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Re: Common Sense Gun Control

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kalm wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:31 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:38 am
So we need to get rid of the military and return to volunteer militias?

That's my interesting take on your interesting take ... :coffee:
No…that ended with the war of 1812. A standing federal army is necessary. But not against its own people.
And how did we get a standing army if it wasn't allowed?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:33 am
kalm wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:31 am

No…that ended with the war of 1812. A standing federal army is necessary. But not against its own people.
And how did we get a standing army if it wasn't allowed?
It was allowed under the constitution, but also feared. Hence the appropriations rule.
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kalm wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:17 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:33 am
And how did we get a standing army if it wasn't allowed?
It was allowed under the constitution, but also feared. Hence the appropriations rule.
And the Constitution was amended as early as 1795, just over 3 years after the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment, was added. Why didn't the Founders (or others in the years since) update the 2nd Amendment to reflect this at that time?

The 2nd Amendment might not have been meant to be interpreted exactly the way gun rights advocates are interpreting it but it's equally plausible that it wasn't meant to be interpreted the way that anti-gun advocates are interpreting it.

Do we need to do something? Yes. Are we realistically going to change the way the 2nd Amendment is being interpreted and applied to limit gun rights? No. So why are liberals focusing on that rather than looking for solutions that can actually be implemented? Do they want to solve the problem and save lives? Or do they want to use the issue to rile up their base, raise funds and get votes?

Similar questions can be asked of conservatives. Neither side really gives two sh!ts about the lives, it's about money, votes and ultimately power.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:10 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:17 am

It was allowed under the constitution, but also feared. Hence the appropriations rule.
And the Constitution was amended as early as 1795, just over 3 years after the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment, was added. Why didn't the Founders (or others in the years since) update the 2nd Amendment to reflect this at that time?

The 2nd Amendment might not have been meant to be interpreted exactly the way gun rights advocates are interpreting it but it's equally plausible that it wasn't meant to be interpreted the way that anti-gun advocates are interpreting it.

Do we need to do something? Yes. Are we realistically going to change the way the 2nd Amendment is being interpreted and applied to limit gun rights? No. So why are liberals focusing on that rather than looking for solutions that can actually be implemented? Do they want to solve the problem and save lives? Or do they want to use the issue to rile up their base, raise funds and get votes?

Similar questions can be asked of conservatives. Neither side really gives two sh!ts about the lives, it's about money, votes and ultimately power.
If they cared about lives, they'd be picketing in front of Cheesecake Factory or a Toyota dealership. 700,000 Americans died of heart disease last year, and 46,000 were killed by a car. 20,000 were murdered by a gun.

If you want to save the fucking children, introduce them to oatmeal, salads, lean meat, and bicycles.

Priorities, motherfuckers.
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There are data on the following things at Worldpopulationreview.com:

Homicide rates by jurisdiction (mostly countries): https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country
Gun ownership rate by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country
Development level by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... -countries
Freedom level by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/count ... by-country

I ran some correlations and got this:

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93henfan wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:55 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:10 pm

And the Constitution was amended as early as 1795, just over 3 years after the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment, was added. Why didn't the Founders (or others in the years since) update the 2nd Amendment to reflect this at that time?

The 2nd Amendment might not have been meant to be interpreted exactly the way gun rights advocates are interpreting it but it's equally plausible that it wasn't meant to be interpreted the way that anti-gun advocates are interpreting it.

Do we need to do something? Yes. Are we realistically going to change the way the 2nd Amendment is being interpreted and applied to limit gun rights? No. So why are liberals focusing on that rather than looking for solutions that can actually be implemented? Do they want to solve the problem and save lives? Or do they want to use the issue to rile up their base, raise funds and get votes?

Similar questions can be asked of conservatives. Neither side really gives two sh!ts about the lives, it's about money, votes and ultimately power.
If they cared about lives, they'd be picketing in front of Cheesecake Factory or a Toyota dealership. 700,000 Americans died of heart disease last year, and 46,000 were killed by a car. 20,000 were murdered by a gun.

