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2022 Elections Thread
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It’s quite weird that ya’ll feel guilty over CRT.
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This is very true. You look at the Dems in a lot of places and there is no bench. The GOP has a lot of people in county government, legislators, etc.
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Not nearly as weird as you folks have your head in the sand, playing dumb.
Or are you playing?
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Why would I feel guilty about slavery and racism being taught? I didn’t do it nor do I support it ever happening.
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Did you not learn about slavery and racism in school? I did. If you don’t understand that’s not what CRT is, then there’s no point in continuing the discussion.
Again, it’s either too nuanced for you, or you’re being purposely obtuse on the matter. Houndy, I’m certain, is just dumb, so he has no excuse. You do.
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Yes…although that was 40 years ago and I don’t think I appreciated it at the time.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 9:21 amDid you not learn about slavery and racism in school? I did. If you don’t understand that’s not what CRT is, then there’s no point in continuing the discussion.
Again, it’s either too nuanced for you, or you’re being purposely obtuse on the matter. Houndy, I’m certain, is just dumb, so he has no excuse. You do.
Similar to the groomer debate I’ll wait till there’s significant evidence this is a widespread problem with anal sex and white guilt curriculums for 5 year olds rather than just anecdotally tweet and Fox News driven.
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Why didn't you show the same discretion and wait for proof that Trump was a fascist?kalm wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 9:46 amYes…although that was 40 years ago and I don’t think I appreciated it at the time.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 9:21 am
Did you not learn about slavery and racism in school? I did. If you don’t understand that’s not what CRT is, then there’s no point in continuing the discussion.
Again, it’s either too nuanced for you, or you’re being purposely obtuse on the matter. Houndy, I’m certain, is just dumb, so he has no excuse. You do.
Similar to the groomer debate I’ll wait till there’s significant evidence this is a widespread problem with anal sex and white guilt curriculums for 5 year olds rather than just anecdotally tweet and Fox News driven.
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Well I held off on the fascist talk until it became obvious. But another instance of a rather poor equivalency.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 9:50 amWhy didn't you show the same discretion and wait for proof that Trump was a fascist?kalm wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 9:46 am
Yes…although that was 40 years ago and I don’t think I appreciated it at the time.
Similar to the groomer debate I’ll wait till there’s significant evidence this is a widespread problem with anal sex and white guilt curriculums for 5 year olds rather than just anecdotally tweet and Fox News driven.
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When did it become obvious? I'd love to see the proof. Can you share it or is it kept in top-secret illiberal, pseudo-progressive vaults somewhere?
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So you've got nothing.
Trump's a wannabe tinpot dictator not worthy of all the fascist pearl-clutching by illiberals. Prove me wrong.
Trump winning the Republican nomination in 2024 gives the Democratic Party the best chance of retaining the Presidency.
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And the crazy part is the Dems are on track to still wind up loosing the election.
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Lebanon man accused of killing wife among winners in Indiana primary race
WTF! Do they not allow write-ins?Andrew Wilhoite, who’s suspected of fatally striking his wife with a gallon-sized concrete flower pot, secured a spot Tuesday as one of three Republican candidates in the race for a seat on the Clinton Township Board.
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There were three people on the ballot for a three person Township Board. Nobody was going to lose the election.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 11:38 am Lebanon man accused of killing wife among winners in Indiana primary race
WTF! