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1: Richmond Spiders
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Villanova Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: South Carolina State Bulldogs
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Massachusetts Minutemen
20: Eastern Illinois Panthers
21: Liberty Flames
22: Lafayette Leopards
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Albany Great Danes

1: Richmond Spiders
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Elon Phoenix
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: South Carolina State Bulldogs
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: Cal Poly Mustangs
18: Massachusetts Minutemen
19: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Eastern Illinois Panthers
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

I just can't put Liberty in here.

1: Richmond Spiders
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Elon Phoenix
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Appalachian State Mountaineers
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Cal Poly Mustangs
13: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
16: South Carolina State Bulldogs
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Massachusetts Minutemen
19: McNeese State Cowboys
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Eastern Illinois Panthers
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Liberty Flames
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Lafayette Leopards

EKU lost to Austin Peay, dude. You really think they're better than LU?

Montana State would make sense, even Colgate or Penn. But Austin Mother Freakin' Peay?

Cmon now...

ToTheLeft wrote:EKU lost to Austin Peay, dude. You really think they're better than LU?

Montana State would make sense, even Colgate or Penn. But Austin Mother Freakin' Peay?

Cmon now...

Flame on brother.....flame on!

That loss to AP flew under the radar for a lot of people this week.

ToTheLeft wrote:EKU lost to Austin Peay, dude. You really think they're better than LU?

Montana State would make sense, even Colgate or Penn. But Austin Mother Freakin' Peay?

Cmon now...

Well they at least have a win over an un-ranked team, unlike Liberty. The only other team I might have put in at #25 was Lafayette. BTW they beat Penn.
The bigger problem is when you get down to the last 2-3 it is more like throwing darts, nobody really stands out.

polsongrizz wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:EKU lost to Austin Peay, dude. You really think they're better than LU?

Montana State would make sense, even Colgate or Penn. But Austin Mother Freakin' Peay?

Cmon now...

Well they at least have a win over an un-ranked team, unlike Liberty. The only other team I might have put in at #25 was Lafayette. BTW they beat Penn.

Okay, I assume you mean ranked team. And if you're considering Lafayette, why isn't Liberty ahead of them, too? Ya know, since Liberty beat Lafayette. At Lafayette.

EKU has lost to Tennessee St. and Austin Peay. Liberty has lost to West Virginia and James Madison. If a loss to JMU keeps LU out, a loss to AP and TSU should put EKU in the 40's or 50's. Just don't follow the logic man...

ToTheLeft wrote:

polsongrizz wrote: Well they at least have a win over an un-ranked team, unlike Liberty. The only other team I might have put in at #25 was Lafayette. BTW they beat Penn.

Okay, I assume you mean ranked team. And if you're considering Lafayette, why isn't Liberty ahead of them, too? Ya know, since Liberty beat Lafayette. At Lafayette.

EKU has lost to Tennessee St. and Austin Peay. Liberty has lost to West Virginia and James Madison. If a loss to JMU keeps LU out, a loss to AP and TSU should put EKU in the 40's or 50's. Just don't follow the logic man...

Better wins than Liberty.

1. Montana
2. Richmond
3. SIU
4. Elon
5. Villanova
6. SDSU
7. Weber State
8. Delaware
9. William & Mary
10. App State
11. UNH
12. NAU
13. SFA
14. Cal Poly
15. UNI
16. UCA
17. McNeese State
18. Umass
19. EWU
20. Missouri State
21. South Carolina St
22. EIU
23. Albany
24. Prairie View
25. Holy Cross

Prairie View???

Nothing to hide. This week (last week). Took the opportunity to clean up some things.

1. Richmond (1)
2. Southern Illinois (2)
3. Montana (3)
4. Villanova (4)
5. Elon (6)
6. William & Mary (7)
7. Appalachian State (8)
8. New Hampshire (9)
9. Northern Iowa (5)
10. Delaware (14)
11. Weber State (11)
12. South Carolina State (12)
13. South Dakota State (17)
14. Stephen F Austin (19)
15. Central Arkansas (16)
16. Northern Arizona (18)
17. McNeese State (13)
18. UMass (15)
19. Florida A&M (21)
20. Eastern Illinois (NR)
21. Cal Poly (22)
22. Jacksonville State (10)
23. Liberty (24)
24. Holy Cross (NR)
25. Gardner Webb (NR)

dbackjon wrote:Prairie View???

