So, can we count globalism a failure now?
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So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Remember when we were told that places like China and Russia would become modern democracies if we just shipped enough jobs overseas and opened enough markets to them? Yeah, not only did that not happen but they're using their power and influence to literally subjugate neighbors.
Now we're not only way past the point of doing any kind of economic warfare on China on the scale of what we're doing to Russia but we also can't do so much as institute a no-fly-zone since the country we'd be working against has nuclear weapons.
So where do we go from here?
And in case anyone asks, yeah I count myself among those that got duped.
Now we're not only way past the point of doing any kind of economic warfare on China on the scale of what we're doing to Russia but we also can't do so much as institute a no-fly-zone since the country we'd be working against has nuclear weapons.
So where do we go from here?
And in case anyone asks, yeah I count myself among those that got duped.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
fight like hell to keep wages downPwns wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:26 am Remember when we were told that places like China and Russia would become modern democracies if we just shipped enough jobs overseas and opened enough markets to them? Yeah, not only did that not happen but they're using their power and influence to literally subjugate neighbors.
Now we're not only way past the point of doing any kind of economic warfare on China on the scale of what we're doing to Russia but we also can't do so much as institute a no-fly-zone since the country we'd be working against has nuclear weapons.
So where do we go from here?
And in case anyone asks, yeah I count myself among those that got duped.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Says the Chinese apologist.houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:24 amfight like hell to keep wages downPwns wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:26 am Remember when we were told that places like China and Russia would become modern democracies if we just shipped enough jobs overseas and opened enough markets to them? Yeah, not only did that not happen but they're using their power and influence to literally subjugate neighbors.
Now we're not only way past the point of doing any kind of economic warfare on China on the scale of what we're doing to Russia but we also can't do so much as institute a no-fly-zone since the country we'd be working against has nuclear weapons.
So where do we go from here?
And in case anyone asks, yeah I count myself among those that got duped.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Many people can be forgiven for thinking China would moderate if allowed to participate in the global markets. Deng Xiaoping was a true reformer, and IMO much more moderate than Xi Jinping.Pwns wrote:Remember when we were told that places like China and Russia would become modern democracies if we just shipped enough jobs overseas and opened enough markets to them? Yeah, not only did that not happen but they're using their power and influence to literally subjugate neighbors.
Now we're not only way past the point of doing any kind of economic warfare on China on the scale of what we're doing to Russia but we also can't do so much as institute a no-fly-zone since the country we'd be working against has nuclear weapons.
So where do we go from here?
And in case anyone asks, yeah I count myself among those that got duped.
The problem is that when it became obvious that China was not going to moderate, and in fact was going to take a nasty nationalist turn, we had pols who knew it but were still trying to eke out their last bit of cash before China became poisonous. That is purely the Clintons and then later the less talented Bidens cleaning up the scraps like hind-tit hogs
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
CID1990 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:36 pmMany people can be forgiven for thinking China would moderate if allowed to participate in the global markets. Deng Xiaoping was a true reformer, and IMO much more moderate than Xi Jinping.Pwns wrote:Remember when we were told that places like China and Russia would become modern democracies if we just shipped enough jobs overseas and opened enough markets to them? Yeah, not only did that not happen but they're using their power and influence to literally subjugate neighbors.
Now we're not only way past the point of doing any kind of economic warfare on China on the scale of what we're doing to Russia but we also can't do so much as institute a no-fly-zone since the country we'd be working against has nuclear weapons.
So where do we go from here?
And in case anyone asks, yeah I count myself among those that got duped.
The problem is that when it became obvious that China was not going to moderate, and in fact was going to take a nasty nationalist turn, we had pols who knew it but were still trying to eke out their last bit of cash before China became poisonous. That is purely the Clintons and then later the less talented Bidens cleaning up the scraps like hind-tit hogs
This and globalization has always been about more than just China and Russia. It's about what the US has done to promote and protect commerce around the globe since WWII. It's subjective and difficult to prove but IMO it has reduced conflicts and been successful.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Dude you've lost a step, might be time for you to step down to AGS where the pace is more suited to a fellow of your advanced mental decline.
