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Two weeks into this season and I can honestly say I've never seen a program with less class then Stephen F. Austin.

Week 1 - coaching your players to fake injuries.
Week 2 - 52-7 - starters still in the game and going for two after touchdowns.

Complete and utter lack of class.

I hope UNI beats the ever living shit out of you next week.

Danefan,
I hear you on the two point conversion try. I would like to know, when do you think the starters should be taken out of the game?

FWJack wrote:Danefan,
I hear you on the two point conversion try. I would like to know, when do you think the starters should be taken out of the game?

Leaving your starters in means you are trying to run the score up. For what?

Take away the score issue and think about from your perspective. All you need is one bad rollover and your QB (read - your whole team) is out for the year. For what? Nothing,

Oh and BTW, you'll notice that Coach Ford took our starters out.

Not worth getting hurt in a game that has been over since the 2nd quarter and means absolute nothing for the rest of the season.

danefan wrote:

FWJack wrote:Danefan,
I hear you on the two point conversion try. I would like to know, when do you think the starters should be taken out of the game?

Leaving your starters in means you are trying to run the score up. For what?

Take away the score issue and think about from your perspective. All you need is one bad rollover and your QB (read - your whole team) is out for the year. For what? Nothing,

I agree with you. I for one would have everyone of my starters out at this point for that very reason. FWIW, I have spent a lot of time watch these types of offenses. You will notice when Texas Tech is in the same situation they rarely pull they starters. Teams want to develop some momentum and consistency. With an offense like this, it is all about timeing. We didn't get anything going in our game last week. I am hoping our starters come out after the first or second series in the 4th.

Moses out after one series in 4th. I think that is very reasonable.

FWJack wrote:

danefan wrote:
Leaving your starters in means you are trying to run the score up. For what?

Take away the score issue and think about from your perspective. All you need is one bad rollover and your QB (read - your whole team) is out for the year. For what? Nothing,

I agree with you. I for one would have everyone of my starters out at this point for that very reason. FWIW, I have spent a lot of time watch these types of offenses. You will notice when Texas Tech is in the same situation they rarely pull they starters. Teams want to develop some momentum and consistency. With an offense like this, it is all about timeing. We didn't get anything going in our game last week. I am hoping our starters come out after the first or second series in the 4th.

I get your point, but there are appropriate times to develop timing and late in a blowout game isn't one of them. It smells of an attempt to embarass another team.

danefan wrote:

FWJack wrote:
I agree with you. I for one would have everyone of my starters out at this point for that very reason. FWIW, I have spent a lot of time watch these types of offenses. You will notice when Texas Tech is in the same situation they rarely pull they starters. Teams want to develop some momentum and consistency. With an offense like this, it is all about timeing. We didn't get anything going in our game last week. I am hoping our starters come out after the first or second series in the 4th.

I get your point, but there are appropriate times to develop timing and late in a blowout game isn't one of them. It smells of an attempt to embarass another team.

First, it is barely "late". It was still in the third qtr when that score happened. I think you are searching a little here. Just my opionion.

FWJack wrote:

danefan wrote:
I get your point, but there are appropriate times to develop timing and late in a blowout game isn't one of them. It smells of an attempt to embarass another team.

First, it is barely "late". It was still in the third qtr when that score happened. I think you are searching a little here. Just my opionion.

The game was over by the end of the 1st quarter. Anything in the 2nd half was "late" in the game. I don't expect you to agree with me.

You have a good team. Good luck the rest of the season. I'll be rooting against SFA every week though.

danefan wrote:

FWJack wrote:
First, it is barely "late". It was still in the third qtr when that score happened. I think you are searching a little here. Just my opionion.

The game was over by the end of the 1st quarter. Anything in the 2nd half was "late" in the game. I don't expect you to agree with me.

You have a good team. Good luck the rest of the season. I'll be rooting against SFA every week though.

haha, fair enough.

39-7 at half...your starters should have gotten one...MAYBE two depending how the first series went...possession in the second half.

And...without speaking for Danefan, this isn't about Dane fans being upset...yadda yadda. This was a game that was simply over. Albany--for numerous reasons including youth, having three starters out (including our all-world star TB/WR/QB) for a team that is replacing 16 starters already, lack of depth, and a defensive scheme that is not designed to stop air attacks that are prolific like SFA--was simply outclassed in this game.

I actually thought our QB played well given the circumstances...but that said, this game was so long gone that I decided to go out and get my drink on much earlier than expected.

