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Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:48 am
by danefan
The SLC had a good year last year with 2 bids....
Whats the word on 2010?
I'm particularly interested in SFA as Albany is traveling down that way on September 11th.

Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:53 am
by TexasTerror
The Southland should be very competitive in 2010.
If I had to make my guess right now - both Stephen F. Austin and Southeastern La. will have a spot in the expanded Division I playoffs. SFA has Moses returning and though they lose Knicky and Brooks, they should have the talent to succeed. SLU returns most of their main players - outside of Babin at QB. They get Connors back after he missed last year with an injury and those talented WRs they have both return.
The key for the SLC - which it has not been able to do - is schedule appropriately. Though the financial uncertainty in Louisiana may get in the way to some degree, the schools should be much better positioned to do this, especially when Lamar makes the SLC slate eight games.
Sam Houston State is one of the schools that has come out and said that our goal is to schedule ALL schools at the Division I level. They almost had it last year, if not for Prairie View bailing out.
I can expand some more - but I am sure we'll have plenty time to do it.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:02 am
by CatMom
Unless SFA gets a running game they are beatable. Please, I know you fawn over Moses but he can be stopped. Just ask Montana and TXST.
Montana vs SFA 51-0
TXST vs SFA 28-7
That's outscored and outplayed 79-7 in just 2 games. The key was forcing turnovers and shutting them down in the red zone. (Although UM just totally shut them down.)
UAlbany ain't Texas College.
SFA will have to be reckoned with. SELA - we'll see. MSU is alwas a force. Don't know about TXST yet. New QB, will Bush return? How will some of our RSfreshman perform? Hell, will we have a coaching staff actually tops my list right now

Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:07 am
by TexasTerror
CatMom wrote:Unless SFA gets a running game they are beatable. Please, I know you fawn over Moses but he can be stopped. Just ask Montana and TXST.
Montana vs SFA 51-0
TXST vs SFA 28-7
That's outscored and outplayed 79-7 in just 2 games. The key was forcing turnovers and shutting them down in the red zone. (Although UM just totally shut them down.)
Never "fawned" over Moses.
I said before the season and will say this again in my SLC review, that Moses was going to be made or broken by his ability to cut down on INTs. He did that this year. You brought up Montana - well the turnovers did show their head, did they not?
It also did not hurt that Vincent Pervis ended up being a solid running back for them. I know you say they did not have a running game, but Pervis was actually very servicable and averaged over 70 yards per game. Perhaps if Moses did not throw for long TDs as much, I figure that Pervis would have topped 80, 85 yards per game - if not more. Look for more Pervis next year...
CatMom wrote:UAlbany ain't Texas College.
No joke there! Poor Texas College, even Texas Southern took them to the woodshed.
CatMom wrote:SFA will have to be reckoned with. SELA - we'll see. MSU is alwas a force. Don't know about TXST yet. New QB, will Bush return? How will some of our RSfreshman perform? Hell, will we have a coaching staff actually tops my list right now

How many games did Bush play last year? Or part of? Trying to figure out what his medical redshirt possibilities will be...
SLU was on the verge of something before those last two games. They only lost to Nicholls, IMO - because the Colonels were emotional about the Jay Thomas situation and because SLU had already thrown away their chances at the SLC, playoffs.
McNeese should be interesting. They lost some play makers. I am interested to see how SHSU and Nicholls do with new coaches and who knows - perhaps NWST will turn the corner? Peveto does his work cut out for him, but perhaps those guys will get it together offensively?
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:16 am
by CatMom
TT,
We've speculated, since he went down and out against NSU, about the medical redshirt. Even on here. It's a fine line and we don't know, yet, if he got it.
He played 1 series in the first game (Angelo)
Played sparingly against SUU
Played against SELA and went down against NSU
Stats list 4 games...that's all I know
Someone on here pulled out the NCAA rules about medical redshirts and it didn't help clarify anything, really
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:18 am
by TexasTerror
CatMom wrote:We've speculated, since he went down and out against NSU, about the medical redshirt. Even on here. It's a fine line and we don't know, yet, if he got it.
The NCAA has a 'weird science' when it comes to medical redshirt situations. This situation is not so "cut and dry" as you say, but hopefully TXST has done the best job they can in getting that waiver from the NCAA.
The NCAA - where there are waivers for waivers!

Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:18 pm
by slulionsfan
CatMom wrote:TT,
We've speculated, since he went down and out against NSU, about the medical redshirt. Even on here. It's a fine line and we don't know, yet, if he got it.
He played 1 series in the first game (Angelo)
Played sparingly against SUU
Played against SELA and went down against NSU
Stats list 4 games...that's all I know
Someone on here pulled out the NCAA rules about medical redshirts and it didn't help clarify anything, really
He can't get a medical redshirt because he played in a game past the mid-point of the season...doesn't matter what percentage of games you play in - even if it's one play - if it happens past the fifth game of the season, you're not eligible for a medical redshirt.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:23 pm
by slulionsfan
We return just about our entire team, which the exception of starting QB, RB, a couple of WRs and a LB...otherwise, just about our entire two-deep is back, plus we get SS Tommy Connors and DT Devin Boutwell back from injury...we do return an experienced QB in 5th year senior, Tyler Beatty, plus we have a talented redshirt sophomore-to-be who will push for the starting QB position...we also have to replace our kicker, but otherwise, we should field our best team since bringing football back in '03.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:25 am
by CatMom
Actually the rule was changed in 2006 to 3/30. The ambiguity (or lack of clarity) comes into play when it states championship play, as it doesn't specify if that is for the team or conference or the FCS/FBS. It's also not so cut and dried if he came back to play too soon due to misdiagnoses or bad medical advice. (the latter being my opinion)
Regardless, he'll be back if cleared medically. It's just a matter if he will have 2 years left or just 1.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:49 am
by TexasTerror
slulionsfan wrote:We return just about our entire team, which the exception of starting QB, RB, a couple of WRs and a LB...otherwise, just about our entire two-deep is back, plus we get SS Tommy Connors and DT Devin Boutwell back from injury...we do return an experienced QB in 5th year senior, Tyler Beatty, plus we have a talented redshirt sophomore-to-be who will push for the starting QB position...we also have to replace our kicker, but otherwise, we should field our best team since bringing football back in '03.
The only thing I worry about SLU is that they have two OOC games against FBS teams. While Tulane and ULM are not the toughest competition and there's a chance SLU may outdraw both at their home field, they are still FBS games...
Their road trips in conference, sans SFA are not so bad.
SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
9-2...at Tulane
9-11...TENNESSEE-MARTIN
9-18...LAMAR
9-25...at Louisiana-Monroe
10-2...TEXAS STATE-SAN MARCOS
10-16...at Sam Houston State
10-23...McNEESE STATE
10-30...at Central Arkansas
11-6...NORTHWESTERN STATE
11-13...at Stephen F. Austin
11-20...at Nicholls State
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:18 am
by slulionsfan
CatMom wrote:Actually the rule was changed in 2006 to 3/30. The ambiguity (or lack of clarity) comes into play when it states championship play, as it doesn't specify if that is for the team or conference or the FCS/FBS. It's also not so cut and dried if he came back to play too soon due to misdiagnoses or bad medical advice. (the latter being my opinion)
Regardless, he'll be back if cleared medically. It's just a matter if he will have 2 years left or just 1.
Nothing ambiguous about it...Texas State played an 11 game schedule...Bush participated in game six...he's not eligible for a medical redshirt.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:05 pm
by tampajag
TexasTerror wrote:CatMom wrote:Unless SFA gets a running game they are beatable. Please, I know you fawn over Moses but he can be stopped. Just ask Montana and TXST.
Montana vs SFA 51-0
TXST vs SFA 28-7
That's outscored and outplayed 79-7 in just 2 games. The key was forcing turnovers and shutting them down in the red zone. (Although UM just totally shut them down.)
Never "fawned" over Moses.
I said before the season and will say this again in my SLC review, that Moses was going to be made or broken by his ability to cut down on INTs. He did that this year. You brought up Montana - well the turnovers did show their head, did they not?
It also did not hurt that Vincent Pervis ended up being a solid running back for them. I know you say they did not have a running game, but Pervis was actually very servicable and averaged over 70 yards per game. Perhaps if Moses did not throw for long TDs as much, I figure that Pervis would have topped 80, 85 yards per game - if not more. Look for more Pervis next year...
CatMom wrote:UAlbany ain't Texas College.
No joke there! Poor Texas College, even Texas Southern took them to the woodshed.
CatMom wrote:SFA will have to be reckoned with. SELA - we'll see. MSU is alwas a force. Don't know about TXST yet. New QB, will Bush return? How will some of our RSfreshman perform? Hell, will we have a coaching staff actually tops my list right now

