What Happens To MAGA?

[houndawg]

You have no idea what you're jabbering about. The Heartland is just as red as it can be. St.Louis, Memphis, Nashville, Louisville, Indianapolis, Cinncinnati...all hours closer than Chicago. Hell, Jackson, Mississippi is closer than some parts of Chicagoland.

Illinois leads the nation. Congrats!
ILLINOIS RECORDS 10TH STRAIGHT YEAR OF POPULATION DECLINE
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/press-re ... n-decline/

And the people moving out are disproportionately red/to the right of the remaining population, part of the blue states getting bluer, red states getting redder.

...more room for me.

Affordable land, good roads and schools, four seasons, abundant game and fishing and wildlife, nearby university.....lots of retirees cashing out and moving here to the country. We've heard several sob stories about real estate taxes from locals that went to Texas

[Bobcat]

That’s no different than any Republican winner

How about Republican losers?

So show us the demographics.

Haley?
McConnel?
Zimmerman?
Cheney?

Can you be more specific on which loser?

[kalm]

I’ll stick this here with a follow up. What happens to the Republican Party? Two viable parties isn’t really enough but the R’s are driving toward a cliff. Their policies are unpopular, and are submissive to the cult leader.

Tom Nichols, another conservative former Republican, writes…

Long before Stefanik’s call for less democracy, I wondered what it means to be a Republican or a Democrat in 2024. The Republican answer is easy: To be a member of the party is to abandon all political principles, of any kind, and bend the knee to the personal needs of Donald Trump. For Democrats, it’s more complicated. The Democrats were always a gathering of several constituencies under one roof, and their electoral house is even more crowded now that the guest rooms have been taken up by appalled independents and apostate former Republicans. And yet, in a historical irony, the once-fractious party is now more ideologically coherent than its GOP opponents.…

I will not “both sides” this argument: The Democrats are today a model of ideological consistency compared with the Republicans. To be sure, they have their own problems; younger Democrats in particular have demands, such as student-loan forgiveness and other uber-entitlements, that transcend right or left definitions. (Neither are they “socialist,” because even socialists put limits on state support, but that’s an argument for another day.) And the Israel-Hamas war has uncovered a nasty streak of anti-Semitism in some Democrats that is, and should be, repulsive to any American.

But the Democrats, as a party, are in favor of American constitutional democracy, and when so much of our politics has become nothing but blue flags and red flags, that is enough…..

The Republicans, meanwhile, have in the course of a decade sublimated from a solid party into a miasmic gas of partisan incoherence. As I wrote in the summer of 2022, when I tried to define why I still thought of myself as a conservative, the GOP is not identifiably “conservative” in any way that people like me ever understood that word. I was a Republican because I wanted a small, efficient government that believed in constitutional limits on its own power, a strong national defense, and the advancement of free markets. That party no longer exists.

Partisan inconsistency is hardly news: Political scientists have known since at least the 1960s that voters are attached to parties but are far less coherent about policies. (Although much of this work is about the American system, plenty of evidence indicates that irrational partisanship is something of a natural human tendency that’s affecting other democracies as well.) But one American party has collapsed; the other is holding together a fragile, but so far dominant, prodemocracy coalition. In this unprecedented situation, our politics have been largely emptied of meaning beyond the existential question of democracy itself.

[Caribbean Hen]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

[UNI88]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

I don't disagree with you but I have questions:

1) Who is running the con? Is it just the establishment? Or is it possible that trump is running his own con?

2) Do you also feel sorry for the MAGAt yahoos who believe that Democrats the most despicable POS on earth and similar? Do you tell them they're being played?

[Caribbean Hen]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

I don't disagree with you but I have questions:

1) Who is running the con? Is it just the establishment? Or is it possible that trump is running his own con?

2) Do you also feel sorry for the MAGAt yahoos who believe that Democrats the most despicable POS on earth and similar? Do you tell them they're being played?

1) I don’t know

2) I posted it

[UNI88]

I don't disagree with you but I have questions:

1) Who is running the con? Is it just the establishment? Or is it possible that trump is running his own con?

2) Do you also feel sorry for the MAGAt yahoos who believe that Democrats the most despicable POS on earth and similar? Do you tell them they're being played?

1) I don’t know

2) I posted it

1) MAGAt yahoos seem to believe that trump is fighting the "global puppet master" but what if he's in on the con and he's agitating his followers to help create "an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war"? Or what if he's running his own con to take power from the global puppet master for himself?

