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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:33 pm
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No, it isn't. Remove the salary cap for contribution and all is well. :coffee:
Wrong. What you are paid out is based on what you pay in. So removing the cap would do nothing for insolvency.

And if the law was rewritten so the FICA tax cap was removed, but benefits were still capped, then that would make it nothing more than a socialist redistribution of wealth, in addition to the Ponzi scheme that it is.
Wrong. Not everybody who pays in collects - millions of people die before they ever draw a check after paying in their entire working life.

And lets not forget Congress using SS as their piggybank - payback the IOUs and were in good shape
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89 year old Feinstein makes it official today, then apparently forgot she made it official..
“I am announcing today I will not run for reelection in 2024 but intend to accomplish as much for California as I can through the end of next year when my term ends,"
A few hours later:
“I haven’t made that decision. I haven't released anything.”
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I always laugh at the idiots that cry about socialist redistribution of wealth while cheering the capitalist redistribution of wealth upwards.
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dbackjon wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:32 am I always laugh at the idiots that cry about socialist redistribution of wealth while cheering the capitalist redistribution of wealth upwards.
40 years of Reaganomics. :nod:
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dbackjon wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:32 am I always laugh at the idiots that cry about socialist redistribution of wealth while cheering the capitalist redistribution of wealth upwards.
I laugh at the idiots who think that we can severely reduce the capitalist incentive to compete and advance without impacting innovation that raises our standard of living and improves our quality of life.
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America would be stronger if we had a strong consumer class and didn't let woke corporations take so much of the economic production for their China ass kissing and BLM donations.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 5:04 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:58 pm

As everyone should but we know that isn’t reality whether they need to or not. Higher standard of living also creates demand there’s an economic benefit for businesses who make money off of senior dollars.

The libertarian approach looks good on paper. SS is a small price to pay for capitalism.
Where did I say I was for getting rid of SS?

So we just print more money? To hell with the deficit, it will never catch up with us. Short sighted thinking like that is a greater threat to this republic than trump ever was.
Of course not. :roll:






We'll borrow it from the SS fund! :thumb:
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:21 am
dbackjon wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:32 am I always laugh at the idiots that cry about socialist redistribution of wealth while cheering the capitalist redistribution of wealth upwards.
I laugh at the idiots who think that we can severely reduce the capitalist incentive to compete and advance without impacting innovation that raises our standard of living and improves our quality of life.
Other nations do it.

The United States did it for most of the 20th century.
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dbackjon wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:57 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:21 am
I laugh at the idiots who think that we can severely reduce the capitalist incentive to compete and advance without impacting innovation that raises our standard of living and improves our quality of life.
Other nations do it.

The United States did it for most of the 20th century.
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What were the tax rates between the mid 30's to the mid 60's? What happened to taxes in the 80's?

Ambition and greed help drive innovation. Why do you deny (social) science?
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:16 pm
dbackjon wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:57 pm

Other nations do it.

The United States did it for most of the 20th century.
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What were the tax rates between the mid 30's to the mid 60's? What happened to taxes in the 80's?

Ambition and greed help drive innovation. Why do you deny (social) science?
So does creativity. Ambition is not the same as greed. Creativity and ambition tend to not topple empires.

Have the Finns stopped innovating yet?
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:13 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:16 pm

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What were the tax rates between the mid 30's to the mid 60's? What happened to taxes in the 80's?

Ambition and greed help drive innovation. Why do you deny (social) science?
So does creativity. Ambition is not the same as greed. Creativity and ambition tend to not topple empires.

Have the Finns stopped innovating yet?
Let's ignore what happened in the US over the last 140 years. Our worst period for innovation occurred during the period of the highest tax rates. Let's ignore that high taxes are a weight on ambition, creativity and economic activity.

We need taxes, the question is how high should they be? I would argue that we're pretty close to the sweet spot. What was it Cleets said, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:57 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:13 am

So does creativity. Ambition is not the same as greed. Creativity and ambition tend to not topple empires.

Have the Finns stopped innovating yet?
Let's ignore what happened in the US over the last 140 years. Our worst period for innovation occurred during the period of the highest tax rates. Let's ignore that high taxes are a weight on ambition, creativity and economic activity.