Prairie View > Jacsonville State > Liberty > Lafayette

AZGrizFan wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Prairie View???

Prairie View > Jacsonville State > Liberty > Lafayette

I don't see that at all.

Really?

Maybe equal to Lafayette, but greater than JSU and Liberty?

JSU and Liberty both played good BCS teams tough.

Did you watch the PVA&M game on TV the other night? They didn't look good at all.

danefan wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Prairie View > Jacsonville State > Liberty > Lafayette

I don't see that at all.

Really?

Maybe equal to Lafayette, but greater than JSU and Liberty?

JSU and Liberty both played good BCS teams tough.

Did you watch the PVA&M game on TV the other night? They didn't look good at all.

Yes I did. Look what "playing good BCS teams tough" has gotten UNI....moral victories don't count, fellas. JSU just got ROLLED by the first decent FCS team they played. Personally, I feel that SWAC competition is better than PL or Big South. CONSIDERABLY better than Big South. Liberty's best "game" was a LOSS to a 2-5 JMU team. Lafayette LOST TO LIBERTY!

None of these teams are barnburners....and there's a SIGNIFICANT drop-off in talent level after #19.

AZGrizFan wrote:

danefan wrote:
I don't see that at all.

Really?

Maybe equal to Lafayette, but greater than JSU and Liberty?

JSU and Liberty both played good BCS teams tough.

Did you watch the PVA&M game on TV the other night? They didn't look good at all.

Yes I did. Look what "playing good BCS teams tough" has gotten UNI....moral victories don't count, fellas. JSU just got ROLLED by the first decent FCS team they played. Personally, I feel that SWAC competition is better than PL or Big South. CONSIDERABLY better than Big South. Liberty's best "game" was a LOSS to a 2-5 JMU team. Lafayette LOST TO LIBERTY!

None of these teams are barnburners....and there's a SIGNIFICANT drop-off in talent level after #19.

Your opinion on the level of the SWAC is where you lose me. Your analysis is logical from there on, but I don't see what makes you think the SWAC competition is better than the PL or Big South?

They are a lot like the Ivy league in that they don't tend to schedule many outside the HBCU realm.

danefan wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:
Yes I did. Look what "playing good BCS teams tough" has gotten UNI....moral victories don't count, fellas. JSU just got ROLLED by the first decent FCS team they played. Personally, I feel that SWAC competition is better than PL or Big South. CONSIDERABLY better than Big South. Liberty's best "game" was a LOSS to a 2-5 JMU team. Lafayette LOST TO LIBERTY!

None of these teams are barnburners....and there's a SIGNIFICANT drop-off in talent level after #19.

Your opinion on the level of the SWAC is where you lose me. Your analysis is logical from there on, but I don't see what makes you think the SWAC competition is better than the PL or Big South?

They are a lot like the Ivy league in that they don't tend to schedule many outside the HBCU realm.

a) they play more bruthas.
b) At that point in the poll, does it really matter?

polsongrizz wrote:

ToTheLeft wrote:
Okay, I assume you mean ranked team. And if you're considering Lafayette, why isn't Liberty ahead of them, too? Ya know, since Liberty beat Lafayette. At Lafayette.

EKU has lost to Tennessee St. and Austin Peay. Liberty has lost to West Virginia and James Madison. If a loss to JMU keeps LU out, a loss to AP and TSU should put EKU in the 40's or 50's. Just don't follow the logic man...

Better wins than Liberty.

Wins? Multiple? Hah. Explain that one to me. EIU is slightly better than a win over Lafayette, by your own admittance, since EIU is barely higher than where Lafayette would be hypothetically. Who else has EKU beat?

UTM, who has only beaten SEMO St., Murray State, and a Sub DI
Murray State, who has only beaten TSU and a Sub DI
Tennessee Tech, who has 3 OVC wins, none over EIU or JSU, and a sub DI.

Liberty has beaten Lafayette and Coastal Carolina, who has at least won something out of conference. (Monmouth and NCA&T) And then a couple of scrub wins. I would say LU's wins are equal. No clear advantage to either team...

Both have respectable FBS losses.

