Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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89Hen wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:10 am
kalm wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:01 am Better athletes across the subdivision than just even 10 years ago. Both can happen…NDSU’s dominance AND other programs improving.
Last two years have seen the lowest number of I-AA players drafted COMBINED than any other year since 1993 (and probably beyond, but that's as far as my numbers go back). And 2013 was tied for lowest total as well.

1993 - 23
1994 - 25
1995 - 21
1996 - 30
1997 - 30
1998 - 20
1999 - 26
2000 - 28
2001 - 20
2002 - 18
2003 - 14
2004 - 15
2005 - 17
2006 - 16
2007 - 17
2008 - 24
2009 - 15
2010 - 19
2011 - 21
2012 - 15
2013 - 19
2014 - 19
2015 - 18*
2016 - 20
2017 - 15
2018 - 19
2019 - 14*
2020 - 6
2021 - 6*


*Includes grad transfers who went to the FBS in final season
*2020 Pro Days at colleges and universities & all the other cancelled pre draft scouting, workouts, interviews, & investigative stuff I bet hurt a lot of the FCS & Div II fringe late round prospects more than the FBS guys.

*2021 draft FCS no prior fall season, lost 100+ FCS transferred up the prior year due to Fall 2020 being cancelled.

2022 will be the 1st somewhat normal dfraft for FCS players since 2019. Will be interesting to see if back in double digits FCS drafted.
Cignetti through 3rd season at JMU:
33-5 overall.
26-1 vs FCS regular season.
18-1 vs CAA
7-3 playoffs.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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UNI88 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:27 pm
89Hen wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:27 pm

I guess they had half the players drafted then. That was copy and paste.

https://herosports.com/draft-fcs-picks- ... 2019-ajaj/
Looks that way ...

Trey Lance, NDZU
Dillon Radunz, NDZU
Spencer Brown, UNI
Ellerson Smith, UNI
Robert Rochell, UCA
Jabril Cox, NDZU via LSU
UNI had 2, that''s great. I was wrong, thought Cox was not listed.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:48 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:27 pm
Looks that way ...

Trey Lance, NDZU
Dillon Radunz, NDZU
Spencer Brown, UNI
Ellerson Smith, UNI
Robert Rochell, UCA
Jabril Cox, NDZU via LSU
UNI had 2, that''s great. I was wrong, thought Cox was not listed.
My search found 5 and I added Cox because I guessed he was one of your 3.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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I rememeber the buzz on the messageboards when NDSU moved up to I-AA. They won't dominate like D2, we go to Stateboro and blow out GSU, that was a bad GSU team, go to Minneapolis and beat the Gophers, Minnesota is a bad FBS team, go 10-1, beat Kansas, bad team and lucky, get votes in the polls, the Gateway conference will eat you up, go to the playoffs and lose to eventual champion EWU, lucky schedule, didn't belong in the playoffs, win a few championships, now we are too good for I-AA. Funny how the tide turns over the years.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:15 pm I rememeber the buzz on the messageboards when NDSU moved up to I-AA. They won't dominate like D2, we go to Stateboro and blow out GSU, that was a bad GSU team, go to Minneapolis and beat the Gophers, Minnesota is a bad FBS team, go 10-1, beat Kansas, bad team and lucky, get votes in the polls, the Gateway conference will eat you up, go to the playoffs and lose to eventual champion EWU, lucky schedule, didn't belong in the playoffs, win a few championships, now we are too good for I-AA. Funny how the tide turns over the years.
I remember the buzz. NDZU proved them wrong. Good for them. Now they've overwhelmed the subdivision with their success and ruined it for a lot of fans. Congratulations.

Hopefully it isn't too long-lasting.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:15 pm I rememeber the buzz on the messageboards when NDSU moved up to I-AA. They won't dominate like D2, we go to Stateboro and blow out GSU, that was a bad GSU team, go to Minneapolis and beat the Gophers, Minnesota is a bad FBS team, go 10-1, beat Kansas, bad team and lucky, get votes in the polls, the Gateway conference will eat you up, go to the playoffs and lose to eventual champion EWU, lucky schedule, didn't belong in the playoffs, win a few championships, now we are too good for I-AA. Funny how the tide turns over the years.
Congrats on another title but you Bison fans remind me of Livia Soprano
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DuckDuckGriz wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:14 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:15 pm I rememeber the buzz on the messageboards when NDSU moved up to I-AA. They won't dominate like D2, we go to Stateboro and blow out GSU, that was a bad GSU team, go to Minneapolis and beat the Gophers, Minnesota is a bad FBS team, go 10-1, beat Kansas, bad team and lucky, get votes in the polls, the Gateway conference will eat you up, go to the playoffs and lose to eventual champion EWU, lucky schedule, didn't belong in the playoffs, win a few championships, now we are too good for I-AA. Funny how the tide turns over the years.
Congrats on another title but you Bison fans remind me of Livia Soprano
Thanks, it's been a great run, but will end some day. Never thought we would win this year, after last year. Never know when it's the last time. My parents enjoyed the first 4-5 titles before they passed. Mom passed during the Montana playoff game, Dad a month later after watching #5. Took my grandson to #9, and we went down on the field to celebrate after the game. Hopefully the Griz can get back there again some day.
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Gil Dobie 2022 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2021 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2020 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2019 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2018 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2017 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2016 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
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89Hen wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 am
Gil Dobie 2022 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2021 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2020 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2019 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2018 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2017 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2016 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
At this point it would be bad luck to break the streak. :D
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89Hen wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 am
Gil Dobie 2022 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2021 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2020 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2019 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2018 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2017 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
Gil Dobie 2016 wrote: Never thought we would win this year
I'll admit to 2019, 2020 and 2021. We have a great chance to win again in 2022
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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From AGS, some posted budgets for football