I'm the guy that thinks we should press forward with breaking Putin and setting Russia back about 50 years. And doing it with enough zest to make the Chinese very nervous about our bloodlust.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
And you’re a Chinese apologist. You carry their water more than LeBron.houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:43 amDude you've lost a step, might be time for you to step down to AGS where the pace is more suited to a fellow of your advanced mental decline.
I'm the guy that thinks we should press forward with breaking Putin and setting Russia back about 50 years. And doing it with enough zest to make the Chinese very nervous about our bloodlust.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Bullshit. The only thing I've pointed out is the unrealisticness of getting tough with your banker. Thats why this is a golden opportunity to show China indirectly that they need to be careful about pissing us offAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:44 pmAnd you’re a Chinese apologist. You carry their water more than LeBron.houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:43 am
Dude you've lost a step, might be time for you to step down to AGS where the pace is more suited to a fellow of your advanced mental decline.
I'm the guy that thinks we should press forward with breaking Putin and setting Russia back about 50 years. And doing it with enough zest to make the Chinese very nervous about our bloodlust.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
I call bullshit on your bullshit. Your tune might have changed with Russia getting bogged down in Ukraine but you have a long history of posting about China's inevitable victory over the US and capitalism.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Indeed, houndie's view to nationalize everything has always doevtailed nicely with the Chinese autocratic model. I think he's just been comfortable thinking it would take forever for China to make it to his neck of the woods so he could root for their success knowing they had bigger targets in mind.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Hey, what could go wrong. Look at Venezula. Largest proven oil reserves in the world..GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:35 pmIndeed, houndie's view to nationalize everything has always doevtailed nicely with the Chinese autocratic model. I think he's just been comfortable thinking it would take forever for China to make it to his neck of the woods so he could root for their success knowing they had bigger targets in mind.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
That's what I still think at this point - it isn't apologizing for China its telling America whats coming. And this is a golden opportunity to have some effect on that outcome. Its critical for our future position that when this goat fuck is over the number 1 take away for China is that its much better to be friends with the US than enemies.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
GannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:35 pmIndeed, houndie's view to nationalize everything has always doevtailed nicely with the Chinese autocratic model. I think he's just been comfortable thinking it would take forever for China to make it to his neck of the woods so he could root for their success knowing they had bigger targets in mind.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
I thought this was going to be about Orban's big win in Hungary...
...instead it's a thread about everyone calling out Houndies' fecklessness on China.
...instead it's a thread about everyone calling out Houndies' fecklessness on China.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:20 pmGannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:35 pm
Indeed, houndie's view to nationalize everything has always doevtailed nicely with the Chinese autocratic model. I think he's just been comfortable thinking it would take forever for China to make it to his neck of the woods so he could root for their success knowing they had bigger targets in mind.
Thats what happens when you let your personal feelings do your thinking for you.....GannonFan
Nationalizing oil would be a win for everybody but a small handful of the hyper-wealthy.
Again, Venezuela.
-Largest provem oil reserves in the world.
-Nationalized oil.
How’d that work out for them?
Let me guess. It will work next time if they do it right..
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Mexico is doing OK.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Hey look over there! Says the guy caught sucking Russian dick.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Yeah, doing so great people are fleeing crime amd poverty in Mexico, pouring across the US border by the millions.
But keep it up trying to tout the successes of nationalization
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Says the guy sucking Chinese dick.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:20 pmGannonFan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:35 pm
Indeed, houndie's view to nationalize everything has always doevtailed nicely with the Chinese autocratic model. I think he's just been comfortable thinking it would take forever for China to make it to his neck of the woods so he could root for their success knowing they had bigger targets in mind.
Thats what happens when you let your personal feelings do your thinking for you.....GannonFan
Nationalizing oil would be a win for everybody but a small handful of the hyper-wealthy.
Yes. The millions and millions of stockholders wouldn’t be impacted at all. Typical lefty—no concept of what their grandiose ideas would actually cause.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Poor ol’ Houndy was showing some promise in the Ukraine thread. Now he’s reverted to form.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
This is related to nationalizing energy how?
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
Theyd be paying less at the pump.
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Re: So, can we count globalism a failure now?
I think it’s wonderful that so many now side with the WTO protestors from the 90’s and Bernie Sanders.
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