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houndawg wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:58 am
SDHornet wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:21 am

Yep, that and to keep distracting the masses with the "need" to send billions to Ukraine.
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SDHornet wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:32 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:58 am

All wars are about profits. :coffee:


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No being pro-forever war is being a lefty now? Mmkay. :lol:

:? .... the United States have been a forever war from their beginning ......where you been?

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kalm wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:24 am The Republican version of ACB?

Have you read the rest of the story?
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HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:54 am
kalm wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:24 am The Republican version of ACB?

Have you read the :thumb: rest of the story?
This reports there’s a video showing Houck was protecting…his 12 year old son, who he’d brought to an abortion protest. Houck is apparently also a church leader in the field of “spiritual masculinity”.

Early childhood education and gender studies are alive and well in the church evidently.


https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... ion-clinic
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HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:54 am
kalm wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:24 am The Republican version of ACB?

Have you read the rest of the story?
A true masterpiece of sniveling about the jackbooted thugs with guns drawn in front of terrified family. :ohno:

What's the over/under on how many bodies they'd be hauling out of there if it were a black family?
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houndawg wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:40 am
HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:54 am

Have you read the rest of the story?
A true masterpiece of sniveling about the jackbooted thugs with guns drawn in front of terrified family. :ohno:

What's the over/under on how many bodies they'd be hauling out of there if it were a black family?
We’ll never know. You’re not allowed to touch a black man today.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:44 am
houndawg wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:40 am

A true masterpiece of sniveling about the jackbooted thugs with guns drawn in front of terrified family. :ohno:

What's the over/under on how many bodies they'd be hauling out of there if it were a black family?
We’ll never know. You’re not allowed to touch a black man today.
Nobody touched him, just a bullet. Serves his ass right for pulling a gun when his door was kicked in at midnight. :coffee:
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JohnStOnge wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:28 pm
Winterborn wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:54 pm

Kind of hard to bury the story when the immigrants are dropped off in front of local news crews and then it gets reported locally, which then means it makes it harder for national news to do their normal bury and move. It also gets the whole border thing free press that it normally would not get outside of border states.

Top 10 Google searches are now:

1) Jobs
2) Taxes
3) Donald Trump
4) Wages
5) Ukraine
6) Firearms
7) China
8) Russia
9) Joe Biden
10) Border/Immigration

Some good analysis (I think) on what it means for both parties below.

https://www.axios.com/2022/09/22/midter ... n-abortion
I think I would stick with polling. The obvious glaring example of what that is so is inflation. It's not among that top 10 and obviously it is at or near the top in terms of issues people are concerned about.

It'd be great if Jobs really were the top issue because Biden's term has been characterized by record job creation.

A relatively recent set of polling results on what the top issues are is at https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/11215356 ... -elections. Inflation is number 1 and Abortion is number 2. There is a graphic there that I think indicates the 1, 5, and 7 ranked issues (inflation and immigration) work in favor of Republicans while the 2,3, and 4 ranked issues (abortion, health care, and the January 6 hearings) work in favor of Democrats. Issue 6, guns, appears to be pretty much a wash though the Democrats may have a slight edge there.
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kalm wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:20 am
HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:54 am

Have you read the :thumb: rest of the story?
This reports there’s a video showing Houck was protecting…his 12 year old son, who he’d brought to an abortion protest. Houck is apparently also a church leader in the field of “spiritual masculinity”.

Early childhood education and gender studies are alive and well in the church evidently.


https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... ion-clinic
The guy is a dumbass that he is exposing his kid to it like that. And if he is guilty of assault let him suffer the consequences.

But do we really need 25 FBI agents there to arrest him for an assault charge? The FBI is disputing the claim of a SWAT team but last I saw hadn't disputed the number of agents that were there. The picture shows an agent with a ballistic shield. Must not have been any nooses to investigate at NASCAR that day. :roll:

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HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:29 am
kalm wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:20 am

This reports there’s a video showing Houck was protecting…his 12 year old son, who he’d brought to an abortion protest. Houck is apparently also a church leader in the field of “spiritual masculinity”.