We need taxes, the question is how high should they be? I would argue that we're pretty close to the sweet spot. What was it Cleets said, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

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Re: 2024 elections Congressional & State

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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:12 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:57 am

Let's ignore what happened in the US over the last 140 years. Our worst period for innovation occurred during the period of the highest tax rates. Let's ignore that high taxes are a weight on ambition, creativity and economic activity.

We need taxes, the question is how high should they be? I would argue that we're pretty close to the sweet spot. What was it Cleets said, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

I love this discussion.
You're not going down the Citizens United rabbit hole are you? It is far from perfect but it is not the root cause of all that is wrong with our government. There are a lot of factors that went into getting us to where we are now.

It's not just our tax system and debt that are out of control, our government is out of control. I just don't trust the schmucks we have in office now to be able to clean it up without making it worse.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:20 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:12 am

Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

I love this discussion.
You're not going down the Citizens United rabbit hole are you? It is far from perfect but it is not the root cause of all that is wrong with our government. There are a lot of factors that went into getting us to where we are now.

It's not just our tax system and debt that are out of control, our government is out of control. I just don't trust the schmucks we have in office now to be able to clean it up without making it worse.
Hence why I said “part of”. And the decisions prior to CU rendered it basically icing on the cake of corruption anyway.

The root cause is a dominator culture moving toward tge extreme end of selfishness and resistance to change. I’m fine with competition and who doesn’t like innovation?

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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:36 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:20 am

You're not going down the Citizens United rabbit hole are you? It is far from perfect but it is not the root cause of all that is wrong with our government. There are a lot of factors that went into getting us to where we are now.

It's not just our tax system and debt that are out of control, our government is out of control. I just don't trust the schmucks we have in office now to be able to clean it up without making it worse.
Hence why I said “part of”. And the decisions prior to CU rendered it basically icing on the cake of corruption anyway.

The root cause is a dominator culture moving toward tge extreme end of selfishness and resistance to change. I’m fine with competition and who doesn’t like innovation?

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The root cause is a "dominator" culture? :lol: We've been driven by a "dominator" culture for more 200 years. The breakdown in community as a result of technology and mobiliity has played a much greater part in the problems that you highlight than any "dominator" culture. You want government to fill that void when I don't see any evidence that they won't fvck it up. You also leave out the huge impact of the "entitled now" culture. Saving is for suckers, I'm entitled to free college, a living wage job, the newest iPhone, a 72" TV, a new Tahoe and a home where I want it.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:20 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:36 pm

Hence why I said “part of”. And the decisions prior to CU rendered it basically icing on the cake of corruption anyway.

The root cause is a dominator culture moving toward tge extreme end of selfishness and resistance to change. I’m fine with competition and who doesn’t like innovation?

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The root cause is a "dominator" culture? :lol: We've been driven by a "dominator" culture for more 200 years. The breakdown in community as a result of technology and mobiliity has played a much greater part in the problems that you highlight than any "dominator" culture. You want government to fill that void when I don't see any evidence that they won't fvck it up. You also leave out the huge impact of the "entitled now" culture. Saving is for suckers, I'm entitled to free college, a living wage job, the newest iPhone, a 72" TV, a new Tahoe and a home where I want it.
I want government to fill that void? Interesting.

BTW…”entitlement now” transcends party affiliation and wealth/status. It can also be a part of dominator culture.

At least that’s what all my entitled conk friends who own the libs tell me. ;)
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:12 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:57 am

Let's ignore what happened in the US over the last 140 years. Our worst period for innovation occurred during the period of the highest tax rates. Let's ignore that high taxes are a weight on ambition, creativity and economic activity.

