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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:42 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:31 am

Still a bunch of people died….despite modern medicine and “lockdowns”. Human life used to be valued.
You chose to follow one metric (deaths) and not the other (%) in regards to COVID.

Pick the other metric (%) and one sees COVID was only slightly worse than a bad cold and flu season with age being the biggest factor in deaths, so the vast majority were not at risk.

Lockdowns don't work for a respiratory pandemic. That's been documented for years. Maybe if the people you supported had applied focused protection to the elderly instead of bringing COVID into their nursing homes, we'd have seen that level of care you want to see. This was all over a metric.
Not gonna re-litigate how wrong you still are. Go ahead and keep typing.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:53 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:42 am

You chose to follow one metric (deaths) and not the other (%) in regards to COVID.

Pick the other metric (%) and one sees COVID was only slightly worse than a bad cold and flu season with age being the biggest factor in deaths, so the vast majority were not at risk.

Lockdowns don't work for a respiratory pandemic. That's been documented for years. Maybe if the people you supported had applied focused protection to the elderly instead of bringing COVID into their nursing homes, we'd have seen that level of care you want to see. This was all over a metric.
Not gonna re-litigate how wrong you still are. Go ahead and keep typing.
Because you got clobbered and the data shows it.

You were an incorrect medical fascist.
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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houndawg wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:49 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:58 am

So will the price of a bag of Doritos stay pegged at 7 bucks?
...don't use them, wouldn't know.. :?

Guess what? Prices don't go down.
according to your President he himself has brought prices down
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:55 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:53 am

Not gonna re-litigate how wrong you still are. Go ahead and keep typing.
Because you got clobbered and the data shows it.

You were an incorrect medical fascist.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:11 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:55 am

Because you got clobbered and the data shows it.

You were an incorrect medical fascist.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:53 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:42 am

You chose to follow one metric (deaths) and not the other (%) in regards to COVID.

Pick the other metric (%) and one sees COVID was only slightly worse than a bad cold and flu season with age being the biggest factor in deaths, so the vast majority were not at risk.

Lockdowns don't work for a respiratory pandemic. That's been documented for years. Maybe if the people you supported had applied focused protection to the elderly instead of bringing COVID into their nursing homes, we'd have seen that level of care you want to see. This was all over a metric.
Not gonna re-litigate how wrong you still are. Go ahead and keep typing.
when I had the flu, I felt bad and cancelled my flight

When I tested positive for Covid, I felt just fine and they canceled my flight
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:19 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:53 am

Not gonna re-litigate how wrong you still are. Go ahead and keep typing.
when I had the flu, I felt bad and cancelled my flight

When I tested positive for Covid, I felt just fine and they canceled my flight
When I caught covid I didn't even know it because the vaccine worked as advertised
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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houndawg wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:59 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:19 am

when I had the flu, I felt bad and cancelled my flight

When I tested positive for Covid, I felt just fine and they canceled my flight
When I caught covid I didn't even know it
I fixed your post to my experience
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Some observations from scientists.

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"An example of the rising temperature is that of Spitzbergen, only 800 miles from the North Pole. In 30 years the average winter level of the thermometer has gone up by nine degrees Celsius.

Vanishing ice

The ice-packs which once used to ring the north coast of Iceland for several months of the year allowing no passage, now only span the same area for 60 days. The almost impenetrable barrier in the Polar Sea has been replaced by ineffective floes lashing through the waves.”

“So much ice has vanished on Greenland,” the Swedish scientist explained after a careful survey, “that the entire character of this northern country has changed.”

Turning to Alaska, Professor Ahlmann estimates that the glaciers are retreating at the rate of 900 feet a year. Some of them have presented a unique sight for decades, their sheer drop into the water from high altitudes displaying a rare spectacle.

Meanwhile the people in Europe have again wondered at the lack of snow in the valleys. And it certainly was not a white Christmas for those who can remember the heavy snow falls last century.

Scientists believe that the melting of ice in the polar regions indicates a radical change in climatic conditions.”

Article was written 74 years ago
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:25 am I'm wondering what caused the first four Ice Ages. And the "Little Ice Age" from about 1300[ to about 1850. I'm thinking that man had a pretty small effect on those.
Volcanoes and asteroids for $1,000, Alex.