Big Sky
Montana $5,747,021 (Reported Profit of 2.8million)
Montana State $6,955,242 (Reported Profit of 1.7 Million)
Portland State $4,092,668 (Reported Profit of 470K)
UC Davis $5,754,648
Eastern Washington $6,739,278 (Reported loss of $1.00)
Sacramento State $5,515,779
Northern Arizona $5,002,914
Idaho State $3,993,358
Cal Poly $4,546,931
Northern Colorado $3,882,353
Weber State $4,092,794
Southern Utah $3,762,056 (Reported Profit of 620K)


Colonial
James Madison $10,649,299
Delaware $7,844,569 (Claimed a 460K Profit)
Richmond $7,031,345
Villanova $6,765,161
William & Mary $7,073,588
Stony Brook $5,162,317 (A 913K reported Loss)
New Hampshire $5,264,384
Maine $4,287,134
Towson $4,822,097
Rhode Island $4,667,164 (Reported 15K profit)
Albany $4,910,081 (Reported 460k profit)


MVFC
North Dakota State $6,048,728
Youngstown State $4,349,972
Southern Illinois $4,212,321
Northern Iowa $4,281,286
Illinois State $4,429,532
Western Illinois $3,100,811
Indiana State $4,256,090 (A reported 244k net profit)
South Dakota State $3,950,727
South Dakota $4,031,135
Missouri State $3,846,066
North Dakota $4,965,053 (NOW MVFC)

Patriot
Fordham: $7,594,200
Lafayette: $6,840,900
Colgate: $6,743,022
Bucknell: $6,192,470
Lehigh: $5,696,420
Holy Cross: $5,605,872
Georgetown: $2,349,037
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I count 11 schools that outspend us in FB.

And JMU's 10.6 million budget. :shock:
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Winterborn wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:32 pm I count 11 schools that outspend us in FB.
I can only assume tuition costs have something to do with this.

NDSU
In-state: $10,168
Out-of-state: $14,471

UD
In-state: $15,020
Out-of-state: $36,880

About 25% of the Hens roster is out of state, I believe most of the Bizen's roster is out of state, so that's over $1,000,000 a year in tuition "costs".
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From Prof Chaos on AGS. AGS poll since 2004.

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So basically anybody who didn’t play the 2020 exhibition season got their streaks ended?
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Did I read that right? EWU lost a buck?

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Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:40 am
89Hen wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 am











I'll admit to 2019, 2020 and 2021. We have a great chance to win again in 2022
Congrats on becoming the Mount Union of FCS.
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Ivytalk wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:17 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:40 am

I'll admit to 2019, 2020 and 2021. We have a great chance to win again in 2022
Congrats on becoming the Mount Union of FCS.
Too bad JMU wasn't able to take advantage of their opportunity to be Wisconsin Whitewater.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:02 am
Ivytalk wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:17 am

Congrats on becoming the Mount Union of FCS.
Too bad JMU wasn't able to take advantage of their opportunity to be Wisconsin Whitewater.
They did what St Thomas did, change the scenery.

Might not be much different.
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Most Consecutive FCS Playoff Appearances
17 – Montana (1993-2009)
14 – New Hampshire (2004-2017)
12 – North Dakota State (2010-Present)
10 – Eastern Kentucky (1986-1995) and South Dakota State (2012-Present)
8 – Appalachian State (2005-12) and James Madison (2014-Present)
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Gil Dobie wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:33 am Most Consecutive FCS Playoff Appearances
17 – Montana (1993-2009)
14* – New Hampshire (2004-2017)(* selection committee bias)
12 – North Dakota State (2010-Present)
10 – Eastern Kentucky (1986-1995) and South Dakota State (2012-Present)
8 – Appalachian State (2005-12) and James Madison (2014-Present)
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Montana $5,747,021 (Reported Profit of 2.8million)
Portland State $4,092,668 (Reported Profit of 470K)
Eastern Washington $6,739,278 (Reported loss of $1.00)
See kalm, if you cut spending, you can achieve a budget surplus. :coffee:
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