2) You posted it here, have you posted it on AGS in response to posters calling Democrats/liberals all sorts of vile names? It applies there just as much as it does here.

[Caribbean Hen]

1) I don’t know

2) I posted it

1) MAGAt yahoos seem to believe that trump is fighting the "global puppet master" but what if he's in on the con and he's agitating his followers to help create "an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war"? Or what if he's running his own con to take power from the global puppet master for himself?

2) You posted it here, have you posted it on AGS in response to posters calling Democrats/liberals all sorts of vile names? It applies there just as much as it does here.

1) judging Trump on his foreign policy while he was President tells me he’s not for more wars, and Biden has done everything he can do to push the false narrative of how dangerous Trump voters are. It’s bullshit.

2) I’ve posted similar thoughts on AGS. I tell you what, I would trust the AGS group of conservatives any day, they are a fine group of people and I mean that.

[kalm]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

The post above this was from Tim Nichols, who’s hardly a nutbag. He’s moderate conservative. He’s far from alone. Many, if not most moderate conservatives have left the party, both elected officials and centrist voters.

The division we see is sadly helped by the 4th estate, however, that division has been simmering for decades. Single issue activists from both sides drive it as well. From hardcore environmentalists to pro lifers and the church.

But to dismiss Trump’s and MAGA’s culpability is quite honestly laughable.

[Caribbean Hen]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

The post above this was from Tim Nichols, who’s hardly a nutbag. He’s moderate conservative. He’s far from alone. Many, if not most moderate conservatives have left the party, both elected officials and centrist voters.

The division we see is sadly helped by the 4th estate, however, that division has been simmering for decades. Single issue activists from both sides drive it as well. From hardcore environmentalists to pro lifers and the church.

But to dismiss Trump’s and MAGA’s culpability is quite honestly laughable.

Where did they go?

[UNI88]

1) MAGAt yahoos seem to believe that trump is fighting the "global puppet master" but what if he's in on the con and he's agitating his followers to help create "an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war"? Or what if he's running his own con to take power from the global puppet master for himself?

2) You posted it here, have you posted it on AGS in response to posters calling Democrats/liberals all sorts of vile names? It applies there just as much as it does here.

1) judging Trump on his foreign policy while he was President tells me he’s not for more wars, and Biden has done everything he can do to push the false narrative of how dangerous Trump voters are. It’s bullshit.

2) I’ve posted similar thoughts on AGS. I tell you what, I would trust the AGS group of conservatives any day, they are a fine group of people and I mean that.

1) Judging trump on his words and actions tell me that trump is for trump. He doesn't give a shit about you or me or the USA. He expects loyalty but he'd sell anyone and anything down the river for more money, power and/or influence.

2) So you've pointed out to those fine cultural conservatives on AGS who believe that Democrats/liberals are dipcrats, the most despicable POS on earth or that liberalism is a disease you've pointed out that they're victims of a play being put on by the global puppet master? clenz is no more gullible in his beliefs than they are.

[kalm]

The post above this was from Tim Nichols, who’s hardly a nutbag. He’s moderate conservative. He’s far from alone. Many, if not most moderate conservatives have left the party, both elected officials and centrist voters.

The division we see is sadly helped by the 4th estate, however, that division has been simmering for decades. Single issue activists from both sides drive it as well. From hardcore environmentalists to pro lifers and the church.

But to dismiss Trump’s and MAGA’s culpability is quite honestly laughable.

Where did they go?

Correction…they won’t vote for Trump or support his congressional boot kickers. The long term threat to the party is how/when the cult spell is broken

[Caribbean Hen]

1) judging Trump on his foreign policy while he was President tells me he’s not for more wars, and Biden has done everything he can do to push the false narrative of how dangerous Trump voters are. It’s bullshit.

2) I’ve posted similar thoughts on AGS. I tell you what, I would trust the AGS group of conservatives any day, they are a fine group of people and I mean that.

1) Judging trump on his words and actions tell me that trump is for trump. He doesn't give a shit about you or me or the USA. He expects loyalty but he'd sell anyone and anything down the river for more money, power and/or influence.

2) So you've pointed out to those fine cultural conservatives on AGS who believe that Democrats/liberals are dipcrats, the most despicable POS on earth or that liberalism is a disease you've pointed out that they're victims of a play being put on by the global puppet master? clenz is no more gullible in his beliefs than they are.

