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FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
“Look at what we did the last three seasons.”
(Got blown out against decent competition like SELA?”)
FAMU’s plight was mentioned as unfair by several playoff TV guys this passed weekend too. There are dozens of people on this CS and AGS alone who understand selection metrics better than this coach and ESPN.
(Got blown out against decent competition like SELA?”)
FAMU’s plight was mentioned as unfair by several playoff TV guys this passed weekend too. There are dozens of people on this CS and AGS alone who understand selection metrics better than this coach and ESPN.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
He's not wrong that there's bias, but it's bias towards teams and conferences that have shown they can actually compete in the playoffs.
If you replaced Montana with FAMU, is there anyone that doesn't think they get blown out playing SEMO, even at home? They got it right putting Delaware and Montana in over the other bubble teams.
If you replaced Montana with FAMU, is there anyone that doesn't think they get blown out playing SEMO, even at home? They got it right putting Delaware and Montana in over the other bubble teams.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
As the saying goes that the conference is only as good as the weakest link right now Jackson St is carrying the SWAC and I wished that the Tigers were going to be in the FCS PLAYOFFS but they are thinking about the Celebration Bowl.uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:22 am He's not wrong that there's bias, but it's bias towards teams and conferences that have shown they can actually compete in the playoffs.
If you replaced Montana with FAMU, is there anyone that doesn't think they get blown out playing SEMO, even at home? They got it right putting Delaware and Montana in over the other bubble teams.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
And let's be honest, if Jackson St was in the playoffs they'd likely be adding to what's been a long and unsuccessful story of SWAC teams playing in the playoffs (even in these watered down playoffs). Jackson St is doing what's good for them - they're getting publicity, they're making a boat load of money, and they don't have to be challenged on the field. Students are happy, alums are happy, and like I said, they're pretty profitable. There's nothing to be gained for Jackson St getting rolled in the FCS playoffs so why bother?dal4018 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:37 pmAs the saying goes that the conference is only as good as the weakest link right now Jackson St is carrying the SWAC and I wished that the Tigers were going to be in the FCS PLAYOFFS but they are thinking about the Celebration Bowl.uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:22 am He's not wrong that there's bias, but it's bias towards teams and conferences that have shown they can actually compete in the playoffs.
If you replaced Montana with FAMU, is there anyone that doesn't think they get blown out playing SEMO, even at home? They got it right putting Delaware and Montana in over the other bubble teams.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
That's subjective. Good arguments could be made for Mercer, Chattanooga, UC Davis, Rhode Island and Youngstown State.uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:22 am He's not wrong that there's bias, but it's bias towards teams and conferences that have shown they can actually compete in the playoffs.
If you replaced Montana with FAMU, is there anyone that doesn't think they get blown out playing SEMO, even at home? They got it right putting Delaware and Montana in over the other bubble teams.
I don't have an issue with the committee selecting Montana and Delaware but it was not a cut and dried decision.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
The selection process is almost never objective when it comes to the last teams in, but both Montana and Delaware proved they belonged this last weekend by beating two conference champions.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:23 amThat's subjective. Good arguments could be made for Mercer, Chattanooga, UC Davis, Rhode Island and Youngstown State.uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:22 am He's not wrong that there's bias, but it's bias towards teams and conferences that have shown they can actually compete in the playoffs.
If you replaced Montana with FAMU, is there anyone that doesn't think they get blown out playing SEMO, even at home? They got it right putting Delaware and Montana in over the other bubble teams.
I don't have an issue with the committee selecting Montana and Delaware but it was not a cut and dried decision.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
We don't know that Mercer, Chattanooga, UC Davis, Rhode Island or Youngstown State wouldn't have proven that they belonged.uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:36 pmThe selection process is almost never objective when it comes to the last teams in, but both Montana and Delaware proved they belonged this last weekend by beating two conference champions.
We also don't know what would have happened if the entire field was seeded and Montana and Delaware would have had to play on the road.
Personally, I'd rather see the field at 16 or 20 and then Montana or Delaware wouldn't have made the cut.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
This committee did a few things different. How often does the team with the low bid, get the home game as BBQ did? And then they get accused of adding Montana and Delaware because of the money.
UND's bid guaranteed the NCAA $127,500. Weber State's bid guaranteed $41,683.50. The FCS Playoff Committee put the game at Weber State anyway, a decision that irked UND athletic director Bill Chaves and Missouri Valley Football Conference commissioner Patty Viverito.
UND's bid guaranteed the NCAA $127,500. Weber State's bid guaranteed $41,683.50. The FCS Playoff Committee put the game at Weber State anyway, a decision that irked UND athletic director Bill Chaves and Missouri Valley Football Conference commissioner Patty Viverito.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
That's true, but we saw the games and definitely know the other two did belong.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:18 pmWe don't know that Mercer, Chattanooga, UC Davis, Rhode Island or Youngstown State wouldn't have proven that they belonged.uofmman1122 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:36 pm
The selection process is almost never objective when it comes to the last teams in, but both Montana and Delaware proved they belonged this last weekend by beating two conference champions.
We also don't know what would have happened if the entire field was seeded and Montana and Delaware would have had to play on the road.
Personally, I'd rather see the field at 16 or 20 and then Montana or Delaware wouldn't have made the cut.
And if you want to cut the field down, it sure sounds like the better argument is that the NEC and OVC champs shouldn't be in over the 5th Big Sky and CAA teams.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
It's consistent if you view it as the committee favoring teams it thought were better (which IMO is extremely weird in the Weber-UND case because they haven't really done that before re: hosting first round games).Gil Dobie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:04 pm This committee did a few things different. How often does the team with the low bid, get the home game as BBQ did? And then they get accused of adding Montana and Delaware because of the money.
UND's bid guaranteed the NCAA $127,500. Weber State's bid guaranteed $41,683.50. The FCS Playoff Committee put the game at Weber State anyway, a decision that irked UND athletic director Bill Chaves and Missouri Valley Football Conference commissioner Patty Viverito.
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Re: FAMU coach and “Bias” in Playoff Selection
He is recruiting all this talent and they are playing against no one what is going to happen when they meet up against players of equal or superior talent in the NFL.GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:14 amAnd let's be honest, if Jackson St was in the playoffs they'd likely be adding to what's been a long and unsuccessful story of SWAC teams playing in the playoffs (even in these watered down playoffs). Jackson St is doing what's good for them - they're getting publicity, they're making a boat load of money, and they don't have to be challenged on the field. Students are happy, alums are happy, and like I said, they're pretty profitable. There's nothing to be gained for Jackson St getting rolled in the FCS playoffs so why bother?