We need taxes, the question is how high should they be? I would argue that we're pretty close to the sweet spot. What was it Cleets said, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

I love this discussion.
There hasn’t been bad times for innovation in the US. 19th century through this decade you would be hard pressed to name a single decade where there weren’t multiple major technological, scientofic, or medical inventions or discoveries in the US. The 1st Industrial Revolution in American late 18th century to mid 19th century was loaded with inventions. Civil War saw numerous war related inventions. 2nd industrial revolution US (post cil War to WWI) saw even more advancements in the US. Lot of innovation Roaring 20s and during the depression. Shitons in WWII. Same as 1950s & 1960s.
Our liftimes just a small sampling 1970s had PCs, Airbags, Pacemaker. 1980s had artificial heart, Hearing aid, Internet, analog cell phones and basically the start of the Digital Revolution. In the last 30+ years too much to list.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:39 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:12 am

Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

I love this discussion.
There hasn’t been bad times for innovation in the US. 19th century through this decade you would be hard pressed to name a single decade where there weren’t multiple major technological, scientofic, or medical inventions or discoveries in the US. The 1st Industrial Revolution in American late 18th century to mid 19th century was loaded with inventions. Civil War saw numerous war related inventions. 2nd industrial revolution US (post cil War to WWI) saw even more advancements in the US. Lot of innovation Roaring 20s and during the depression. Shitons in WWII. Same as 1950s & 1960s.
Our liftimes just a small sampling 1970s had PCs, Airbags, Pacemaker. 1980s had artificial heart, Hearing aid, Internet, analog cell phones and basically the start of the Digital Revolution. In the last 30+ years too much to list.
Don’t disagree. I didn’t say we’ve had bad times. It was response to 88’s graph and based in Strauss and Howe’s Generational Theory.
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:32 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 2:20 pm
The root cause is a "dominator" culture? :lol: We've been driven by a "dominator" culture for more 200 years. The breakdown in community as a result of technology and mobiliity has played a much greater part in the problems that you highlight than any "dominator" culture. You want government to fill that void when I don't see any evidence that they won't fvck it up. You also leave out the huge impact of the "entitled now" culture. Saving is for suckers, I'm entitled to free college, a living wage job, the newest iPhone, a 72" TV, a new Tahoe and a home where I want it.
I want government to fill that void? Interesting.

BTW…”entitlement now” transcends party affiliation and wealth/status. It can also be a part of dominator culture.

At least that’s what all my entitled conk friends who own the libs tell me. ;)
Community members used to voluntarily help other community members. Now thanks to mobility, technology, etc. communities are less connected and people aren't helping their neighbors the way they used to. Are you going to try and tell me that you haven't been an advocate of government filling that void?

Absolutely there are entitled people on both sides of the divide. If "entitlement now" is a part of the dominator culture, then Bernie, Warren, AOChe, AnTiFa, etc. are part of the dominator culture.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:50 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:32 pm

I want government to fill that void? Interesting.

BTW…”entitlement now” transcends party affiliation and wealth/status. It can also be a part of dominator culture.

At least that’s what all my entitled conk friends who own the libs tell me. ;)
Community members used to voluntarily help other community members. Now thanks to mobility, technology, etc. communities are less connected and people aren't helping their neighbors the way they used to. Are you going to try and tell me that you haven't been an advocate of government filling that void?

Absolutely there are entitled people on both sides of the divide. If "entitlement now" is a part of the dominator culture, then Bernie, Warren, AOChe, AnTiFa, etc. are part of the dominator culture.
I see your point in the first paragraph. It’s a solid speculation and there are probably some statistics worth looking at. I still see a lot of community support but that might be situational to my age, social circles, etc. is it enough? Certainly not if the working class are going to aspire to modern and convenient living and live within their means. There’s likely a ton of common ground for you and I in this respect and I’m certainly not going to wait around for government entities to take care of my civic responsibility.

But how do you reignite that private giving/volunteerism culture nationwide?

You could pick better examples of entitlement now than your socialist boogeyman…er people…er…
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kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:39 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:50 pm

Community members used to voluntarily help other community members. Now thanks to mobility, technology, etc. communities are less connected and people aren't helping their neighbors the way they used to. Are you going to try and tell me that you haven't been an advocate of government filling that void?

Absolutely there are entitled people on both sides of the divide. If "entitlement now" is a part of the dominator culture, then Bernie, Warren, AOChe, AnTiFa, etc. are part of the dominator culture.
I see your point in the first paragraph. It’s a solid speculation and there are probably some statistics worth looking at. I still see a lot of community support but that might be situational to my age, social circles, etc. is it enough? Certainly not if the working class are going to aspire to modern and convenient living and live within their means. There’s likely a ton of common ground for you and I in this respect and I’m certainly not going to wait around for government entities to take care of my civic responsibility.