How many games did Bush play last year? Or part of? Trying to figure out what his medical redshirt possibilities will be...
SLU was on the verge of something before those last two games. They only lost to Nicholls, IMO - because the Colonels were emotional about the Jay Thomas situation and because SLU had already thrown away their chances at the SLC, playoffs.
McNeese should be interesting. They lost some play makers. I am interested to see how SHSU and Nicholls do with new coaches and who knows - perhaps NWST will turn the corner? Peveto does his work cut out for him, but perhaps those guys will get it together offensively?
Was that shot at Texas Southern really necessary or is that just a habit?
You know how you made your nice little speech on the past being the past? How about you leave your little cute unneeded comments over there in the graveyard.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:08 pm
by TexasTerror
tampajag wrote:Was that shot at Texas Southern really necessary or is that just a habit?
You know how you made your nice little speech on the past being the past? How about you leave your little cute unneeded comments over there in the graveyard.
A remark was made re: Texas College.
SFA is known as an offensive juggernaut - see their stats and record(s) this past year. None of us can claim that the "HOBO" is high-powered nor known for putting points on the board (scored 0 in two FBS games this year). It was a justified remark, that would have been used if any program not known for scoring posted 50+ points on them...
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:25 pm
by tampajag
TexasTerror wrote:tampajag wrote:Was that shot at Texas Southern really necessary or is that just a habit?
You know how you made your nice little speech on the past being the past? How about you leave your little cute unneeded comments over there in the graveyard.
A remark was made re: Texas College.
SFA is known as an offensive juggernaut - see their stats and record(s) this past year. None of us can claim that the "HOBO" is high-powered nor known for putting points on the board (scored 0 in two FBS games this year). It was a justified remark, that would have been used if any program not known for scoring posted 50+ points on them...
Basically this is all I'll say because I don't want to turn this into anything more than it is. If Catmom compared Texas College (a team SFA played) to Albany (a team SFA will play) there's no need to bring in a team C no matter who that team is.
With that said I'll move on so this topic can continue.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:30 pm
by slulionsfan
TexasTerror wrote:slulionsfan wrote:We return just about our entire team, which the exception of starting QB, RB, a couple of WRs and a LB...otherwise, just about our entire two-deep is back, plus we get SS Tommy Connors and DT Devin Boutwell back from injury...we do return an experienced QB in 5th year senior, Tyler Beatty, plus we have a talented redshirt sophomore-to-be who will push for the starting QB position...we also have to replace our kicker, but otherwise, we should field our best team since bringing football back in '03.
The only thing I worry about SLU is that they have two OOC games against FBS teams. While Tulane and ULM are not the toughest competition and there's a chance SLU may outdraw both at their home field, they are still FBS games...
Their road trips in conference, sans SFA are not so bad.
SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
9-2...at Tulane
9-11...TENNESSEE-MARTIN
9-18...LAMAR
9-25...at Louisiana-Monroe
10-2...TEXAS STATE-SAN MARCOS
10-16...at Sam Houston State
10-23...McNEESE STATE
10-30...at Central Arkansas
11-6...NORTHWESTERN STATE
11-13...at Stephen F. Austin
11-20...at Nicholls State
Having two FBS teams on the schedule - albeit "winnable" ones - does make it tough in terms of getting at-large consideration, but our goal is to win the league which would make it a moot point...that's a tough chore too, but we should have the necessary components to make a run at it.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:34 pm
by TexasTerror
slulionsfan wrote:Having two FBS teams on the schedule - albeit "winnable" ones - does make it tough in terms of getting at-large consideration, but our goal is to win the league which would make it a moot point...that's a tough chore too, but we should have the necessary components to make a run at it.
I am just hoping that we get two teams into the playoffs with a 20-team field. If we do not, it will be bad for the league and a setback towards the progress we've made...
Lamar can not get here soon enough as 2011 will make life much easier for accomplishing the task. Do you think SLU will still schedule two FBS when Lamar comes in?
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:55 pm
by slulionsfan
TexasTerror wrote:slulionsfan wrote:Having two FBS teams on the schedule - albeit "winnable" ones - does make it tough in terms of getting at-large consideration, but our goal is to win the league which would make it a moot point...that's a tough chore too, but we should have the necessary components to make a run at it.
I am just hoping that we get two teams into the playoffs with a 20-team field. If we do not, it will be bad for the league and a setback towards the progress we've made...
Lamar can not get here soon enough as 2011 will make life much easier for accomplishing the task. Do you think SLU will still schedule two FBS when Lamar comes in?
As long as there are budget issues, we'll do whatever we have to do to make sure the gaps are filled...if that means playing two FBS games, I'm sure we'll do it. I know we have Tulane on the schedule again in 2011 and I know we have a trip to Georgia Tech coming up...don't recall if it's 2011 or 2012.
Personally, I don't mind playing two FBS games if they're both ULM/Tulane/ULL caliber programs...they'll be tough games no doubt, but programs we should be able to matchup with and possibly beat. If we play a BCS program, I'd rather stick to playing just one.
Good thing about this year is we're getting paid a buyout from USM in addition to the paydays from both Tulane and ULM...and we don't have to jump on a plane!!
As far as the SLC getting two teams in next year...I don't see it happening. Just about everybody has to replace a QB, except for SFA, and they have other areas they have to replenish...there isn't much margin for error, early in the season, and that's when inexperienced QBs tend to struggle the most.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:12 pm
by CatMom
I'm not completely worried about Hawkins. He did get PT last year in 10 of our 11 games. Had a rushing and passing TD and a reception. Rushing was 165 yds on 20 carries (8.2 ypc). His passing eff was only 55.9 but he will get better. We have all our receivers (sans TE's) returning so I think he will settle in fairly quickly. George had a bullet arm and strength to match it but I think Tim will do just fine.
So, he's not a complete rookie. Just wish our first game wasn't our FBS.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:31 am
by TexasTerror
slulionsfan wrote:As far as the SLC getting two teams in next year...I don't see it happening. Just about everybody has to replace a QB, except for SFA, and they have other areas they have to replenish...there isn't much margin for error, early in the season, and that's when inexperienced QBs tend to struggle the most.
I disagree...
I think that we'll get an additional team in, as long as we can get seven wins out of someone. McNeese is going to have a tough road to accomplish that, just like SLU is. Would like to wish SHSU would do it since we do have a favorable schedule and let's keep in mind that Central Arkansas will be eligible next year, which helps.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:03 am
by slycat
The SLC is pretty wide open next year. As stated by others, I think SFA returns the best experience to help the team. Nicholls looks to struggle since they are changing their system.
UCA was "rebuilding" last year so they should be better this season as well.
The others will depend on how their new QBs fare.
Texas St has a lot riding on the health of Bush. Hopefully he will play like he did before his injury. If not there could be some growing pains for the team.
The Bobcat secondary looks to be much better this year with the addition of transfers and players back from injury. The main area where Bobcats have questions IMO is on both lines. Our o-line was great last year but some have graduated. I hope Hawkins steps up quick as well. Can't wait for spring training to get a better idea.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:33 pm
by slulionsfan
slycat wrote:The SLC is pretty wide open next year. As stated by others, I think SFA returns the best experience to help the team. Nicholls looks to struggle since they are changing their system.
UCA was "rebuilding" last year so they should be better this season as well.
The others will depend on how their new QBs fare.
Texas St has a lot riding on the health of Bush. Hopefully he will play like he did before his injury. If not there could be some growing pains for the team.
The Bobcat secondary looks to be much better this year with the addition of transfers and players back from injury. The main area where Bobcats have questions IMO is on both lines. Our o-line was great last year but some have graduated. I hope Hawkins steps up quick as well. Can't wait for spring training to get a better idea.
Actually, UCA will be "rebuilding" this year...last year, they had just about everything back except for a QB and TE, and they had some injuries at WR...but they returned both offensive and defensive lines, running backs, LBs, secondary, etc...this year, they lose most of their offensive and defensive lines, another starting QB, both running backs, a WR, a good LB...not saying they won't be able to replace those guys, but there will definitely be some question marks for the Bears heading into the fall.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:46 pm
by McNeese75
McNeese will return the entire defense and most of the offensive positions have experience returning other than QB

. That along with two FBS games (Missouri and LSU) and the Lamar game not counting as a qualifying game is going to make it very difficult for the Pokes to get an at large. BUT, you can be sure we will stir the pot hard in the SLC

Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:05 pm
by JohnStOnge
Ditto on the McNeese situation. It's looking like it'll all come down to finding an at least adequate quarterback. They should be better in the offensive line, about the same at receiver, about the same at running back (even with the loss of Pendland), and better on defense. If by some miracle they can find somebody to step in and play quarterback well they could be better than last year and have a shot at competing for the conference championship.
Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:50 pm
by UCABEAR
slulionsfan wrote:Actually, UCA will be "rebuilding" this year...last year, they had just about everything back except for a QB and TE, and they had some injuries at WR...but they returned both offensive and defensive lines, running backs, LBs, secondary, etc...this year, they lose most of their offensive and defensive lines, another starting QB, both running backs, a WR, a good LB...not saying they won't be able to replace those guys, but there will definitely be some question marks for the Bears heading into the fall.
I like that insight. Coach has already said that his recruting went much better than he expected, but even so replacing that lineup that lost their games by an average of 3 points, tells us the SLC is gonna be tough or UCA just didn't have the QB to make it work. Either way, I think UCA is "rebuilding" this year. All new coaches minus Conque, he'll be back. UCA's first year as full fledge members in football. Post season eligible and we are rebuilding. LOL. Oh well, I cheer them on anyway!
UCA will unveil a new Bear logo next week. Not sure what it is but the website has a teaser

Re: Southland in 2010
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:26 pm
by MaximumBobcat
UCABEAR wrote: Not sure what it is but the website has a teaser

I'm going to guess it's a purple bear growling.
Seriously though, it looks pretty good from that little snippet.
Just get rid of that godawful UCA font you guys wear on your helmets...it's soooo....1997.