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Jon - you're missing #19 Holy Cross

danefan wrote:Jon - you're missing #19 Holy Cross

As we were talking yesterday, I think about 19 is where they should be. What is your thought on them being in that spot DF?

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

danefan wrote:Jon - you're missing #19 Holy Cross

As we were talking yesterday, I think about 19 is where they should be. What is your thought on them being in that spot DF?

Not sure if you saw it earlier this morning Ursus, but when dbj first posted the poll a few hours there was no #19 in the ranking at all. It was omitted

bandl wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: As we were talking yesterday, I think about 19 is where they should be. What is your thought on them being in that spot DF?

Not sure if you saw it earlier this morning Ursus, but when dbj first posted the poll a few hours there was no #19 in the ranking at all. It was omitted

I saw it. I had to edit my pick em because i copied and pasted and was also missing HC

Mostly good poll. Penn though?

bandl wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: As we were talking yesterday, I think about 19 is where they should be. What is your thought on them being in that spot DF?

Not sure if you saw it earlier this morning Ursus, but when dbj first posted the poll a few hours there was no #19 in the ranking at all. It was omitted

I did not see that but it was on the original in the poll forum so I assume dbj may have just missed it in the copy and paste venture.

dbackjon wrote:Mostly good poll. Penn though?

Damn right! Best defense I've seen all year.

danefan in 5-4-3-2-...

dbackjon wrote:Mostly good poll. Penn though?

Yeah I had Penn at 23 I think. It's the first time I've had an Ivy League in this year I think. I don't know if they are tougher than NAU or Delaware but I did them give them a nod by one spot based on the records. As I've said before down in the 20-25 range I ain't gonna argue with the picks too much as they just don't matter enough. I can't figure out who is slightly more or less mediocre in that range.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Mostly good poll. Penn though?

Yeah I had Penn at 23 I think. It's the first time I've had an Ivy League in this year I think. I don't know if they are tougher than NAU or Delaware but I did them give them a nod by one spot based on the records. As I've said before down in the 20-25 range I ain't gonna argue with the picks too much as they just don't matter enough. I can't figure out who is slightly more or less mediocre in that range.

I had Penn in at the 23-25 range. UD or NAU may beat them, but right now I have Penn in. NAU and UD were 2 of my first out.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

danefan wrote:Jon - you're missing #19 Holy Cross

As we were talking yesterday, I think about 19 is where they should be. What is your thought on them being in that spot DF?

HC at #19 is fine. I have them at #23, but that's because i think Delaware and Montana State are much stronger than HC. HC can score in the PL all they want, but your're talking about an offense that hasn't exactly faced the best secondaries and D-lines in the country.

I don't think Colgate should be in the Poll at all though.

Ivytalk wrote:
Damn right! Best defense I've seen all year.

danefan in 5-4-3-2-...

Not so fast my friend! I have Penn at 25 in my poll.

They should not be ranked above Lafayette though.

dbackjon wrote:Mostly good poll. Penn though?

Penn's a good addition to the bottom of any poll. Loss at Villanova and a three point loss on the road to Lafayette. Plus they went undefeated in the Ivy League. I actually had them in at #25 last week. Moved them up to #22 after beating Harvard. Preseason I had them second behind Harvard in the Ivy so I've kind of had my eye on them. Pretty solid club, and a pretty good pick. I probably would not consider them higher than #20 right now, though.

dbackjon wrote:1 Southern Illinois Salukis
2 Villanova Wildcats
3 Montana Grizzlies
4 Richmond Spiders
5 William & Mary Tribe
6 Appalachian State Mountaineers
7 South Carolina State Bulldogs
8 New Hampshire Wildcats
9 McNeese State Cowboys
10 Elon Phoenix
11 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12 Northern Iowa Panthers
13 Eastern Illinois Panthers
14 Eastern Washington Eagles
15 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
16 Weber State Wildcats
17 Liberty Flames
18 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19 Holy Cross Crusaders
20 Montana State Bobcats
21 Prairie View A&M Panthers
22 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23 Colgate Raiders
24 Pennsylvania Quakers
25 Lafayette Leopards

Lafayette beat Penn and Colgate --just saying

danefan wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: As we were talking yesterday, I think about 19 is where they should be. What is your thought on them being in that spot DF?

