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Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:06 pm
by kalm
Imagine an 11 game schedule where every opponent is ranked, that includes 7 top 5 teams, 9 power conference champions, 2 national champions, 2 national runners up, and 9 away games.

That's what the big sky at large bids have faced since 2004, and they are 4-7.

Respectable?

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:16 pm
by DJH
how many of those 4 wins are owned by Montana? or have they been the auto-bid all those years?

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:21 pm
by JayJ79
Every at-large team in the playoffs will face a ranked opponent.
Heck, almost every playoff participant is ranked (the only exception being the occasional auto-qualifier from a weak league, and those go to power conference auto-qualifiers).

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:27 pm
by kalm
none of those are Montana wins, and you're right about the inclusion of ranked teams, 7 in the top 5 is enough.

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:31 pm
by Mvemjsunpx
kalm wrote:none of those are Montana wins
There should be some. Montana was an at-large last season.

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:17 pm
by BlueHen86
kalm wrote:Imagine an 11 game schedule where every opponent is ranked, that includes 7 top 5 teams, 9 power conference champions, 2 national champions, 2 national runners up, and 9 away games.

That's what the big sky at large bids have faced since 2004, and they are 4-7.

Respectable?
Yeah, it is respectable. 4-7 isn't great, but when you figure 9 of the games were on the road, most likely against another power conference school with an equal or better W - L record, I'd say 4-7 is respectable.

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:19 pm
by kalm
Mvemjsunpx wrote:
kalm wrote:none of those are Montana wins
There should be some. Montana was an at-large last season.
Technically you're right which makes the #'s look even better.

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:29 pm
by UNHWildCats
Since 2004 these are the records of the big 4 conferences in the playoffs when not facing a conference mate.

Big Sky 12-11 .522
CAA 28-13 .683
MVFC 13-11 .542
SoCon 17-8 .680

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:35 pm
by kalm
UNHWildCats wrote:Since 2004 these are the records of the big 4 conferences in the playoffs when not facing a conference mate.

Big Sky 12-11 .522
CAA 28-13 .683
MVFC 13-11 .542
SoCon 17-8 .680
So now were 6-7 without any games against the patriot, ovc, or meac and frequently against a mvc or slc champ and/or a seed.

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:50 pm
by native
DJH wrote:how many of those 4 wins are owned by Montana? or have they been the auto-bid all those years?
Last year, Weber beat #3 Cal Poly in the first round and on the road.

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:52 pm
by native
UNHWildCats wrote:Since 2004 these are the records of the big 4 conferences in the playoffs when not facing a conference mate.

Big Sky 12-11 .522
CAA 28-13 .683
MVFC 13-11 .542
SoCon 17-8 .680
A lot more similar than one would imagine from all the extreme homer posts. It makes me want to congratulate all four conferences! :thumb:

Re: Brutal

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:54 pm
by native
Mvemjsunpx wrote:
kalm wrote:none of those are Montana wins
There should be some. Montana was an at-large last season.
Even though Weber won the auto-bid by virtue of the head-to-head victory over Montana, Montana was a seed due to WSU's loss to EWU in the last regular season game.