Early childhood education and gender studies are alive and well in the church evidently.


https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... ion-clinic
The guy is a dumbass that he is exposing his kid to it like that. And if he is guilty of assault let him suffer the consequences.

But do we really need 25 FBI agents there to arrest him for an assault charge? The FBI is disputing the claim of a SWAT team but last I saw hadn't disputed the number of agents that were there. The picture shows an agent with a ballistic shield. Must not have been any nooses to investigate at NASCAR that day. :roll:

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houndawg wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:29 am

The guy is a dumbass that he is exposing his kid to it like that. And if he is guilty of assault let him suffer the consequences.

But do we really need 25 FBI agents there to arrest him for an assault charge? The FBI is disputing the claim of a SWAT team but last I saw hadn't disputed the number of agents that were there. The picture shows an agent with a ballistic shield. Must not have been any nooses to investigate at NASCAR that day. :roll:

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The party of law and order. :nod:
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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:54 am
houndawg wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:18 pm

I'm getting all cornfused here - which side is "backing the blue" these days? :?



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The party of law and order. :nod:
Whover it was that said: "A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested" sure knew their stuff.

Wasn't that long ago right here that it was all about how the cops should just be turned loose to mow 'em down at BLM protests for dizrespekin our veterans and taking a knee on the flag an shit... :coffee:
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HI54UNI wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:54 am
kalm wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:24 am The Republican version of ACB?

Have you read the rest of the story?
...the 72 year old kicked his ass..? :?
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houndawg wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:48 am
kalm wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:54 am

The party of law and order. :nod:
Whover it was that said: "A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested" sure knew their stuff.

Wasn't that long ago right here that it was all about how the cops should just be turned loose to mow 'em down at BLM protests for dizrespekin our veterans and taking a knee on the flag an shit... :coffee:
The guy assaulted a person. He’s a thug. Remember way back when we used to shoot first or at least put a knee on the neck?

We’re getting soft.
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How Nevada could doom Democrats' hopes of holding Senate
In fact, Nevada might secretly be the most important Senate race of 2022. Why? Nearly every other marquee clash features some sort of colorful outlier where the GOP’s well-publicized “candidate quality” problems are threatening the party’s hopes of flipping the Senate. But the Silver State is the rare place where two evenly matched professional pols are facing off amid a confluence of crucial trends: the impact of inflation, the abortion rights backlash, the rise of independents and the rightward drift of Hispanics.

As such, Nevada has the potential to be November’s truest bellwether — as well as “the single best pickup opportunity for Republicans in the country,” as Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas put it over the summer.

Or as Laxalt likes to say on the stump, “This race is the 51st seat. That is not a stretch. It’s not an exaggeration. The entire U.S. Senate will hinge on this race.”
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:56 am How Nevada could doom Democrats' hopes of holding Senate
In fact, Nevada might secretly be the most important Senate race of 2022. Why? Nearly every other marquee clash features some sort of colorful outlier where the GOP’s well-publicized “candidate quality” problems are threatening the party’s hopes of flipping the Senate. But the Silver State is the rare place where two evenly matched professional pols are facing off amid a confluence of crucial trends: the impact of inflation, the abortion rights backlash, the rise of independents and the rightward drift of Hispanics.

As such, Nevada has the potential to be November’s truest bellwether — as well as “the single best pickup opportunity for Republicans in the country,” as Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas put it over the summer.

Or as Laxalt likes to say on the stump, “This race is the 51st seat. That is not a stretch. It’s not an exaggeration. The entire U.S. Senate will hinge on this race.”
Nevada is one of 4 or 5 states that bear watching as the races are tightening up.

And it seems that some candidates are learning that they need to pivot to the economy/jobs/wages/energy/etc. and stay off of Trump and Abortion. As they do so, what once were semi-comfortable D races, are becoming much tighter.

I also like the fact that more R's are staying neutral on Trump and sticking to the issues that voters are facing.
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Winterborn wrote: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:08 am
Nevada is one of 4 or 5 states that bear watching as the races are tightening up.

And it seems that some candidates are learning that they need to pivot to the economy/jobs/wages/energy/etc. and stay off of Trump and Abortion. As they do so, what once were semi-comfortable D races, are becoming much tighter.