Since climate change happened before humans were on the scene, humans can't be having an effect on climate.

Thats doing the same thing creationists do when they try to push their bullshit that because evolution is wrong therefore creationism must be right..
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:11 am Some observations from scientists.

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"An example of the rising temperature is that of Spitzbergen, only 800 miles from the North Pole. In 30 years the average winter level of the thermometer has gone up by nine degrees Celsius.

Vanishing ice

The ice-packs which once used to ring the north coast of Iceland for several months of the year allowing no passage, now only span the same area for 60 days. The almost impenetrable barrier in the Polar Sea has been replaced by ineffective floes lashing through the waves.”

“So much ice has vanished on Greenland,” the Swedish scientist explained after a careful survey, “that the entire character of this northern country has changed.”

Turning to Alaska, Professor Ahlmann estimates that the glaciers are retreating at the rate of 900 feet a year. Some of them have presented a unique sight for decades, their sheer drop into the water from high altitudes displaying a rare spectacle.

Meanwhile the people in Europe have again wondered at the lack of snow in the valleys. And it certainly was not a white Christmas for those who can remember the heavy snow falls last century.

Scientists believe that the melting of ice in the polar regions indicates a radical change in climatic conditions.”

Article was written 74 years ago
You know who else knew about it 74 years ago? Big oil.
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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houndawg wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:56 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:25 am I'm wondering what caused the first four Ice Ages. And the "Little Ice Age" from about 1300[ to about 1850. I'm thinking that man had a pretty small effect on those.
Volcanoes and asteroids for $1,000, Alex.

Since climate change happened before humans were on the scene, humans can't be having an effect on climate.

Thats doing the same thing creationists do when they try to push their bullshit that because evolution is wrong therefore creationism must be right..
It also proves that the talking point of humans causing global warming, is also unsettled science
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:17 am
houndawg wrote: Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:56 am

Volcanoes and asteroids for $1,000, Alex.

Since climate change happened before humans were on the scene, humans can't be having an effect on climate.

Thats doing the same thing creationists do when they try to push their bullshit that because evolution is wrong therefore creationism must be right..
It also proves that the talking point of humans causing global warming, is also unsettled science
nobody says we're the only cause, CH, that's your lack of education showing and you should be embarrassed. The experts agree overwhelmingly that humans are a very large input into this edition of climate change. Even Standard Oil's own engineers saw it coming in the 1920s - just because youve decided to rest your brain and let the lunatic fringe do your thinking for you is your right doesn't mean you have to abuse the privilege. :ohno:
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houndawg wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:17 am

It also proves that the talking point of humans causing global warming, is also unsettled science
nobody says we're the only cause, CH, that's your lack of education showing and you should be embarrassed. The experts agree overwhelmingly that humans are a very large input into this edition of climate change. Even Standard Oil's own engineers saw it coming in the 1920s - just because youve decided to rest your brain and let the lunatic fringe do your thinking for you is your right doesn't mean you have to abuse the privilege. :ohno:
You sure about that?

Post the evidence? I’m an open book on climate change.
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:04 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 am

nobody says we're the only cause, CH, that's your lack of education showing and you should be embarrassed. The experts agree overwhelmingly that humans are a very large input into this edition of climate change. Even Standard Oil's own engineers saw it coming in the 1920s - just because youve decided to rest your brain and let the lunatic fringe do your thinking for you is your right doesn't mean you have to abuse the privilege. :ohno:
You sure about that?
...well, by "nobody" I'm referring to the folks that would publish research about the subject in reputable, peer-reviewed, journals pertaining to the subject. There's always the experts who received their phd in climate change from reading an article in Popular Mechanics. Why? You got something from a reputable, peer-reviewed journal?
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houndawg wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:17 am

It also proves that the talking point of humans causing global warming, is also unsettled science
nobody says we're the only cause, CH, that's your lack of education showing and you should be embarrassed. The experts agree overwhelmingly that humans are a very large input into this edition of climate change. Even Standard Oil's own engineers saw it coming in the 1920s - just because youve decided to rest your brain and let the lunatic fringe do your thinking for you is your right doesn't mean you have to abuse the privilege. :ohno:
I don’t know anything about that. I’ll check it out.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:04 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 am
nobody says we're the only cause, CH, that's your lack of education showing and you should be embarrassed. The experts agree overwhelmingly that humans are a very large input into this edition of climate change. Even Standard Oil's own engineers saw it coming in the 1920s - just because youve decided to rest your brain and let the lunatic fringe do your thinking for you is your right doesn't mean you have to abuse the privilege. :ohno:
You sure about that?