If you want to save the fucking children, introduce them to oatmeal, salads, lean meat, and bicycles.

Priorities, motherfuckers.
And cut out the damn gluten!
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kalm wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:40 pm
93henfan wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:55 pm

If they cared about lives, they'd be picketing in front of Cheesecake Factory or a Toyota dealership. 700,000 Americans died of heart disease last year, and 46,000 were killed by a car. 20,000 were murdered by a gun.

If you want to save the fucking children, introduce them to oatmeal, salads, lean meat, and bicycles.

Priorities, motherfuckers.
And cut out the damn gluten!
Yes! Gluttony is bullshit!!
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93henfan wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:10 pm And the Constitution was amended as early as 1795, just over 3 years after the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment, was added. Why didn't the Founders (or others in the years since) update the 2nd Amendment to reflect this at that time?

The 2nd Amendment might not have been meant to be interpreted exactly the way gun rights advocates are interpreting it but it's equally plausible that it wasn't meant to be interpreted the way that anti-gun advocates are interpreting it.

Do we need to do something? Yes. Are we realistically going to change the way the 2nd Amendment is being interpreted and applied to limit gun rights? No. So why are liberals focusing on that rather than looking for solutions that can actually be implemented? Do they want to solve the problem and save lives? Or do they want to use the issue to rile up their base, raise funds and get votes?

Similar questions can be asked of conservatives. Neither side really gives two sh!ts about the lives, it's about money, votes and ultimately power.
If they cared about lives, they'd be picketing in front of Cheesecake Factory or a Toyota dealership. 700,000 Americans died of heart disease last year, and 46,000 were killed by a car. 20,000 were murdered by a gun.

If you want to save the fucking children, introduce them to oatmeal, salads, lean meat, and bicycles.

Priorities, motherfuckers.
Would Republican priorities shift if nutjobs started targeting evangelical churches instead of schools?

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:27 pm
93henfan wrote:
If they cared about lives, they'd be picketing in front of Cheesecake Factory or a Toyota dealership. 700,000 Americans died of heart disease last year, and 46,000 were killed by a car. 20,000 were murdered by a gun.

If you want to save the fucking children, introduce them to oatmeal, salads, lean meat, and bicycles.

Priorities, motherfuckers.
Would Republican priorities shift if nutjobs started targeting evangelical churches instead of schools?

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Or synagogues.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:28 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:27 pm Would Republican priorities shift if nutjobs started targeting evangelical churches instead of schools?

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Or synagogues.
I am sure you both are aware of the shootings that have happened over the last few years at both places. :coffee:
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Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:47 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:28 am

Or synagogues.
I am sure you both are aware of the shootings that have happened over the last few years at both places. :coffee:
So the answer is no?

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kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:00 am
Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:47 am

I am sure you both are aware of the shootings that have happened over the last few years at both places. :coffee:
So the answer is no?
The answer is that they are consistent.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:57 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:00 am

So the answer is no?
The answer is that they are consistent.
So are hobgoblins.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:02 am
Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:57 am

The answer is that they are consistent.
So are hobgoblins.
And hobbits. Just look at their meal plan!

Breakfast - 7 a.m.
Second Breakfast - 9 a.m.
Elevenses - 11 a.m.
Luncheon - 1 p.m.
Afternoon Tea - 3 p.m.
Dinner - 6 p.m.
Supper - 9 p.m.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:16 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:02 am

So are hobgoblins.
And hobbits. Just look at their meal plan!

Breakfast - 7 a.m.
Second Breakfast - 9 a.m.
Elevenses - 11 a.m.
Luncheon - 1 p.m.
Afternoon Tea - 3 p.m.
Dinner - 6 p.m.
Supper - 9 p.m.
That’s actually a solid plan depending on the portions. Better for energy and digestion than 3 squares IMO.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:47 am
kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:28 am
Or synagogues.
I am sure you both are aware of the shootings that have happened over the last few years at both places. :coffee:
Wait, nutjobs have been shooting people at churches and synagogues? Where is the liberal outcry to protect the peaceful worshippers? They claim that conservatives only care about life up to birth but aren't they showing that they don't care about older, typically white Christians and Jews? How do they justify their hypocrisy?
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kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:36 am
Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:16 am

And hobbits. Just look at their meal plan!

