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GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:37 am This is the stupid (yes, stupid times) trap we get into these days with most political speech. It's all or nothing. God forbid we find the middle ground, like say, fix what's wrong with ICE's enforcement policies and procedures, including prosecuting ICE officials who cross the legal line, while also effecting real change at the border and other points of entry (i.e. airports), long term, in terms of enforcement and visa overstay followups to minimize the number of unauthorized migrants who enter the country in the first place. Instead, we aim for click bait, we aim for who shouts the loudest and who has the cleverest or most mocking meme, and that's how we do politics today. It's no wonder we end up with the Trumps and Newsomes of the world when we practice politics this way. When our political discourse is "abolish ICE" and "deport all immigrants" we get what we exactly have - stupid times.
Where were you during the Obama years and Biden when ICE was doing all this? You apparently were okay with it then.
* as he sweeps the extraordinary circumstances of this period under the rug with a Chamberlin broom.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:37 am This is the stupid (yes, stupid times) trap we get into these days with most political speech. It's all or nothing. God forbid we find the middle ground, like say, fix what's wrong with ICE's enforcement policies and procedures, including prosecuting ICE officials who cross the legal line, while also effecting real change at the border and other points of entry (i.e. airports), long term, in terms of enforcement and visa overstay followups to minimize the number of unauthorized migrants who enter the country in the first place. Instead, we aim for click bait, we aim for who shouts the loudest and who has the cleverest or most mocking meme, and that's how we do politics today. It's no wonder we end up with the Trumps and Newsomes of the world when we practice politics this way. When our political discourse is "abolish ICE" and "deport all immigrants" we get what we exactly have - stupid times.
That’s the second time you’ve attempted to use tribal bitching point.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:59 amWhere were you during the Obama years and Biden when ICE was doing all this? You apparently were okay with it then.
You can admit you really don't care. This is just another tribal bitching point.
Don't worry, I'm vastly outnumbered. There are much more folks like you screaming it's the end of the world from both sides of the spectrum than there are people who want to fix what's going wrong. You guys will have your way for the foreseeable future, even post Trump. Saner times will come back, just not anytime soon. In the meantime, just keep yelling.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:45 am* as he sweeps the extraordinary circumstances of this period under the rug with a Chamberlin broom.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:37 am This is the stupid (yes, stupid times) trap we get into these days with most political speech. It's all or nothing. God forbid we find the middle ground, like say, fix what's wrong with ICE's enforcement policies and procedures, including prosecuting ICE officials who cross the legal line, while also effecting real change at the border and other points of entry (i.e. airports), long term, in terms of enforcement and visa overstay followups to minimize the number of unauthorized migrants who enter the country in the first place. Instead, we aim for click bait, we aim for who shouts the loudest and who has the cleverest or most mocking meme, and that's how we do politics today. It's no wonder we end up with the Trumps and Newsomes of the world when we practice politics this way. When our political discourse is "abolish ICE" and "deport all immigrants" we get what we exactly have - stupid times.
Verifiable US citizens, congressman, and judges are now being assaulted or threatened. But if you’d prefer the proclamation be “reform ICE through better training, prosecution of rogue officers, and increased de-escalation practices, ok.
Screaming? Nah…I calmly posted that with intentional hyperbole. But shit is real and there are countless examples. Some of these things that have already happened will affect our country for decades even with repair. To deny that is the height of ignorantly putting your hands over your ears, covering your eyes and hoping it will all just return to normal. That attitude is of course childish and completely ignores history. The normalcy you hope to return to is gone. Change is universal in that way. That doesn’t mean new, more pleasant normals than today can’t be achieved. I believe just as strongly that they can. But that requires work, resistance, and refusal to accept what’s being done. If not to you personally than to your country and fellow man.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:19 amDon't worry, I'm vastly outnumbered. There are much more folks like you screaming it's the end of the world from both sides of the spectrum than there are people who want to fix what's going wrong. You guys will have your way for the foreseeable future, even post Trump. Saner times will come back, just not anytime soon. In the meantime, just keep yelling.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:45 am
* as he sweeps the extraordinary circumstances of this period under the rug with a Chamberlin broom.
Verifiable US citizens, congressman, and judges are now being assaulted or threatened. But if you’d prefer the proclamation be “reform ICE through better training, prosecution of rogue officers, and increased de-escalation practices, ok.
Cry me a fooking river. ICE 10/25 reported 527,000 removals, so probably 600-700k arrests in 9 month. If ICE is now arresting upwards of 3k a day, there’s going to be a couple of daily click bait fuck ups that will go viral. That is your ‘endless examples’ that the left will will use to bloviate that see how eeevil ICE is they are a bunch of fascists blah blah.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:46 pmScreaming? Nah…I calmly posted that with intentional hyperbole. But shit is real and there are countless examples. Some of these things that have already happened will affect our country for decades even with repair. To deny that is the height of ignorantly putting your hands over your ears, covering your eyes and hoping it will all just return to normal. That attitude is of course childish and completely ignores history. The normalcy you hope to return to is gone. Change is universal in that way. That doesn’t mean new, more pleasant normals than today can’t be achieved. I believe just as strongly that they can. But that requires work, resistance, and refusal to accept what’s being done. If not to you personally than to your country and fellow man.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:19 am
Don't worry, I'm vastly outnumbered. There are much more folks like you screaming it's the end of the world from both sides of the spectrum than there are people who want to fix what's going wrong. You guys will have your way for the foreseeable future, even post Trump. Saner times will come back, just not anytime soon. In the meantime, just keep yelling.
Without that, things can get far worse yet with very little standing in the way including the courts.
I’m sure you’d be with it if it were you. In fact isn’t a part of the constitution that says “We must break a few eggs to make an omelette”?BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:23 pmCry me a fooking river. ICE 10/25 reported 527,000 removals, so probably 600-700k arrests in 9 month. If ICE is now arresting upwards of 3k a day, there’s going to be a couple of daily click bait fuck ups that will go viral. That is your ‘endless examples’ that the left will will use to bloviate that see how eeevil ICE is they are a bunch of fascists blah blah.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:46 pm
Screaming? Nah…I calmly posted that with intentional hyperbole. But shit is real and there are countless examples. Some of these things that have already happened will affect our country for decades even with repair. To deny that is the height of ignorantly putting your hands over your ears, covering your eyes and hoping it will all just return to normal. That attitude is of course childish and completely ignores history. The normalcy you hope to return to is gone. Change is universal in that way. That doesn’t mean new, more pleasant normals than today can’t be achieved. I believe just as strongly that they can. But that requires work, resistance, and refusal to accept what’s being done. If not to you personally than to your country and fellow man.
Without that, things can get far worse yet with very little standing in the way including the courts.
Wrong. Just the far left wants to abolish ICE. Nothing new. The leftards were calling for abolishing ICE during Trump I also. Reasonable people know ICE has a gargantuan task because of 4 years of open borders under Biden, don’t expect there to be 3k perfect arrests a day, and want the law enforced.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:57 pmI’m sure you’d be with it if it were you. In fact isn’t a part of the constitution that says “We must break a few eggs to make an omelette”?BDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:23 pm
Cry me a fooking river. ICE 10/25 reported 527,000 removals, so probably 600-700k arrests in 9 month. If ICE is now arresting upwards of 3k a day, there’s going to be a couple of daily click bait fuck ups that will go viral. That is your ‘endless examples’ that the left will will use to bloviate that see how eeevil ICE is they are a bunch of fascists blah blah.
ICE is now a lawless agency run by lawless leaders. You might be fine with that but reasonable people who believe in America are not.
ExactlyBDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:23 pmCry me a fooking river. ICE 10/25 reported 527,000 removals, so probably 600-700k arrests in 9 month. If ICE is now arresting upwards of 3k a day, there’s going to be a couple of daily click bait fuck ups that will go viral. That is your ‘endless examples’ that the left will will use to bloviate that see how eeevil ICE is they are a bunch of fascists blah blah.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 2:46 pm
Screaming? Nah…I calmly posted that with intentional hyperbole. But shit is real and there are countless examples. Some of these things that have already happened will affect our country for decades even with repair. To deny that is the height of ignorantly putting your hands over your ears, covering your eyes and hoping it will all just return to normal. That attitude is of course childish and completely ignores history. The normalcy you hope to return to is gone. Change is universal in that way. That doesn’t mean new, more pleasant normals than today can’t be achieved. I believe just as strongly that they can. But that requires work, resistance, and refusal to accept what’s being done. If not to you personally than to your country and fellow man.
Without that, things can get far worse yet with very little standing in the way including the courts.
I'm with Ganny on this one. ICE serves a valid purpose and doesn't need to be abolished. We need to put reasonable adults back in charge who will reform ICE and use it for its valid purpose.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:19 amDon't worry, I'm vastly outnumbered. There are much more folks like you screaming it's the end of the world from both sides of the spectrum than there are people who want to fix what's going wrong. You guys will have your way for the foreseeable future, even post Trump. Saner times will come back, just not anytime soon. In the meantime, just keep yelling.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:45 am
* as he sweeps the extraordinary circumstances of this period under the rug with a Chamberlin broom.
Verifiable US citizens, congressman, and judges are now being assaulted or threatened. But if you’d prefer the proclamation be “reform ICE through better training, prosecution of rogue officers, and increased de-escalation practices, ok.
I agree. I’ve ankways stated on here annd especially since Trump 1 that protecting our borders and controlling immigration are core elements of our governments responsibilities. The way it’s being handled currently is not acceptable. Lower courts and governors agree.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 8:42 amI'm with Ganny on this one. ICE serves a valid purpose and doesn't need to be abolished. We need to put reasonable adults back in charge who will reform ICE and use it for its valid purpose.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:19 am
Don't worry, I'm vastly outnumbered. There are much more folks like you screaming it's the end of the world from both sides of the spectrum than there are people who want to fix what's going wrong. You guys will have your way for the foreseeable future, even post Trump. Saner times will come back, just not anytime soon. In the meantime, just keep yelling.
