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Re: Culture Wars

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CAA Flagship wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:19 am
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Throw in a warm six pack and it's a deal. :mrgreen:
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Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 6:16 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:55 am
Legal according to whom? Fed or state? Heck, on the act of abortion I am probably about in the center. The only thing right about my stance on it is it being a states’ rights issue for the simple fact its not addressed in the Constitution (nor is a right to privacy)/10 Amendment.

I agree it should be legal (with certain restrictions below).
The restrictions IMHOP:
-Parental notification/permission for minors for all medical surgeries.
-No partial birth.
-No taxpayer funding of abortion.

Outisde of that IMHOP should remain legal for the 1st 5 months or so (until the fetus is viable), and the only exception after that when the woman’s LIFE (not ‘health’) was in danger.
Federally legal. And i'm fine with your restrictions. No 3rd trimester abortions.

The SC has said the right to travel is an unenumerated rate. Should that be left of to the states? I understand not trampling on states rights but an issue like womens health and the life of children might just trump that.
Ignoring whatever SCOTUS has said over the years about anything, but just by going off reading the text of the Constituion alone as written, I don’t see how one could interpret it as federally legal (or illegal) without completely ignoring the 10th Amendment.
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Re: Culture Wars

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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:11 am
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:lol: I hate the game, not the player. But I'm thinking of trading you. :kisswink:
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kalm wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:03 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:11 am
I'll give you an old tic tac, a paperclip and a broker rubber band for Kalm.
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Quiet or I'm sending you down to the minors (AGS). :kisswink:
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:42 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 6:16 am
Federally legal. And i'm fine with your restrictions. No 3rd trimester abortions.

The SC has said the right to travel is an unenumerated rate. Should that be left of to the states? I understand not trampling on states rights but an issue like womens health and the life of children might just trump that.
Ignoring whatever SCOTUS has said over the years about anything, but just by going off reading the text of the Constituion alone as written, I don’t see how one could interpret it as federally legal (or illegal) without completely ignoring the 10th Amendment.
I guess it requires the Constitution to live as society evolves.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:42 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 6:16 am
Federally legal. And i'm fine with your restrictions. No 3rd trimester abortions.

The SC has said the right to travel is an unenumerated rate. Should that be left of to the states? I understand not trampling on states rights but an issue like womens health and the life of children might just trump that.
Ignoring whatever SCOTUS has said over the years about anything, but just by going off reading the text of the Constituion alone as written, I don’t see how one could interpret it as federally legal (or illegal) without completely ignoring the 10th Amendment.
The 10th amendment is probably the most least-cited amendment when it comes to legal opinions. That and the 9th are nice amendments, but they don't really factor in very much when legal opinions are written on most anything. :coffee:
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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:51 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:42 am

Ignoring whatever SCOTUS has said over the years about anything, but just by going off reading the text of the Constituion alone as written, I don’t see how one could interpret it as federally legal (or illegal) without completely ignoring the 10th Amendment.
The 10th amendment is probably the most least-cited amendment when it comes to legal opinions. That and the 9th are nice amendments, but they don't really factor in very much when legal opinions are written on most anything. :coffee:
How…unoriginal? :coffee: :mrgreen:
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kalm wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:58 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:51 am

The 10th amendment is probably the most least-cited amendment when it comes to legal opinions. That and the 9th are nice amendments, but they don't really factor in very much when legal opinions are written on most anything. :coffee:
How…unoriginal? :coffee: :mrgreen:
There's just more meat in the rest of them. And as we've seen here in just a couple of posts, one guy argues that because it's not on the list doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and the other saying that if it's not on the list the federal government can't claim it. The two amendments together are kind of self defeating. In the spirit of Calhoun, they almost nullify each other. :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 11:48 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 10:42 am

Ignoring whatever SCOTUS has said over the years about anything, but just by going off reading the text of the Constituion alone as written, I don’t see how one could interpret it as federally legal (or illegal) without completely ignoring the 10th Amendment.
I guess it requires the Constitution to live as society evolves.
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A positive story from the culture wars. CONCACAF officials didn’t like some pro-trans banners, but…

Seattle, ‘Murica!

Then they sent @TaylorGraham26 to be the bad guy. Taylor is not their pawn though. He, and our entire club, share these values. After more deliberation, Taylor came over and told me that wouldn't be taking the banners down.

I don't know what happened on their side of this story. But I KNOW there were pissed off CONCACAF officials. I KNOW our club took the heat. And I KNOW that under pressure they chose to stand and fight for our shared values.

We are so fortunate that our club is committed to winning everything we play for on the field, but also that our club is built on a foundation of strong values that they will stand and defend. Huge thanks to all those @SoundersFC who fought this battle yesterday.
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CAA Flagship wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
Winterborn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:37 am

This in a nut shell. I grew up thinking I was a republican but doing my own research and chats with a brother of mine, made me realize I was not.

This site helped. :mrgreen:
You guys aren't libertarians either. You are just closer to libertarian. Don't fall into the -ism trap that kalm loves. No rational thinking person fits 100% into any one category of anything. There are not too many macro things in this world that are "black or white". They are all a sum of micro blacks and whites that result in gray. And there are very few that might match that exact combination of micros.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 6:26 am
CAA Flagship wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
You guys aren't libertarians either. You are just closer to libertarian. Don't fall into the -ism trap that kalm loves. No rational thinking person fits 100% into any one category of anything. There are not too many macro things in this world that are "black or white". They are all a sum of micro blacks and whites that result in gray. And there are very few that might match that exact combination of micros.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 6:26 am
CAA Flagship wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
You guys aren't libertarians either. You are just closer to libertarian. Don't fall into the -ism trap that kalm loves. No rational thinking person fits 100% into any one category of anything. There are not too many macro things in this world that are "black or white". They are all a sum of micro blacks and whites that result in gray. And there are very few that might match that exact combination of micros.
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And if I am talking to a blond, I am just an independent. ;)
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UNI88 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:29 am
Winterborn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 6:26 am

Strict fiscal constitutionalist with libertarian social tendencies.

And if I am talking to a blond, I am just an independent. ;)
Flaggy's an Italian, how do you explain it to him?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:29 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:29 am
Flaggy's an Italian, how do you explain it to him?
Only queers eat only thin crust or put pineapple on pizzas.
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Winterborn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 6:26 am
CAA Flagship wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 9:23 am
You guys aren't libertarians either. You are just closer to libertarian. Don't fall into the -ism trap that kalm loves. No rational thinking person fits 100% into any one category of anything. There are not too many macro things in this world that are "black or white". They are all a sum of micro blacks and whites that result in gray. And there are very few that might match that exact combination of micros.
Strict fiscal constitutionalist with libertarian social tendencies.

And if I am talking to a blond, I am just an independent. ;)
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Winterborn wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 6:26 am Strict fiscal constitutionalist with libertarian social tendencies.

And if I am talking to a blond, I am just an independent. ;)
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:35 am
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Strict fiscal constitutionalist with libertarian social tendencies.

And if I am talking to a blond, I am just an independent. ;)
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HI54UNI wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 11:21 am
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HI54UNI wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 11:21 am Mods - drop the ban hammer! :pissed:

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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:29 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:29 am

Flaggy's an Italian, how do you explain it to him?
Only queers put pineapple on pizzas.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 9:35 am
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houndawg wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 3:10 pm
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Really pretty much any MVFC school fits…
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Really pretty much any MVFC school fits…
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