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CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:36 pm
by dbackjon
1 - Southern Illinois Salukis
2 - Villanova Wildcats
3 - Montana Grizzlies
4 - Richmond Spiders
5 - William & Mary Tribe
6 - Elon Phoenix
7 - New Hampshire Wildcats
8 - Appalachian State Mountaineers
9 - South Carolina State Bulldogs
10 - McNeese State Cowboys
11 - Northern Iowa Panthers
12 - South Dakota State Jackrabbits
13 - Eastern Illinois Panthers
14 - Eastern Washington Eagles
15 - Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
16 - Liberty Flames
17 - Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18 - Weber State Wildcats
19 - Holy Cross Crusaders
20 - Florida A&M Rattlers
21 - Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22 - Lafayette Leopards
23 - Texas State Bobcats
24 - Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
25 - Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:52 am
by ToTheLeft
LU is 16th across the board... Sheesh, can we be ANY MORE on the "bubble" than being the 16th best team in the country?
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:12 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:24 - Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
So are you going to say this is a crappy poll?
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:34 am
by dbackjon
89Hen wrote:dbackjon wrote:24 - Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
So are you going to say this is a crappy poll?
No - this is one thing that makes this poll superior to the others.
NAU lost to a very good FBS team -no reason to drop them, just as I won't penalize Delaware if they lose to Navy this week.
NAU is just as deserving, if not more of a top 25 spot than the teams behind them.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:35 am
by danefan
Another pretty good poll. I didn't have Liberty quite as high and I completely missed the memo on Texas State and SELA.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:59 am
by Ivytalk
How many voters this week, boys?
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:09 am
by 93henfan
Decent looking poll, IMHO.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:36 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:No - this is one thing that makes this poll superior to the others.
NAU lost to a very good FBS team -no reason to drop them, just as I won't penalize Delaware if they lose to Navy this week.
NAU is just as deserving, if not more of a top 25 spot than the teams behind them.
I was talking about how low they were ranked. NAU is #29 in AGS
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:37 am
by 89Hen
Ivytalk wrote:How many voters this week, boys?
Here we go again.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:39 am
by JMU DJ
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:45 am
by danefan
Yeah, I don't get that either. I have SDSU at #8 and UNI at #10.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:48 am
by dbackjon
I have SDSU ahead of UNI as well.
Gap is closer than in other polls, I believe
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:40 am
by 89Hen
dbackjon wrote:I have SDSU ahead of UNI as well.
Gap is closer than in other polls, I believe
Actually the AGS, TSN, Coaches and CS ALL have:
11. UNI
12. SDSU
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:46 am
by JMU DJ
89Hen wrote:dbackjon wrote:I have SDSU ahead of UNI as well.
Gap is closer than in other polls, I believe
Actually the AGS, TSN, Coaches and CS ALL have:
11. UNI
12. SDSU
[sarcasm on] Good work by everyone on their polls this week
[sarcasm off]
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:21 pm
by Screamin_Eagle174
JMU DJ wrote:89Hen wrote:
Actually the AGS, TSN, Coaches and CS ALL have:
11. UNI
12. SDSU
[sarcasm on] Good work by everyone on their polls this week
[sarcasm off]
If we ranked teams ahead of other teams they beat every week, any poll would be impossible by midway through the season. It's a complete body of work, but also reflects that weeks' games. SDSU got crushed by SIU, and UNI blazed through YSU. If UNI had been lower, or SDSU higher before this weeks' games, SDSU would still be above UNI. But since they weren't, you have exactly what happened. A consensus.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:23 pm
by danefan
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:JMU DJ wrote:
[sarcasm on] Good work by everyone on their polls this week
[sarcasm off]
If we ranked teams ahead of other teams they beat every week, any poll would be impossible by midway through the season. It's a complete body of work, but also reflects that weeks' games. SDSU got crushed by SIU, and UNI blazed through YSU. If UNI had been lower, or SDSU higher before this weeks' games, SDSU would still be above UNI. But since they weren't, you have exactly what happened. A consensus.
I agree to some extent, but when you do your poll and you end up with conference-mates near each other, it makes sense to take a look at head-to-head and ask yourself whether the rest of the results is enough to outweigh the head-to-head.
I don't think UNI has done anything worthy of being bumped above SDSU who won head-to-head.
Compare that McNeese and App State where I have no problem ranking App State ahead of McNeese despite the head-to-head.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:27 pm
by wideright82
danefan wrote:Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
If we ranked teams ahead of other teams they beat every week, any poll would be impossible by midway through the season. It's a complete body of work, but also reflects that weeks' games. SDSU got crushed by SIU, and UNI blazed through YSU. If UNI had been lower, or SDSU higher before this weeks' games, SDSU would still be above UNI. But since they weren't, you have exactly what happened. A consensus.
I agree to some extent, but when you do your poll and you end up with conference-mates near each other, it makes sense to take a look at head-to-head and ask yourself whether the rest of the results is enough to outweigh the head-to-head.
I don't think UNI has done anything worthy of being bumped above SDSU who won head-to-head.
Compare that McNeese and App State where I have no problem ranking App State ahead of McNeese despite the head-to-head.
or villanova over unh
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:30 pm
by JMU DJ
danefan wrote:Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
If we ranked teams ahead of other teams they beat every week, any poll would be impossible by midway through the season. It's a complete body of work, but also reflects that weeks' games. SDSU got crushed by SIU, and UNI blazed through YSU. If UNI had been lower, or SDSU higher before this weeks' games, SDSU would still be above UNI. But since they weren't, you have exactly what happened. A consensus.