Same with CBP. People like Bovino need to be investigated and likely tried for their crimes. Fear of this happening is part of what is driving the Republican redistricting push. They have to stay in power to prevent/delay the investigations and trials that are likely to follow a shift in power.
I did many ride alongs with my BiL when the was a road deputy. We also had long discussions about the police guild when he was appointed undersheriff. My first cousin ran drug interdiction in North Idaho and did undercover work before he too became an undersheriff in his birder county. A close friend and youngster I mentored to replace me as GM if the golf course iljust completed the academy and is now a road deputy.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:25 amExactlyBDKJMU wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:23 pm
Cry me a fooking river. ICE 10/25 reported 527,000 removals, so probably 600-700k arrests in 9 month. If ICE is now arresting upwards of 3k a day, there’s going to be a couple of daily click bait fuck ups that will go viral. That is your ‘endless examples’ that the left will will use to bloviate that see how eeevil ICE is they are a bunch of fascists blah blah.
Notice how the guys on here that have never done one second of law-enforcement in their entire pristine lives like to preach about what the LE line is…
Besides that, half of that crap they post about ICE is fake news
They're turning these guys loose before the reults of their drug tests come back. Every goon in the country wants the 50K bonus.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:37 am This is the stupid (yes, stupid times) trap we get into these days with most political speech. It's all or nothing. God forbid we find the middle ground, like say, fix what's wrong with ICE's enforcement policies and procedures, including prosecuting ICE officials who cross the legal line, while also effecting real change at the border and other points of entry (i.e. airports), long term, in terms of enforcement and visa overstay followups to minimize the number of unauthorized migrants who enter the country in the first place. Instead, we aim for click bait, we aim for who shouts the loudest and who has the cleverest or most mocking meme, and that's how we do politics today. It's no wonder we end up with the Trumps and Newsomes of the world when we practice politics this way. When our political discourse is "abolish ICE" and "deport all immigrants" we get what we exactly have - stupid times.
Resultshoundawg wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:20 amThey're turning these guys loose before the reults of their drug tests come back. Every goon in the country wants the 50K bonus.GannonFan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:37 am This is the stupid (yes, stupid times) trap we get into these days with most political speech. It's all or nothing. God forbid we find the middle ground, like say, fix what's wrong with ICE's enforcement policies and procedures, including prosecuting ICE officials who cross the legal line, while also effecting real change at the border and other points of entry (i.e. airports), long term, in terms of enforcement and visa overstay followups to minimize the number of unauthorized migrants who enter the country in the first place. Instead, we aim for click bait, we aim for who shouts the loudest and who has the cleverest or most mocking meme, and that's how we do politics today. It's no wonder we end up with the Trumps and Newsomes of the world when we practice politics this way. When our political discourse is "abolish ICE" and "deport all immigrants" we get what we exactly have - stupid times.
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:59 amWhere were you during the Obama years and Biden when ICE was doing all this? You apparently were okay with it then.
You can admit you really don't care. This is just another tribal bitching point.
Because you didn't answer the first time, showing you didn't give two shits. You just want to complain.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:46 amThat’s the second time you’ve attempted to use tribal bitching point.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:59 am
Where were you during the Obama years and Biden when ICE was doing all this? You apparently were okay with it then.
You can admit you really don't care. This is just another tribal bitching point.
Someone found a new phrase!
Pedo Joe? He's long gone but the stain of you voting for him will live on forever. You didn't even care he was unable to perform the duties of POTUS.houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 10:52 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 24, 2025 7:59 am
Where were you during the Obama years and Biden when ICE was doing all this? You apparently were okay with it then.
You can admit you really don't care. This is just another tribal bitching point.
...like how you never talk about lawfare and geriatric Presidents anymore?
Just as Jesus and our constitution told us, right?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 1:06 pmBecause you didn't answer the first time, showing you didn't give two shits. You just want to complain.
Me, I couldn't care one way or another how someone who illegally crossed the border is rounded up. You are selective.
Ride alongskalm wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 9:18 amI did many ride alongs with my BiL when the was a road deputy. We also had long discussions about the police guild when he was appointed undersheriff. My first cousin ran drug interdiction in North Idaho and did undercover work before he too became an undersheriff in his birder county. A close friend and youngster I mentored to replace me as GM if the golf course iljust completed the academy and is now a road deputy.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 6:25 am
Exactly
Notice how the guys on here that have never done one second of law-enforcement in their entire pristine lives like to preach about what the LE line is…
Besides that, half of that crap they post about ICE is fake news
How do you know what’s posted is fake news? Did BDK’s MAGA influencers who redid Sri Lanka tell you it was so?
Joey Rotten Biden the modern day Maharishi Mahesh YogiSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 25, 2025 1:08 pmPedo Joe? He's long gone but the stain of you voting for him will live on forever. You didn't even care he was unable to perform the duties of POTUS.