I also like the fact that more R's are staying neutral on Trump and sticking to the issues that voters are facing.
It helps that the pollsters are starting to poll likely voters instead, and thus why you are seeing the shift back to Republicans.
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm If you want to see a situation in which the polls were really off, look at this one:

https://kansasreflector.com/2022/07/20/ ... -abortion/

I can remember watching the polls as it approached and thinking that, more likely than not, the amendment would pass. But it was defeated by 18 percentage points.

That's one reason I say that Democrats need to make the vote about the abortion issue as much as possible. They need to create the impression that the Republicans are a threat to abortion rights. And the Republicans are helping them in that regard. Like Lindsey Graham's thing.
Abortion isn’t a top 4 issue..
Crime trumps abortion in voter concerns, giving GOP largest lead on issue in more than 30 years: poll

Crime has surpassed abortion among concerns for Americans, who also said they trust Republicans more than Democrats to handle it, giving them the highest lead on the issue in more than 30 years, according to a recent ABC/WaPo poll released Sunday.

According to the survey produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates in New York City, the economy (89%), education (77%) and inflation (76%) topped out the issues voters consider "highly important" as midterms loom, but those issues were followed closely by crime at 69%, which beat out abortion at 62%.

Immigration and climate change brought up the rear at 61% and 50%, respectively.….
https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-trumps ... years-poll

So right now the conks are winning on the top 4 issues and top 5 of 6…
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Democrats in competitive House races flip-flop on criminal justice provisions they once champione
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:01 am
JohnStOnge wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm If you want to see a situation in which the polls were really off, look at this one:

https://kansasreflector.com/2022/07/20/ ... -abortion/

I can remember watching the polls as it approached and thinking that, more likely than not, the amendment would pass. But it was defeated by 18 percentage points.

That's one reason I say that Democrats need to make the vote about the abortion issue as much as possible. They need to create the impression that the Republicans are a threat to abortion rights. And the Republicans are helping them in that regard. Like Lindsey Graham's thing.
Abortion isn’t a top 4 issue..
Crime trumps abortion in voter concerns, giving GOP largest lead on issue in more than 30 years: poll

Crime has surpassed abortion among concerns for Americans, who also said they trust Republicans more than Democrats to handle it, giving them the highest lead on the issue in more than 30 years, according to a recent ABC/WaPo poll released Sunday.

According to the survey produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates in New York City, the economy (89%), education (77%) and inflation (76%) topped out the issues voters consider "highly important" as midterms loom, but those issues were followed closely by crime at 69%, which beat out abortion at 62%.

Immigration and climate change brought up the rear at 61% and 50%, respectively.….
https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-trumps ... years-poll

So right now the conks are winning on the top 4 issues and top 5 of 6…
Maybe they are winning on the top 4 issues, but I don't see how that's changing the map of what's going to happen on election night and it's not going to overcome some terrible candidates that advanced out of the GOP primaries. The GOP should be doing far better than they're going to do in a midterm election with such an unpopular President from the opposing party in the White House. The GOP is going to win the House, I don't think there's any debate about that. But the margins aren't going to be that much better than the paltry gap that has the House in the Dems hands right now. And the Dems are going to hold onto at least the 50/50 Senate, and are very likely to net gain a seat and have a 51-49 majority. I don't think that will function much different from the 50/50 setup, especially given that Manchin and Sinema are still there and therefore court packing, Senate packing (i.e. both DC and Puerto Rico statehood), and complete filibuster removal are likely still off the table. Even at the state level, the Dems are likely to have a net gain in governorships and bring us closer to even parity in that regard.

And abortion is certainly a factor in this. And maybe that's not a necessarily bad thing for the GOP. With Roe being overturned, you have people on the GOP side who fought for that outcome for 50 years feeling pretty satisfied that their work and efforts paid off. They did those March for Life rallies for 50 years, with very little media coverage, and in the end it all worked. Maybe those folks are now less motivated to go to the polls because they were successful. The pendulum of political fervor does tend to swing from side to side, and now it's on the other side and with abortion supporters.