HC at #19 is fine. I have them at #23, but that's because i think Delaware and Montana State are much stronger than HC. HC can score in the PL all they want, but your're talking about an offense that hasn't exactly faced the best secondaries and D-lines in the country.

I don't think Colgate should be in the Poll at all though.

Ivytalk wrote:
Damn right! Best defense I've seen all year.

danefan in 5-4-3-2-...

Not so fast my friend! I have Penn at 25 in my poll.

They should not be ranked above Lafayette though.

Well South Carolina State is arguably even with Holy Cross (same conference strength etc.) Why are they in the top 10?

Franks Tanks wrote:

dbackjon wrote:1 Southern Illinois Salukis
2 Villanova Wildcats
3 Montana Grizzlies
4 Richmond Spiders
5 William & Mary Tribe
6 Appalachian State Mountaineers
7 South Carolina State Bulldogs
8 New Hampshire Wildcats
9 McNeese State Cowboys
10 Elon Phoenix
11 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12 Northern Iowa Panthers
13 Eastern Illinois Panthers
14 Eastern Washington Eagles
15 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
16 Weber State Wildcats
17 Liberty Flames
18 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19 Holy Cross Crusaders
20 Montana State Bobcats
21 Prairie View A&M Panthers
22 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23 Colgate Raiders
24 Pennsylvania Quakers
25 Lafayette Leopards

Lafayette beat Penn and Colgate --just saying

I had Lafayette up around 19 I think last week but the loss dropped em' a few spots.

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

Franks Tanks wrote:
Lafayette beat Penn and Colgate --just saying

I had Lafayette up around 19 I think last week but the loss dropped em' a few spots.

I agree Lafayette deserves no better than one of the last few spots at this point

Franks Tanks wrote:

danefan wrote:
HC at #19 is fine. I have them at #23, but that's because i think Delaware and Montana State are much stronger than HC. HC can score in the PL all they want, but your're talking about an offense that hasn't exactly faced the best secondaries and D-lines in the country.

I don't think Colgate should be in the Poll at all though.



Not so fast my friend! I have Penn at 25 in my poll.

They should not be ranked above Lafayette though.

Well South Carolina State is arguably even with Holy Cross (same conference strength etc.) Why are they in the top 10?

I've seen both play and I think SCSU is way better than HC. Irrespective of conference strengths. SCSU may have 2 or 3 wins in them in the playoffs. I don't think there's much chance for HC to get out of the first round.

BTW, I missed SCSU in the top 10. I think #7 is too high. I've got them at #12.

Franks Tanks wrote:

danefan wrote:
HC at #19 is fine. I have them at #23, but that's because i think Delaware and Montana State are much stronger than HC. HC can score in the PL all they want, but your're talking about an offense that hasn't exactly faced the best secondaries and D-lines in the country.

I don't think Colgate should be in the Poll at all though.



Not so fast my friend! I have Penn at 25 in my poll.

They should not be ranked above Lafayette though.

Well South Carolina State is arguably even with Holy Cross (same conference strength etc.) Why are they in the top 10?

SC State's only loss is to SEC's South Carolina. Holy Cross only loss is to Brown. A bit of discrepancy there, I'd say.

JALMOND wrote:

Franks Tanks wrote:
Well South Carolina State is arguably even with Holy Cross (same conference strength etc.) Why are they in the top 10?

SC State's only loss is to SEC's South Carolina. Holy Cross only loss is to Brown. A bit of discrepancy there, I'd say.

Using the old adage--who has SCSU beat?

This is the game played againt PL schools all the time. Who did you beat...well who has SCSU beaten out of the MEAC? If you want to use that arguement for the PL it has to be applied to other conferences.

Franks Tanks wrote:

JALMOND wrote:
SC State's only loss is to SEC's South Carolina. Holy Cross only loss is to Brown. A bit of discrepancy there, I'd say.

Using the old adage--who has SCSU beat?

This is the game played againt PL schools all the time. Who did you beat...well who has SCSU beaten out of the MEAC? If you want to use that arguement for the PL it has to be applied to other conferences.

I don't really know what you are getting at, but it is your right not to see why a loss to South Carolina isn't any different than a loss to Brown. Being objective and stepping out of the PL, I think you would see it, though.