SFA's going for two in the beginning was ok with me...it is almost a taste of UA's own medicine of trickery. However, going for it late in the game...tossing the ball all over the place up until deep in the game...is horseshit.

Now, if you told me the starters were RUNNING THE FOOTBALL...or PASSING UNDERNEATH...I would say, "meh, maybe that's ok." Why? because that isn't a strength of SFA and I would understand them trying to work on it in a game situation so that they are better prepared later in the year.

You put this together with the crap of last weekend in College Station, plus the history of SFA running up the score in the past...well, I too will be rooting against SFA the rest of the season.

Ya got a good squad there...good luck...but I hope you get bitch slapped next week.

Dane96 wrote:And...without speaking for Danefan, this isn't about Dane fans being upset...yadda yadda. This was a game that was simply over. Albany--for numerous reasons including youth, having three starters out (including our all-world star TB/WR/QB) for a team that is replacing 16 starters already, lack of depth, and a defensive scheme that is not designed to stop air attacks that are prolific like SFA--was simply outclassed in this game.

I actually thought our QB played well given the circumstances...but that said, this game was so long gone that I decided to go out and get my drink on much earlier than expected.

SFA's going for two in the beginning was ok with me...it is almost a taste of UA's own medicine of trickery. However, going for it late in the game...tossing the ball all over the place up until deep in the game...is horseshit.

Now, if you told me the starters were RUNNING THE FOOTBALL...or PASSING UNDERNEATH...I would say, "meh, maybe that's ok." Why? because that isn't a strength of SFA and I would understand them trying to work on it in a game situation so that they are better prepared later in the year.

You put this together with the crap of last weekend in College Station, plus the history of SFA running up the score in the past...well, I too will be rooting against SFA the rest of the season.

Ya got a good squad there...good luck...but I hope you get bitch slapped next week.

We're going to do our damnedest to treat their QB like we did NDSU's QB. 11 sacks and about 12 more hits put on him.

Here's a great example of a BS call:

Up 52-14 and throwing the ball into the endzone on a 4th and 10 from the 12 instead of kicking the field goal.

That's an attempt to run up the score.

And I've been on the opposite side of lopsided games in my playing days at Albany, including complete blowouts at Montana and Northeastern in 2002. I always respected the opposing team though for playing tough and other coaching staffs for having class. Sorry, but yesterday was a different story.

Because I have no life, I stayed in, paid the $7.95 and watched every painful minute of the game. For the record Albany fans, there were a few bright spots to build on. Lets call a spade a spade, our toughest games are behind us. There will be NO ONE IN THE NEC of Maine or SFA caliber. Not even mighty Duquesne or Robert Morris. If you told me we would be 1-1 after the first 2 games in August I would have been thrilled. We are 1-1 with the soft part of the schedule coming up. More later on that.

This is college football, if UA has the "stones" to schedule up and take the payday(I assume there was a payday) then they deserve what comes. The only problem I actually had with SFA was going for 2 early???? And going for 2 late. I am not a coach but for the life of me could not figure out what the reason to do that is. So, do we really think we are ready for Cincy in 2012???

SFA is a GREAT passing team and that is all they know. Did Coach Harper try and run the score up? Probably. But thats life. At 39-7 at the half I had visions of a 92-7 final. We played somewhat better in the second half.Texas A&M, a far superior team to SFA humiliated them the week before. They took their lumps (probably from falling down and faking injuries)and moved on.

The final verdict is I believe SFA is a team to be feared going forward. That qb and those rec....I mean even the off target throws were completed. They have a much better d then advertised. If they get into a power game in late Nov in the playoffs with a Delaware, UMASS or Montana things will be different.

For those not interested in my assessment of UA's bright spots log off now...

QB play wasnt bad. Terrible coaching decision to throw rtight before the half which was a pick for 7. He did underthrow many passes. That will get corrected in the next two weeks. Its one thing to line up against SFA and quite another to line up against Duquesne. The short passing game works for UA better then I thought. O line didnt do a bad job. They need more consistency, but they moved the ball on two drives the lenghth of the field against the best D they will face all year. Oh by the way we have some real talent in the backfield. I know they looked slow against speedy SFA but they will be lightening in a bottle against NEC competition. The kid Ben something or other from Amsterdam played great. Not sure how bad Smith's knee is but i am not sure things would of been that different had he played. I hope its not serious buit if he is not 100% I am more then comfortable with who we have to spell him.