I agree to some extent, but when you do your poll and you end up with conference-mates near each other, it makes sense to take a look at head-to-head and ask yourself whether the rest of the results is enough to outweigh the head-to-head.
I don't think UNI has done anything worthy of being bumped above SDSU who won head-to-head.
Compare that McNeese and App State where I have no problem ranking App State ahead of McNeese despite the head-to-head.
What he said + SDSU had a better overall/conference record. The overall record may even up this weekend when they play FBS Minnesota, but I don't see SDSU falling behind UNI in the conference.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:51 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
It's this weeks poll and reflects how the teams looked this week. If it isn't that then Montana wouldn't have dropped. Quit bitchin' about a one place differential about the teams. This week UNI looked just strong enough to overtake SDSU which looked pretty bad at home agains SIU.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:07 pm
by McNeese75
danefan wrote:Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
If we ranked teams ahead of other teams they beat every week, any poll would be impossible by midway through the season. It's a complete body of work, but also reflects that weeks' games. SDSU got crushed by SIU, and UNI blazed through YSU. If UNI had been lower, or SDSU higher before this weeks' games, SDSU would still be above UNI. But since they weren't, you have exactly what happened. A consensus.
I agree to some extent, but when you do your poll and you end up with conference-mates near each other, it makes sense to take a look at head-to-head and ask yourself whether the rest of the results is enough to outweigh the head-to-head.
I don't think UNI has done anything worthy of being bumped above SDSU who won head-to-head.
Compare that McNeese and App State where I have no problem ranking App State ahead of McNeese despite the head-to-head.
HATER!!!
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:41 pm
by CatMom
danefan wrote:Another pretty good poll. I didn't have Liberty quite as high and I completely missed the memo on Texas State and SELA.
Here's the memo danefan
SLC standings
MSU 4 - 1 beat SELA, has TXST and UCA left
SFA 4 - 1 beat MSU & UCA has SELA & NWS left
SELA 4 - 1 beat TXST & UCA, has SFA & Nicholls left
TXST 4 - 1 beat SFA & UCA, has MSU and SAM left
UCA was overrated because they won some early, yet non-descript, games and were kept in the polls because too many thought they were the team to beat after last year. UCA is 2-3 in conference and it is likely going to get worse.
TXST beat SFA and I think SELA has a better than average chance of doing the same to them this week.
The SLC really all comes down to this weekend IMHO. Although the last week MSU/UCA could be interesting.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:56 pm
by clenz
danefan wrote:Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
If we ranked teams ahead of other teams they beat every week, any poll would be impossible by midway through the season. It's a complete body of work, but also reflects that weeks' games. SDSU got crushed by SIU, and UNI blazed through YSU. If UNI had been lower, or SDSU higher before this weeks' games, SDSU would still be above UNI. But since they weren't, you have exactly what happened. A consensus.
I agree to some extent, but when you do your poll and you end up with conference-mates near each other, it makes sense to take a look at head-to-head and ask yourself whether the rest of the results is enough to outweigh the head-to-head.
I don't think UNI has done anything worthy of being bumped above SDSU who won head-to-head.
Compare that McNeese and App State where I have no problem ranking App State ahead of McNeese despite the head-to-head.
UNI didn't jump a head of anybody. Aren't they right were they were last week? SDSU laid a god dammed egg. At least UNI put up a fight before rolling over.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:14 pm
by JMU DJ
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:It's this weeks poll and reflects how the teams looked this week. If it isn't that then Montana wouldn't have dropped. Quit bitchin' about a one place differential about the teams. This week UNI looked just strong enough to overtake SDSU which looked pretty bad at home agains SIU.
Ahhhh, got it. So we vote for how the teams have performed on a weekly basis and don't worry about how they've performed over the course of the entire season.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:32 pm
by GOKATS
JMU DJ wrote:Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:It's this weeks poll and reflects how the teams looked this week. If it isn't that then Montana wouldn't have dropped. Quit bitchin' about a one place differential about the teams. This week UNI looked just strong enough to overtake SDSU which looked pretty bad at home agains SIU.
Ahhhh, got it. So we vote for how the teams have performed on a weekly basis and don't worry about how they've performed over the course of the entire season.
If that was the case the griz wouldn't be in the top 25 this week.
Re: CS.com Poll - Week 10
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:33 pm
by Ursus A. Horribilis
JMU DJ wrote:Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:It's this weeks poll and reflects how the teams looked this week. If it isn't that then Montana wouldn't have dropped. Quit bitchin' about a one place differential about the teams. This week UNI looked just strong enough to overtake SDSU which looked pretty bad at home agains SIU.
Ahhhh, got it. So we vote for how the teams have performed on a weekly basis and don't worry about how they've performed over the course of the entire season.
No sir you are still misunderstanding my point but that's my fault as I didn't make it real clear. I don't know how you do it as that is up to you but how I do it is to evaluate the teams thus far while taking into account there last performance and thereby adding a little of the "who's hot right now" factor. You see I'm not gonna punish UNI again when I already doled out there punishment once when they lost to SIU and again when they lost to SDSU. Now this week they right the ship a little and I should punish them again by one spot because SDSU had a bad game? That I can't do unless they show they have a proclivity for losing.
I try to evaluate the teams position (their resume got them there) and then make the adjustment as to what they are doing right now. Now if next week UNI throws a clunker in comparison to SDSU then I could see the better team trading places again. I hope that's a better job of splainin'.
