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Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:48 pm
by UNI88
kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:41 pm
He’s a freedom fighter for sure.
Just like you and the other Ctrl-lefties saving America from fascism. :D


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Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:06 pm
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:48 pm
kalm wrote:
He’s a freedom fighter for sure.
Just like you and the other Ctrl-lefties saving America from fascism. :D


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You’re welcome. Somebody has to save you Volkssturm from yourselves. :)

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:08 pm
by houndawg
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:41 pm
:rofl:

"...from my cold dead hands!"


We have an induction type electric stove and they're the shit, instantaneous adjustment. I think you're going to see plenty of voluntary transition

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:04 pm
by GannonFan
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:08 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:41 pm
:rofl:

"...from my cold dead hands!"


We have an induction type electric stove and they're the shit, instantaneous adjustment. I think you're going to see plenty of voluntary transition
Gotta come down in price, though, still way too expensive versus the gas stoves. Plus for folks with gas stoves there's the cost to cap the gas line and potentially install the electric for the new stove that wouldn't be there (or at least be able to increase the breaker size). I'll do it eventually, but I may also sell the house first (maybe the next 10 years) before I get around to getting a new stove.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:41 pm
by houndawg
GannonFan wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:04 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:08 pm

:rofl:

"...from my cold dead hands!"


We have an induction type electric stove and they're the shit, instantaneous adjustment. I think you're going to see plenty of voluntary transition
Gotta come down in price, though, still way too expensive versus the gas stoves. Plus for folks with gas stoves there's the cost to cap the gas line and potentially install the electric for the new stove that wouldn't be there (or at least be able to increase the breaker size). I'll do it eventually, but I may also sell the house first (maybe the next 10 years) before I get around to getting a new stove.
True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:49 pm
by GannonFan
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:41 pm
GannonFan wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:04 pm

Gotta come down in price, though, still way too expensive versus the gas stoves. Plus for folks with gas stoves there's the cost to cap the gas line and potentially install the electric for the new stove that wouldn't be there (or at least be able to increase the breaker size). I'll do it eventually, but I may also sell the house first (maybe the next 10 years) before I get around to getting a new stove.
True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops
We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:12 pm
by houndawg
GannonFan wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:49 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:41 pm

True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops
We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.
caxt iron works, aluminum doesn't

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:14 pm
by GannonFan
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:12 pm
GannonFan wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:49 pm

We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.
caxt iron works, aluminum doesn't
Yup, I'm familiar with the science of induction heating. :thumb:

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:21 pm
by houndawg
GannonFan wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:14 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:12 pm

caxt iron works, aluminum doesn't
Yup, I'm familiar with the science of induction heating. :thumb:
cool! Educate me - what's the threshhold for ferric content in piece of cookware to be usable on an induction range? I ask because we have a 40 year collection of cookware that I'm sure can be mostly given away

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:41 pm
by BDKJMU

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:38 pm
by houndawg
GannonFan wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:49 pm
houndawg wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:41 pm

True they aren't cheap yet and you need the right cookware, but if you haven't used one yet you're going to be surprised at the control you have, every bit as responsive as gas boil a tea kettle in 3 min and the instant, well there is a slight latency, no more than half a second from turning it down until the whistling stops
We use induction heating in a lot of applications at work so I'm well familiar with them. I think they'll be plenty fine, as long as we're good with the electrical generation/consumption that will be required - they do require some power to function. As for the latency mention, the whistling from a tea kettle is from the vapor pressure of the boiling water. Just cutting the power isn't going to cut the whistling in an instant - the water is still at boiling temperature even if you cut off the heating power. That's probably just a function of your tea kettle having a whistle that needs a lot of pressure to whistle. My tea kettle on my gas range takes a second or two to stop when I cut the gas off, but I had one before this, same gas range, that took several seconds to stop whistling. It's a tea kettle thing.

And I'm fine with buying new cookware (assuming the ones I have aren't already induction ready). People should really replace their cookware more often anyway - that's where the real health issues arise. That probably swamps any health issues from burning gas.
Yes, thats true; my point is that the same kettle responds very differently to an induction range than a conventional electric range.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:29 am
by Pwns
Reality wins over fear! :thumb:


Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:25 pm
by GannonFan
Pwns wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:29 am Reality wins over fear! :thumb:

Still doesn't fix the 40 year hole that crazed greens put us in by fearmongering on nuclear power for so long, but still a step in the right direction.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:20 pm
by SeattleGriz
Why does something tell me the public won't get to see either the data or the methodology?

Science quacks.


Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:54 am
by Winterborn
Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:20 am
by GannonFan
Winterborn wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:54 am Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.
That's interesting. Industrially, the induction heaters we have certainly hum when power is engaged, which isn't really a detriment in a manufacturing plant. It would be interesting to see/hear the ones meant for use in the home. I agree, a noisy one in the house wouldn't be terribly attractive.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:00 am
by Winterborn
GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:20 am
Winterborn wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:54 am Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.
That's interesting. Industrially, the induction heaters we have certainly hum when power is engaged, which isn't really a detriment in a manufacturing plant. It would be interesting to see/hear the ones meant for use in the home. I agree, a noisy one in the house wouldn't be terribly attractive.
I have been around the industry sized ones and that is a deeper hum, this was a higher pitch "buzz" that was probably towards the upper ranger of hearing (probably due to the power levels involved). If one has good hearing in that range, it is going to be hard to ignore.

That said I have only played with that one Bosch one, so not sure what the other brands are like, but now I definitely would want to try one out in the store before purchasing.

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:29 pm
by houndawg
GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:20 am
Winterborn wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:54 am Played with a new Bosch induction stove at the house we rented when we were in Phoenix and I wasn't impressed with them. The whine that people complain about is very much present and for the model we used anything over mid-heat it was there and became louder the higher the temp.

The noise was irritating enough that I would pass on getting one for personal use. Heating was not much faster than gas stoves I have used and outside of the ease of cleaning the surface, I didn't see the benefit considering the price tag on them.
That's interesting. Industrially, the induction heaters we have certainly hum when power is engaged, which isn't really a detriment in a manufacturing plant. It would be interesting to see/hear the ones meant for use in the home. I agree, a noisy one in the house wouldn't be terribly attractive.
Ours sounds like turning on your range hood

Re: Some good news on climate

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:49 am
by Pwns
Someone tell me what's worse, Donald Trump saying he's pulling out of the purely symbolic Paris Pinky Promise or the dumbass Germany closing down 3 nuclear plants? There is a correct answer.

Climate Change Thread Megathread

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:55 pm
by UNI88
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Re: Climate Change Thread Megathread

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:07 pm
by houndawg
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:55 pm Image
The debate is only academic now, we're past the tipping point regardless :coffee:

Re: Climate Change Thread Megathread

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:59 pm
by BDKJMU
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:55 pm Image
Look at the dates. They were polled at the peak of summer in the middle of a heat wave wirh all the accompanying alarmist news compared to the last poll being done in the middle of the fall with nothing going on.. :lol:

Now do the same poll like the last one, in the middle of Oct..

Re: Climate Change Thread Megathread

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:18 pm
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:55 pm Image
Impacts for me:

Cost and availability of water both public and private. Restrictions on what crops to grow for our farmed land and our garden.

Draught and irrigation impacts on golf local golf courses, the lakes and streams I like to fish and the habitats I love.

Population increases to our area from hotter climates.

Increased threat of skin cancer (wife already had melanoma once).

I’m resigned to accepting what happens. It’s impossible to be an American and not hypocritical on climate. Our lifestyle demands it. But I’ll continue to work on being better about the small things within my control like gardening, less consumption, recycling, etc.

Re: Climate Change Thread Megathread

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:28 pm
by UNI88
kalm wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:18 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:55 pm Image
Impacts for me:

Cost and availability of water both public and private. Restrictions on what crops to grow for our farmed land and our garden.

Draught and irrigation impacts on golf local golf courses, the lakes and streams I like to fish and the habitats I love.

Population increases to our area from hotter climates.

Increased threat of skin cancer (wife already had melanoma once).

I’m resigned to accepting what happens. It’s impossible to be an American and not hypocritical on climate. Our lifestyle demands it. But I’ll continue to work on being better about the small things within my control like gardening, less consumption, recycling, etc.
What is the impact of golf courses on climate and the environment? Do they use too much water and harm the ecosystem? Would we be better off returning golf courses to native vegetation? Maybe you should close down your course to really demonstrate your commitment.

Re: Climate Change Thread Megathread

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:30 pm
by UNI88
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:59 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:55 pm Image
Look at the dates. They were polled at the peak of summer in the middle of a heat wave wirh all the accompanying alarmist news compared to the last poll being done in the middle of the fall with nothing going on.. :lol:

Now do the same poll like the last one, in the middle of Oct..
Fair point. My guess is that it won't be as bad as the current poll but will still be worse than the October 2021 poll.

Attitudes are gradually changing and MAGAt yahoo statements and policies could be on the wrong side of public opinion in the future.