Special teams was a disgrace, except our punter. Take away a punt return for a TD, a Kickoff Return for a TD, and a pick for a TD and the game is closer. BURN THE TAPES AND START OVER.

Defense. What can I say, no pressure and literally our dbs were smoked like a Texas BBQ. Trust me, the passing Offenses we see will not be nearly that effective. In fact NEC rec will be in slow motion compared to that.

Did we play well? No. If we had played well we still lose by 28 to that team.

MR 79 wrote:Because I have no life, I stayed in, paid the $7.95 and watched every painful minute of the game. For the record Albany fans, there were a few bright spots to build on. Lets call a spade a spade, our toughest games are behind us. There will be NO ONE IN THE NEC of Maine or SFA caliber. Not even mighty Duquesne or Robert Morris. If you told me we would be 1-1 after the first 2 games in August I would have been thrilled. We are 1-1 with the soft part of the schedule coming up. More later on that.

This is college football, if UA has the "stones" to schedule up and take the payday(I assume there was a payday) then they deserve what comes. The only problem I actually had with SFA was going for 2 early???? And going for 2 late. I am not a coach but for the life of me could not figure out what the reason to do that is. So, do we really think we are ready for Cincy in 2012???

SFA is a GREAT passing team and that is all they know. Did Coach Harper try and run the score up? Probably. But thats life. At 39-7 at the half I had visions of a 92-7 final. We played somewhat better in the second half.Texas A&M, a far superior team to SFA humiliated them the week before. They took their lumps (probably from falling down and faking injuries)and moved on.

The final verdict is I believe SFA is a team to be feared going forward. That qb and those rec....I mean even the off target throws were completed. They have a much better d then advertised. If they get into a power game in late Nov in the playoffs with a Delaware, UMASS or Montana things will be different.

For those not interested in my assessment of UA's bright spots log off now...

QB play wasnt bad. Terrible coaching decision to throw rtight before the half which was a pick for 7. He did underthrow many passes. That will get corrected in the next two weeks. Its one thing to line up against SFA and quite another to line up against Duquesne. The short passing game works for UA better then I thought. O line didnt do a bad job. They need more consistency, but they moved the ball on two drives the lenghth of the field against the best D they will face all year. Oh by the way we have some real talent in the backfield. I know they looked slow against speedy SFA but they will be lightening in a bottle against NEC competition. The kid Ben something or other from Amsterdam played great. Not sure how bad Smith's knee is but i am not sure things would of been that different had he played. I hope its not serious buit if he is not 100% I am more then comfortable with who we have to spell him.

Special teams was a disgrace, except our punter. Take away a punt return for a TD, a Kickoff Return for a TD, and a pick for a TD and the game is closer. BURN THE TAPES AND START OVER.

Defense. What can I say, no pressure and literally our dbs were smoked like a Texas BBQ. Trust me, the passing Offenses we see will not be nearly that effective. In fact NEC rec will be in slow motion compared to that.

Did we play well? No. If we had played well we still lose by 28 to that team.

I agree with you on the analysis of our team and especially on burning these tapes.

I was thinking this morning about our depth at RB. All three kids would be starters (Smith, Romain and Wilson) for a lot of teams. Our coaches need to figure out how to get them all in the game at the same time.

BTW Ruler - another username?

danefan wrote:Here's a great example of a BS call:

Up 52-14 and throwing the ball into the endzone on a 4th and 10 from the 12 instead of kicking the field goal.

That's an attempt to run up the score.

I can't tell you how wrong you are here...It is way worse to take an automatic three points. You let the defense try and stop you on this one...PERIOD.

Dane96 wrote:Now, if you told me the starters were RUNNING THE FOOTBALL...or PASSING UNDERNEATH...I would say, "meh, maybe that's ok." Why? because that isn't a strength of SFA and I would understand them trying to work on it in a game situation so that they are better prepared later in the year.

The starters were taken out of the game for the ENTIRE 4th qtr. And there is no way SFA is going to run the ball. You run your offense with your back ups. Which is what they did.

MR 79, couldn't agree with your assesment more. The two point conversion late bothers me. I'm fine with the early one though.

Yall are starting to sind like a bunch of cry babies. SFA took a 51-0 beat down in Montana last year and Selle played for almost the entire game. Where were all the SFA fans crying about that??? We weren't, it didn't even cross our mind. I mentioned that a&m left their starters in for the entire game against us last week and got blasted for it, so whats it going to be. I understand you can't let last week go (you have a real gripe here), but yall are getting a little pathetic here.