Post the evidence? I’m an open book on climate change.
MAQA yahoos don't need or care about evidence. All they need is for the "right" person or people to tell them it's true and they'll believe it. If trump says it, it's gospel. If it's repeated be enough posters in a MAQA yahoo echo chamber, it has to be true. See the 2020 election was stolen, Ukrainian Nazis, biden crime family, etc. for confirmation.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:09 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:04 am

You sure about that?

Post the evidence? I’m an open book on climate change.
MAQA yahoos don't need or care about evidence. All they need is for the "right" person or people to tell them it's true and they'll believe it. If trump says it, it's gospel. If it's repeated be enough posters in a MAQA yahoo echo chamber, it has to be true. See the 2020 election was stolen, Ukrainian Nazis, biden crime family, etc. for confirmation.
Why would you even post that? Because of your infection

The left is exactly the same, but you remain silent
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Re: Climate Change Defamation

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:04 am
houndawg wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:57 am

nobody says we're the only cause, CH, that's your lack of education showing and you should be embarrassed. The experts agree overwhelmingly that humans are a very large input into this edition of climate change. Even Standard Oil's own engineers saw it coming in the 1920s - just because youve decided to rest your brain and let the lunatic fringe do your thinking for you is your right doesn't mean you have to abuse the privilege. :ohno:
You sure about that?

Post the evidence? I’m an open book on climate change.
A blip in the earth’s history? Sure. Cause for concern? Absolutely.
Key Takeaway:
Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere warms the planet, causing climate change. Human activities have raised the atmosphere’s carbon dioxide content by 50% in less than 200 years.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important heat-trapping gas, also known as a greenhouse gas, that comes from the extraction and burning of fossil fuels (such as coal, oil, and natural gas), from wildfires, and natural processes like volcanic eruptions. The first graph shows atmospheric CO2 levels measured by NOAA at Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, since 1958. The second graph shows CO2 levels during Earth’s last three glacial cycles, as captured by air bubbles trapped in ice sheets and glaciers.

Since the onset of industrial times in the 18th century, human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 by 50% – meaning the amount of CO2 is now 150% of its value in 1750. This human-induced rise is greater than the natural increase observed at the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ca ... intent=121
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:28 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:09 am
MAQA yahoos don't need or care about evidence. All they need is for the "right" person or people to tell them it's true and they'll believe it. If trump says it, it's gospel. If it's repeated by enough posters in a MAQA yahoo echo chamber, it has to be true. See the 2020 election was stolen, Ukrainian Nazis, biden crime family, etc. for confirmation.
Why would you even post that? Because of your infection

The left is exactly the same, but you remain silent
:suspicious: As BDKKKaren likes to say - da fuq?

I've been saying boy sides are the same for years ...
UNI88 wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 6:55 pm Peas in a pod, birds of a feather and all that. Just more examples of each side being like the other.
My infection? You're projecting again.
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kalm wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:57 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 7:04 am

You sure about that?

Post the evidence? I’m an open book on climate change.
A blip in the earth’s history? Sure. Cause for concern? Absolutely.
Key Takeaway:
Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere warms the planet, causing climate change. Human activities have raised the atmosphere’s carbon dioxide content by 50% in less than 200 years.
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important heat-trapping gas, also known as a greenhouse gas, that comes from the extraction and burning of fossil fuels (such as coal, oil, and natural gas), from wildfires, and natural processes like volcanic eruptions. The first graph shows atmospheric CO2 levels measured by NOAA at Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, since 1958. The second graph shows CO2 levels during Earth’s last three glacial cycles, as captured by air bubbles trapped in ice sheets and glaciers.

Since the onset of industrial times in the 18th century, human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 by 50% – meaning the amount of CO2 is now 150% of its value in 1750. This human-induced rise is greater than the natural increase observed at the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago.
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/ca ... intent=121
Ok thanks

Why were the scientist talking about coming of the next Ice Age in the 1970s?