Breakfast - 7 a.m.
Second Breakfast - 9 a.m.
Elevenses - 11 a.m.
Luncheon - 1 p.m.
Afternoon Tea - 3 p.m.
Dinner - 6 p.m.
Supper - 9 p.m.
That’s actually a solid plan depending on the portions. Better for energy and digestion than 3 squares IMO.
Agree. I try to follow some of it but struggle with portions and timing. I feel better when I do though.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:54 am
Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:47 am

I am sure you both are aware of the shootings that have happened over the last few years at both places. :coffee:
Wait, nutjobs have been shooting people at churches and synagogues? Where is the liberal outcry to protect the peaceful worshippers? They claim that conservatives only care about life up to birth but aren't they showing that they don't care about older, typically white Christians and Jews? How do they justify their hypocrisy?
Unfortunately nutjobs are everywhere and come in all colors and creeds.

And there is enough hypocrisy to spread around from all parties that we could build a bridge to the moon and back with it.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:22 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:54 am

Wait, nutjobs have been shooting people at churches and synagogues? Where is the liberal outcry to protect the peaceful worshippers? They claim that conservatives only care about life up to birth but aren't they showing that they don't care about older, typically white Christians and Jews? How do they justify their hypocrisy?
Unfortunately nutjobs are everywhere and come in all colors and creeds.

And there is enough hypocrisy to spread around from all parties that we could build a bridge to the moon and back with it.
You’re the inventor-engineer type. Get cracking’!
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kalm wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:25 am
Winterborn wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:22 am

Unfortunately nutjobs are everywhere and come in all colors and creeds.

And there is enough hypocrisy to spread around from all parties that we could build a bridge to the moon and back with it.
You’re the inventor-engineer type. Get cracking’!
I am working on a different idea that would make bridges obsolete. :D
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Ibanez wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:56 am
Col Hogan wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:51 am

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But that's a straw man argument, IMO. Your position is basically, we are stuck with an 18th Century law so deal with it. The right to own a firearm isn't above another's right to live.
The right to own a firearm is absolutely above another one's right to live.

My firearm will never kill anyone unless they are projecting evil on me or my family. It's not the gun and if you don't like it get armed and quit being a victim
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houndawg wrote: Thu May 26, 2022 4:00 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 pm

Why did obamacare mess up a lot of healthcare programs. It could have been written to help the people that needed help.

Conks shit on any idea that gives the government more control and tax avenues. How about any new gun owner needs to be trained and maybe sponsored by the trainer when purchasing a gun.
And maybe not having access to rapid-fire high-capacity semi-auto weapons. Man up and join up if you want to play Army with the real thing.
Better yet take the "weapons of war" from the government and lead by example. Then maybe we can have a discussion about it, until them I'm cool with the way it is now.
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SDHornet wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 9:36 pm
Absolutely and that's why it's not even open for discussion
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Bobcat wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Wed May 25, 2022 8:56 am The right to own a firearm is absolutely above another one's right to live.

My firearm will never kill anyone unless they are projecting evil on me or my family. It's not the gun and if you don't like it get armed and quit being a victim
Sorry. Nothing is greater than the right to live. You’re telling me an inanimate object has more rights and deserves more protection than a human life. That doesn’t sound very pro-life.


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Ibanez wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:02 pm
Bobcat wrote: Sorry. Nothing is greater than the right to live. You’re telling me an inanimate object has more rights and deserves more protection than a human life. That doesn’t sound very pro-life.


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My right to live is protected by my gun of choice. I won't be a victim neither will my family. The good news is we avoid places that have high probabilitys of violence like schools, hospitals and malls. Soft targets kill.
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