So why don’t you post on AGS political threads?

[Caribbean Hen]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

The post above this was from Tim Nichols, who’s hardly a nutbag. He’s moderate conservative. He’s far from alone. Many, if not most moderate conservatives have left the party, both elected officials and centrist voters.

The division we see is sadly helped by the 4th estate, however, that division has been simmering for decades. Single issue activists from both sides drive it as well. From hardcore environmentalists to pro lifers and the church.

But to dismiss Trump’s and MAGA’s culpability is quite honestly laughable.

“I was a Republican because I wanted a small, efficient government that believed in constitutional limits on its own power, a strong national defense, and the advancement of free markets. That party no longer exists.”

This is what MAGA is

The Dems don’t want any of that

[kalm]

The post above this was from Tim Nichols, who’s hardly a nutbag. He’s moderate conservative. He’s far from alone. Many, if not most moderate conservatives have left the party, both elected officials and centrist voters.

The division we see is sadly helped by the 4th estate, however, that division has been simmering for decades. Single issue activists from both sides drive it as well. From hardcore environmentalists to pro lifers and the church.

But to dismiss Trump’s and MAGA’s culpability is quite honestly laughable.

“I was a Republican because I wanted a small, efficient government that believed in constitutional limits on its own power, a strong national defense, and the advancement of free markets. That party no longer exists.”

This is what MAGA is

The Dems don’t want any of that

Plus the attempting to steal elections, racism, anti-semitism, grifting of millions off the presidency, etc.

That’s the part you are missing and why no reasonable conservatives support it.

[UNI88]

“I was a Republican because I wanted a small, efficient government that believed in constitutional limits on its own power, a strong national defense, and the advancement of free markets. That party no longer exists.”

This is what MAGA is

The Dems don’t want any of that

Plus the attempting to steal elections, racism, anti-semitism, grifting of millions off the presidency, etc.

That’s the part you are missing and why no reasonable conservatives support it.

There is plenty of anti-semitism in the Democratic Party.

Back to CH's points, trump (and by extension the MAGAt yahoos who support him) wants:

• a government that serves trump much, much more than they want a small, efficient government.
• constitutional limits on government power when that power is used against him. If he controls it, he wants unlimited power without any constitutional limits. Project 2025 is just the start.
• the USA to be isolationist and to allow dictators who trump feels a natural affinity with to have free reign to terrorize other countries.
• markets that enrich him and his friends and to punish private commercial entities that don't play their game (see Disney).

The trump, the Republican Party and those mentally ill MAGAt yahoo alphabet types are cultural conservatives whose priorities are:
1) trump, his ego, his power and his wealth.
2) Forcing their zealous cultural mores on everyone in their own version of woke.
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96) the advancement of free markets
97) small, efficient government
98) a strong national defense
98) constitutional limits on government power

[houndawg]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

yeah...straight outta San Juan...

[houndawg]

1) Judging trump on his words and actions tell me that trump is for trump. He doesn't give a shit about you or me or the USA. He expects loyalty but he'd sell anyone and anything down the river for more money, power and/or influence.

2) So you've pointed out to those fine cultural conservatives on AGS who believe that Democrats/liberals are dipcrats, the most despicable POS on earth or that liberalism is a disease you've pointed out that they're victims of a play being put on by the global puppet master? clenz is no more gullible in his beliefs than they are.

So why don’t you post on AGS political threads?

Based on your performance here the talent level wouldn't justify the effort.

[kalm]

Plus the attempting to steal elections, racism, anti-semitism, grifting of millions off the presidency, etc.

That’s the part you are missing and why no reasonable conservatives support it.

There is plenty of anti-semitism in the Democratic Party.

Back to CH's points, trump (and by extension the MAGAt yahoos who support him) wants:

• a government that serves trump much, much more than they want a small, efficient government.
• constitutional limits on government power when that power is used against him. If he controls it, he wants unlimited power without any constitutional limits. Project 2025 is just the start.
• the USA to be isolationist and to allow dictators who trump feels a natural affinity with to have free reign to terrorize other countries.
• markets that enrich him and his friends and to punish private commercial entities that don't play their game (see Disney).

The trump, the Republican Party and those mentally ill MAGAt yahoo alphabet types are cultural conservatives whose priorities are:
1) trump, his ego, his power and his wealth.
2) Forcing their zealous cultural mores on everyone in their own version of woke.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
96) the advancement of free markets
97) small, efficient government
98) a strong national defense
98) constitutional limits on government power

There might be a few in college campus like protests but I’m not aware of any who’ve reached Jewish space laser member of Congress or Nick Fuentes having dinner with the former president level yet.