But we're looking at gridlock. After the election, the GOP will have the House, the Dems will have the Senate, none of the SCOTUS judges look like they're leaving or dying in the next 2 years, and there's an ineffectual octogenarian in the White House. Pretty much the campaign for 2024 is fully underway since no one will be doing anything in government for the next couple of years.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:01 am
JohnStOnge wrote: Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:02 pm If you want to see a situation in which the polls were really off, look at this one:

https://kansasreflector.com/2022/07/20/ ... -abortion/

I can remember watching the polls as it approached and thinking that, more likely than not, the amendment would pass. But it was defeated by 18 percentage points.

That's one reason I say that Democrats need to make the vote about the abortion issue as much as possible. They need to create the impression that the Republicans are a threat to abortion rights. And the Republicans are helping them in that regard. Like Lindsey Graham's thing.
Abortion isn’t a top 4 issue..
Crime trumps abortion in voter concerns, giving GOP largest lead on issue in more than 30 years: poll

Crime has surpassed abortion among concerns for Americans, who also said they trust Republicans more than Democrats to handle it, giving them the highest lead on the issue in more than 30 years, according to a recent ABC/WaPo poll released Sunday.

According to the survey produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates in New York City, the economy (89%), education (77%) and inflation (76%) topped out the issues voters consider "highly important" as midterms loom, but those issues were followed closely by crime at 69%, which beat out abortion at 62%.

Immigration and climate change brought up the rear at 61% and 50%, respectively.….
https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-trumps ... years-poll

So right now the conks are winning on the top 4 issues and top 5 of 6…
It is with women and you incels are the only ones that don't get it - even women who are opposed to abortion aren't willing to give up the option. They all know somebody who screwed up and needs that option available
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houndawg wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:25 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:01 am
Abortion isn’t a top 4 issue..

https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-trumps ... years-poll

So right now the conks are winning on the top 4 issues and top 5 of 6…
It is with women and you incels are the only ones that don't get it - even women who are opposed to abortion aren't willing to give up the option. They all know somebody who screwed up and needs that option available
And I thought the Republicans switched their tough on crime stance.
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houndawg wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:25 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:01 am
Abortion isn’t a top 4 issue..

https://www.foxnews.com/us/crime-trumps ... years-poll

So right now the conks are winning on the top 4 issues and top 5 of 6…
It is with women and you incels are the only ones that don't get it - even women who are opposed to abortion aren't willing to give up the option. They all know somebody who screwed up and needs that option available
I think it is fair to say that abortion is an issue that will hurt Conks in November. The economy, crime, immigration, etc. are issues that will hurt Donks. How they are prioritized will vary by the individual but there will be attempts by candidates from both parties to influence them. DeSantis' move brought a lot of attention to immigration and took it away from abortion. Donks will attempt to switch it back.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:55 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:25 am

It is with women and you incels are the only ones that don't get it - even women who are opposed to abortion aren't willing to give up the option. They all know somebody who screwed up and needs that option available
I think it is fair to say that abortion is an issue that will hurt Conks in November. The economy, crime, immigration, etc. are issues that will hurt Donks. How they are prioritized will vary by the individual but there will be attempts by candidates from both parties to influence them. DeSantis' move brought a lot of attention to immigration and took it away from abortion. Donks will attempt to switch it back.
crime is definitely a good one to exploit donk weakness on a local level. The obvious difference for abortion vs. the rest is the recent changes and whether it mobilizes new and younger voters. There are signs that it is.
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Re: 2022 Elections Thread

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kalm wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 1:07 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Sep 28, 2022 12:55 pm
I think it is fair to say that abortion is an issue that will hurt Conks in November. The economy, crime, immigration, etc. are issues that will hurt Donks. How they are prioritized will vary by the individual but there will be attempts by candidates from both parties to influence them. DeSantis' move brought a lot of attention to immigration and took it away from abortion. Donks will attempt to switch it back.
crime is definitely a good one to exploit donk weakness on a local level. The obvious difference for abortion vs. the rest is the recent changes and whether it mobilizes new and younger voters. There are signs that it is.
DeSantis' stunt brought immigration to the forefront and bumped abortion to below the fold. Crime statistics for Donk run cities are so much of a dumpster fire that even pro-reform Donks are trying to distance themselves from their past statements. Crime is going to hurt Donks at all levels.
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