celebrating by doing chest/back bumps with teammates is "enticing the crowd". AND how that is a penalty after a TD, but not before a play when the team is on defense and the players are motioning for the crowd to get louder.

clenz wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote:If the NCAA wanted to get rid of this rule I'd be okay with doing so. But...

The rule is there, the players know the rule is there, they should follow it. I think it's pretty selfish that a player is willing to penalize his team 15 yards just so he can act like a jackass in the endzone.

I also think the penalty should only be 5 yards, 15 yards is excessive.

Tell me how scoring a TD and celebrating by doing chest/back bumps with teammates is "enticing the crowd". AND how that is a penalty after a TD, but not before a play when the team is on defense and the players are motioning for the crowd to get louder.

I wasn't commenting on any particular play (I didn't see the one you are talking about), as I said I'd be okay with getting rid of the rule. But I have seen celebrations that I thought were clearly over the line (not chest bumping teammates however). If I were a coach I'd tell my players to get over to the sideline ASAP and then celebrate - no use risking a flag.

I have also seen refs abuse the penalty (sounds like that might be the case you are describing). A few years ago U of Washington scored a late TD and would have tied the game with the extra point. Unfortunately a ref threw a penalty flag on the celebration (which didn't seem excessive to me) and Washington missed the long extra point and lost the game by 1.

The NCAA is swiftly turning into the No Fun League.

Can you imagine what would happen to Mark Gastineau today? The Smurfs?

There's something to be said for smack talk and taunting. T.O. posing on the Cowboys' star may have been a bit much. But to flag something along the lines of Butch Johnson's California Quake is a bit much....

Slightly off-topic, but Delaware was nailed for a "roughing the center" penalty on Saturday.

93henfan wrote:Slightly off-topic, but Delaware was nailed for a "roughing the center" penalty on Saturday.

Oddly enough SFA was called for a roughing the passer on a play where our QB ran for 8 yards...


I think he meant to say late hit, but since it was the QB he called roughing...

T-Dog wrote:So this weekend, freshmen Tony Washington caught his first career touchdown for App State in the middle of the rout win over NC Central. Upon reaching the endzone, threw the bell to the ref, did some chest bumps, and went to the sideline while celebrating with his team mates.

Personal foul, excessive celebration.

Apparently it's illegal to taunt the field house as well because that's the only thing in the direction of his celebration.

I read the UNI fans talking about how they got flagged for what the ref said was "enticing the crowd". Mind you, they were at home.

The NCAA really has a horse shoe up their ass with the new excessive celebration rules. If the rules were applied equally to basketball, a technical foul should be assessed every time a player screams or roars after a dunk or a huge block.

This "excessive celebration" BS needs to stop.

Your lack of sensitivity towards field houses is shocking.

Shit boys, you wanna talk about getting flagged for excessive celebration? Look no farther than the EWU~Griz Game. Apparently it's illegal to rush the field before the game is over.

Old Dominion was flagged 4 times for personal fouls. Apparantly it is illegal to hit another player after the whistle. Who knew?

Gary Rima (UNI's PBP guy, who does a daily sports talk show on the local radio station) clarified (and replayed the audio clip of the play/call in question).

The penalty wasn't on the bench/sideline, it was called on UNI's runningback (Carlos Anderson). I can't remember what his role was in the play itself (long pass to a WR going for a touchdown), or if he was even on the field for that play. Nor did I see what his actions were that prompted the flag.

But I still think the penalty call was ridiculous.

JayJ79 wrote: Nor did I see what his actions were that prompted the flag.

But I still think the penalty call was ridiculous.

If you didn't see the incident that caused the penalty, then how can you say it was ridiculous?

Cluck U wrote:

JayJ79 wrote: Nor did I see what his actions were that prompted the flag.

But I still think the penalty call was ridiculous.

If you didn't see the incident that caused the penalty, then how can you say it was ridiculous?

That's exactly the problem here. Carlos wasn't involved in the play. He was flagged for "enticing the crowd through gestures"*.

*re: pointing to the crowd and doing a gesture to get louder. I don't know how else to explain the gesture, it is like the Angels in the outfield thing.

clenz wrote:That's exactly the problem here. Carlos wasn't involved in the play. He was flagged for "enticing the crowd through gestures"*.

*re: pointing to the crowd and doing a gesture to get louder. I don't know how else to explain the gesture, it is like the Angels in the outfield thing.

You mean like countless defensive players do at their home stadiums, to pump up the crowd? I don't think I've ever seen that ever flagged (nor should it be), even though it has a much more direct effect on the opposing team than cheering after a touchdown.

Cluck U wrote:

JayJ79 wrote: Nor did I see what his actions were that prompted the flag.

But I still think the penalty call was ridiculous.

If you didn't see the incident that caused the penalty, then how can you say it was ridiculous?

because I can't think of any possible action that he could have done in that situation that would warrant a penalty and fall under "enticing the crowd" (if he went and got in the face of an SFA player or something, that wouldn't be enticing the crowd, that would be taunting)

That's the action Jay

JayJ79 wrote:

Cluck U wrote:


If you didn't see the incident that caused the penalty, then how can you say it was ridiculous?

because I can't think of any possible action that he could have done in that situation that would warrant a penalty and fall under "enticing the crowd" (if he went and got in the face of an SFA player or something, that wouldn't be enticing the crowd, that would be taunting)

Maybe he was pretending to screw the opponent bent over a log while slapping their azz with his helmet? Who knows? We need a replay.

My problem with the excessive celebration penalties is that the officials need to realize that they, too, should act as a team out there. My point is, last year during the Weber State/Portland State game, both teams were flagged once for excessive celebration. The Weber celebration was done in full view of the two officials in the end zone who did nothing, but the flag was thrown by the line judge at least 30 yards away. I say, even if it went the way of Portland State, if the two closest officials are fine with it, don't let one trailing the play muddy it up.

Cluck U wrote:Maybe he was pretending to screw the opponent bent over a log while slapping their azz with his helmet? Who knows? We need a replay.

He's a LUMBERJACK. he's used to that sort of thing, and our guy just wanted to make him feel at home.

JALMOND wrote:My problem with the excessive celebration penalties is that the officials need to realize that they, too, should act as a team out there. My point is, last year during the Weber State/Portland State game, both teams were flagged once for excessive celebration. The Weber celebration was done in full view of the two officials in the end zone who did nothing, but the flag was thrown by the line judge at least 30 yards away. I say, even if it went the way of Portland State, if the two closest officials are fine with it, don't let one trailing the play muddy it up.

JayJ79 wrote:

Cluck U wrote:Maybe he was pretending to screw the opponent bent over a log while slapping their azz with his helmet? Who knows? We need a replay.

He's a LUMBERJACK. he's used to that sort of thing, and our guy just wanted to make him feel at home.

Found the replay:

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Definitely worth a penalty.