Criticism of Israel does not necessarily equal anti-semitism. Especially now that certain Israeli government officials are making overtures to finish destroying Gaza and Bibi himself is using “From the River to the Sea” in public statements.

[Caribbean Hen]

There is plenty of anti-semitism in the Democratic Party.

Back to CH's points, trump (and by extension the MAGAt yahoos who support him) wants:

• a government that serves trump much, much more than they want a small, efficient government.
• constitutional limits on government power when that power is used against him. If he controls it, he wants unlimited power without any constitutional limits. Project 2025 is just the start.
• the USA to be isolationist and to allow dictators who trump feels a natural affinity with to have free reign to terrorize other countries.
• markets that enrich him and his friends and to punish private commercial entities that don't play their game (see Disney).

The trump, the Republican Party and those mentally ill MAGAt yahoo alphabet types are cultural conservatives whose priorities are:
1) trump, his ego, his power and his wealth.
2) Forcing their zealous cultural mores on everyone in their own version of woke.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
96) the advancement of free markets
97) small, efficient government
98) a strong national defense
98) constitutional limits on government power

There might be a few in college campus like protests but I’m not aware of any who’ve reached Jewish space laser member of Congress or Nick Fuentes having dinner with the former president level yet.

Criticism of Israel does not necessarily equal anti-semitism. Especially now that certain Israeli government officials are making overtures to finish destroying Gaza and Bibi himself is using “From the River to the Sea” in public statements.

Oh boy, you live underground

Mob outside Whitehouse and big protests in NYC never happened I guess

[kalm]

There might be a few in college campus like protests but I’m not aware of any who’ve reached Jewish space laser member of Congress or Nick Fuentes having dinner with the former president level yet.

Criticism of Israel does not necessarily equal anti-semitism. Especially now that certain Israeli government officials are making overtures to finish destroying Gaza and Bibi himself is using “From the River to the Sea” in public statements.

Oh boy, you live underground

Mob outside Whitehouse and big protests in NYC never happened I guess

I’m aware. How many were actual anti-Semites vs. protesting Israel’s genocidal efforts? Those aren’t the same.

[Caribbean Hen]

Could it be the the nutbags on each side of the political spectrum are being extremely amplified by what we read and see in the media specifically social media?

MAGA? Those “yahoos” didn’t show up for J6, 1/1000th of 1 % of Trump voters showed up and the left crams all 74 million of Trump voters into a small 1,000 or so package.

Fox News trolls conservatives … the news stories are mostly generated hyped issues that a few whack a do lefties actually support… just my opinion from the streets

The result of all the posturing creates an illusion the entire country is on the brink of a civil war…. I mean we have poor Clenz out there believing that all Trump voters are vile racist. He is a victim of a play being put on by the global puppet master. That is a word salad meaning we’re being played by someone for a reason.

One thing is for sure, the left has long been the king and holds the keys to the 4th estate, lots of friction created today with the right trying to catch up to the deceiving tactics of the left.

yeah...straight outta San Juan...

Like I said, if you’re gonna live in a Banana Republic, you need to be one step from Paradise…. not god forsaken Illinois

[Caribbean Hen]

Oh boy, you live underground

Mob outside Whitehouse and big protests in NYC never happened I guess

I’m aware. How many were actual anti-Semites vs. protesting Israel’s genocidal efforts? Those aren’t the same.

Biden has The Ukraine fighting Russia and now Israel fighting Iran .., global chaos on his watch.

[kalm]

An actual sane Republican voter seen in the wild…

[Caribbean Hen]

“I was a Republican because I wanted a small, efficient government that believed in constitutional limits on its own power, a strong national defense, and the advancement of free markets. That party no longer exists.”

This is what MAGA is

The Dems don’t want any of that

Plus the systematic multi faceted system in place for decades now to sway elections, racism, anti-semitism, grifting of millions of the presidency, Woke attorney generals not enforcing the law in our cities, defund the police, fake fact checkers monitoring the fake news, supporting reckless financial irresponsibility by allowing people to ignore loans, breaking the military, dictatorship like leadership on EV push when we’re just not ready etc.

That’s the part you are missing and why no reasonable democrats support it.