So then it comes down to FCS losses... JMU in their last game with healthy Dudzik, or Austin Peay AND Tenn. St?

I think LU wins that battle.

Pick away. I always like a lil' feedback to consider for next week.

1. Richmond
2. Southern Illinois
3. Montana
4. New Hampshire
5. Villanova
6. Elon
7. William & Mary
8. Appalachian St.
9. South Dakota St.
10. Northern Iowa
11. South Carolina St.
12. Delaware
13. Weber St.
14. Stephen F. Austin
15. Central Arkansas
16. McNeese St.
17. Massachusetts
18. Northern Arizona
19. Cal Poly
20. Liberty
21. Florida A&M
22. Eastern Washington
23. Eastern Illinois
24. Albany
25. Jacksonville St

1. Richmond
2. Montana
3. Southern Illinois
4. Villanova
5. Elon
6. William & Mary
7. New Hampshire
8. Appalachian St.
9. Weber St.
10. South Dakota St.
11. Delaware
12. South Carolina St.
13. Stephen F. Austin
14. McNeese St.
15. Northern Iowa
16. Northern Arizona
17. Central Arkansas
18. Florida A&M
19. Eastern Washington
20. Liberty
21. Holy Cross
22. Massachusetts
23. Cal Poly
24. Jacksonville St.
25. Eastern Illinois

AZGrizFan wrote:

danefan wrote:
Your opinion on the level of the SWAC is where you lose me. Your analysis is logical from there on, but I don't see what makes you think the SWAC competition is better than the PL or Big South?

They are a lot like the Ivy league in that they don't tend to schedule many outside the HBCU realm.

a) they play more bruthas.
b) At that point in the poll, does it really matter?

It matters to fans of the teams that are in that range of the poll.

And I'd give you the edge on more bruthas.

AZGrizFan wrote: Yes I did. Look what "playing good BCS teams tough" has gotten UNI....moral victories don't count, fellas. JSU just got ROLLED by the first decent FCS team they played. Personally, I feel that SWAC competition is better than PL or Big South. CONSIDERABLY better than Big South. Liberty's best "game" was a LOSS to a 2-5 JMU team. Lafayette LOST TO LIBERTY!

The Big South beats up on the MEAC, which is always rated higher than the SWAC (We would probably play the SWAC if they weren't in the middle of nowhere).

And Liberty's best games are wins over CCU by blowout, tough road win over Lafayette, and a respectable loss to WVU. The JMU game was our worst game.

If you mean the best game on our schedule in terms of the Big South, it was the crown jewel I guess, but how were we supposed to know their starting QB and multiple other starters would be gone? Liberty over Lafayette and SBU against UMass were probably the best games for the conference, and both were losses, but no one thinks the Big South is better than the CAA. But it is better than the SWAC, that's for darn sure.

dbackjon wrote:Prairie View???

He thinks they play in the west.

ToTheLeft wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote: Yes I did. Look what "playing good BCS teams tough" has gotten UNI....moral victories don't count, fellas. JSU just got ROLLED by the first decent FCS team they played. Personally, I feel that SWAC competition is better than PL or Big South. CONSIDERABLY better than Big South. Liberty's best "game" was a LOSS to a 2-5 JMU team. Lafayette LOST TO LIBERTY!

The Big South beats up on the MEAC, which is always rated higher than the SWAC (We would probably play the SWAC if they weren't in the middle of nowhere).

And Liberty's best games are wins over CCU by blowout, tough road win over Lafayette, and a respectable loss to WVU. The JMU game was our worst game.

If you mean the best game on our schedule in terms of the Big South, it was the crown jewel I guess, but how were we supposed to know their starting QB and multiple other starters would be gone? Liberty over Lafayette and SBU against UMass were probably the best games for the conference, and both were losses, but no one thinks the Big South is better than the CAA. But it is better than the SWAC, that's for darn sure.

You can say that again...

89Hen wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Prairie View???

He thinks they play in the west.

No. The SOUTH west. Dummy.

mcveyrl wrote:Pick away. I always like a lil' feedback to consider for next week.

4. New Hampshire
5. Villanova
7. William & Mary

I assume you're going on UNH beat Nova and Nova beat W&M but forgiving UNH's loss to UMass. What happens if W&M beats UNH?