What is the ratio between human causes of global warming and the natural process of global warming that has been a continuos cycle over millions and millions of years?

Basically, how long did it take for the earth to heat up 125,000 years ago or 800 million years ago?
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So you guys have nothing

Figured so

Im just curious to know if anybody knows for sure how much of global warming is being caused by humans and how much is being caused by other natural events that we really don’t have any control over?

Are the predictions of the rate of continued global warming based on models?

Whose model is considered the gold standard?

https://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95 ... -be-wrong/
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:18 am So you guys have nothing

Figured so

Im just curious to know if anybody knows for sure how much of global warming is being caused by humans and how much is being caused by other natural events that we really don’t have any control over?

Are the predictions of the rate of continued global warming based on models?

Whose model is considered the gold standard?

https://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95 ... -be-wrong/
It usually takes less than a minute to debunk or find corruptive funding sources for these types. It took 3 in this case as he is well credentialed.
"Errors identified by climate scientists "...range from the trivial (using the wrong units for the radiative flux anomaly), to the serious (treating clouds as the cause of climate change, rather than resulting from day-to-day weather; comparing a 10 year observational period with a 100 year model period and not allowing for the spread in model outputs)."[31]
"Within three days of the publication of Spencer & Braswell 2011, two climate scientists (Kevin Trenberth & John Fasullo) repeated the analysis and showed that the IPCC models are in agreement with the observations[27], thus refuting Spencer & Braswell’s claims. An independent analysis by Andrew Dessler also confirms the Trenberth & Fasullo result."[31]
By Dessler: its intended audience is media and public, not climate scientists
In Andrew Dessler's view, "[This] paper is not really intended for other scientists, since they do not take Roy Spencer seriously anymore (he’s been wrong too many times). Rather, he’s writing his papers for Fox News, the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, Congressional staffers, and the blogs. These are his audience and the people for whom this research is actually useful — in stopping policies to reduce GHG emissions — which is what Roy wants.”[32] Dessler summed up the paper saying

"This new paper is arguing is that clouds are forcing the climate, rather than the more traditional way of thinking of them as a feedback. This is not, in fact, a new argument...[and] is extremely weak. What they do is show some data, then they show a very simple model with some free parameters that they tweak until they fit the data. They then conclude that their model is right. However, if the underlying model is wrong, then the agreement between the model and data proves nothing.
...if Spencer were right, then clouds would be a major cause of El Niño cycles—which we know is not correct. Talk to any ENSO expert and tell them that clouds cause ENSO and they’ll laugh..."
Oh yeah…and he’s also an evolution denier. :lol:
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I don’t pretend that human activity is not causing some global warming, but there have been so many dire forecast that have just not materialized. And we don’t know how the Earth is going to be able to process this uptick in CO2 in the atmosphere. These warming models predicting future temperatures are very complicated with a lot of guesswork. Some might be motivated to tinker with those unknown variables in the models to manipulate the model in producing that result they want to see

Does anyone know how the deep oceans are playing into this process ?

It could take hundreds and hundreds of years to work itself out. Maybe hundreds of thousands of years

I don’t think it hurts at all to use common sense and try to reduce CO2 emissions, but it just seems to be a lot of rush and panic involved with at all. Thats the part I have a problem with. And let’s not pretend this severe crisis hasn’t generated millions of dollars for people. If it wasn’t severe, there would be no money in it.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:13 am I don’t pretend that human activity is not causing some global warming, but there have been so many dire forecast that have just not materialized. And we don’t know how the Earth is going to be able to process this uptick in CO2 in the atmosphere. These warming models predicting future temperatures are very complicated with a lot of guesswork. Some might be motivated to tinker with those unknown variables in the models to manipulate the model in producing that result they want to see

Does anyone know how the deep oceans are playing into this process ?

It could take hundreds and hundreds of years to work itself out. Maybe hundreds of thousands of years

I don’t think it hurts at all to use common sense and try to reduce CO2 emissions, but it just seems to be a lot of rush and panic involved with at all. Thats the part I have a problem with. And let’s not pretend this severe crisis hasn’t generated millions of dollars for people. If it wasn’t severe, there would be no money in it.
It’s fine being skeptical. That helps drive better science.
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