The starters were NOT out for the whole fourth quarter.

Are you for real?

FWJack wrote: SFA took a 51-0 beat down in Montana last year and Selle played for almost the entire game. Where were all the SFA fans crying about that??? We weren't, it didn't even cross our mind.

Apples & Oranges my friend...

The example you cite here is from a playoff game...

The SFA - Albany match yesterday was regular season...

Think about this for a second SFA fans....

Moses and a ton of other SFA starters were still in the game for about 10 minutes after Coach Ford took out our starters.

I know you're blinded by homerism and I can understand that coming from us it sounds like sour grapes, but we've taken some serious beating in the past. Heck I've played in some of those games myself. I've never once complained about this. Yesterday's game was different.

Like I said on AGS. I've spoken my peace. I'm done with it. Call it what you want, but I'll be rooting against your Coach for the rest of his career.

Col Hogan wrote:

FWJack wrote: SFA took a 51-0 beat down in Montana last year and Selle played for almost the entire game. Where were all the SFA fans crying about that??? We weren't, it didn't even cross our mind.

Apples & Oranges my friend...

The example you cite here is from a playoff game...

The SFA - Albany match yesterday was regular season...

I am trying to keep an open perspective here Col. I just don't follow...are you saying that its ok to keep your starters in the game during a blowout if its in the playoffs but not during regular season?

FWJack wrote:

Col Hogan wrote:

Apples & Oranges my friend...

The example you cite here is from a playoff game...

The SFA - Albany match yesterday was regular season...

I am trying to keep an open perspective here Col. I just don't follow...are you saying that its ok to keep your starters in the game during a blowout if its in the playoffs but not during regular season?

What your trying to do is to avoid the fact that your coaching staff tried to run up the score. Its blatently clear after the 2 pt conversion try in the 2nd half. Thats what really makes it different. There is keeping your 1st string in but running the ball or being conservative with your offense, or there is keeping on trying to score as much as possible on an already trounced opponent who is weaker than you. The playoffs are different because you SHOULD be good enough to stop that. You have earned your way into the playoffs by being good, you should be able to stop the other team. Going for two in a regular season game against a team from a lesser conference is just being douchy.

Thumper 76 wrote:

FWJack wrote:
I am trying to keep an open perspective here Col. I just don't follow...are you saying that its ok to keep your starters in the game during a blowout if its in the playoffs but not during regular season?

What your trying to do is to avoid the fact that your coaching staff tried to run up the score. Its blatently clear after the 2 pt conversion try in the 2nd half. Thats what really makes it different. There is keeping your 1st string in but running the ball or being conservative with your offense, or there is keeping on trying to score as much as possible on an already trounced opponent who is weaker than you. The playoffs are different because you SHOULD be good enough to stop that. You have earned your way into the playoffs by being good, you should be able to stop the other team. Going for two in a regular season game against a team from a lesser conference is just being douchy.

I'm not avoiding anything. I already conceded the two point try subject a while back.

FWJack wrote:

Thumper 76 wrote:
What your trying to do is to avoid the fact that your coaching staff tried to run up the score. Its blatently clear after the 2 pt conversion try in the 2nd half. Thats what really makes it different. There is keeping your 1st string in but running the ball or being conservative with your offense, or there is keeping on trying to score as much as possible on an already trounced opponent who is weaker than you. The playoffs are different because you SHOULD be good enough to stop that. You have earned your way into the playoffs by being good, you should be able to stop the other team. Going for two in a regular season game against a team from a lesser conference is just being douchy.

I'm not avoiding anything. I already conceded the two point try subject a while back.

You also maintained that that was the only thing you saw that they did in that mindset.

A couple of things I read here seem a little shaky as far as sportmanship but since I don't know what they were trying to do in that particular situation I may not be getting the whole story.

SFA played their game and if they want to leave starters in through the 3rd quarter then I don't see anything wrong with that. If they want to try and work on some stuff, I don't see anything wrong with that either.

They have taken beatings, they have dished out beatings. I don't know that they were specifically trying to embarass anyone as I only watched that game up until 1/2 time and then had to bag it. The thing is...if you want to play a team and make your way up the ladder then it seems a little soft to me to bitch about taking one on the chin.

Play the thing out and don't ask the opponent to take pity on you.