But how do you reignite that private giving/volunteerism culture nationwide?

You could pick better examples of entitlement now than your socialist boogeyman…er people…er…
We probably do agree on a lot more than we disagree on.

Community support isn't dead but it isn't what it used to be. The mentally ill, jobless, etc. used to stay close to home and they would be supported but there were usually strings attached (jobless had to do odd jobs and look for work, addicts had to get clean, mentally ill had to take their meds). Now they can run somewhere else and be eligible for handouts/support without those strings. The solution can't just be about community and compassion, personal responsibility and consequences are important elements as well. From my perspective, the Democratic party wants to move us away from responsibility and consequences, they've decriminalized lots of minor offenses with disastrous results (see SF DA recall).

Supporting government payments to people without risk factors to not work during COVID is promoting entitlement. Advocating for a living wage for all jobs regardless of the value that some jobs add to the economy is advocating for entitlement. Just because my socialist boogeypeople aren't advocating for toxic white male entitlement doesn't mean they aren't advocating for entitlement. The feeling that society owes you something for nothing is entitlement regardless of social class.
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This should go under a 2023 Congressional & State thread, but not starting one, so will put this here. My PA state house rep, a donk, is resigning effective 3/16.
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There currently is one vacant seat in a deep red district that on the 5/16 primary will have a special election and go conk.

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Now: 102 donk, 100 conk, 1 open
3/16-5/16: 101 donk, 100 conk, 2 open
5/16: 101 donk, 101 conk, 1 open seat my district, special election to be held when?

My district (PA 163rd) was conk held 1979-2019. The donk resigning has held it for the last 4 years. As I’m reading it, in PA the house speaker, a donk, has to call for a special election, but no timetable specified. Don’t think can wait until 2024, though. If that’s the case, going to come down to my used to be red/now purple district for control of the PA state house for at least a year.

Now PA has a donk gov/Lt gov/Attorney Gen, but conks control the Senate 28-22. So who controls the PA House won’t make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things though.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:20 am
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:12 am

Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

I love this discussion.
You're not going down the Citizens United rabbit hole are you? It is far from perfect but it is not the root cause of all that is wrong with our government. There are a lot of factors that went into getting us to where we are now.

It's not just our tax system and debt that are out of control, our government is out of control. I just don't trust the schmucks we have in office now to be able to clean it up without making it worse.
Thats like saying guns kill people. :roll:
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:39 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:12 am

Anglo-American history is cyclical. The worst times for innovation also coincided with prolonged crisis periods (EG: civil war preceded by revolutionary war and followed by The Depression and WWII). which occur ever 80-100 years…or the approximate time it takes for a generation growing up during the crisis period to pass on leaving an ignorance towards what caused the last one to occur in the general zeitgeist.

Not to mention there are other factors beyond taxes at play regarding innovation.

Hell, we could also say our most severe economic downturns followed eras of low taxes and deregulation.

Our tax system is out of control. So is our debt. Part of that is campaign finance related and part of it is controlling and providing for a population of 330 million.

I love this discussion.
There hasn’t been bad times for innovation in the US. 19th century through this decade you would be hard pressed to name a single decade where there weren’t multiple major technological, scientofic, or medical inventions or discoveries in the US. The 1st Industrial Revolution in American late 18th century to mid 19th century was loaded with inventions. Civil War saw numerous war related inventions. 2nd industrial revolution US (post cil War to WWI) saw even more advancements in the US. Lot of innovation Roaring 20s and during the depression. Shitons in WWII. Same as 1950s & 1960s.
Our liftimes just a small sampling 1970s had PCs, Airbags, Pacemaker. 1980s had artificial heart, Hearing aid, Internet, analog cell phones and basically the start of the Digital Revolution. In the last 30+ years too much to list.
Yeah I have to agree with BDK here. Since the cotton gin in 1794, the US really hasn't had a decade pass w/o some sort of innovation that pushed us forward. You could probably pick a year in the past 60 years and there was something.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say Kalm. I yield you time to explain. :)
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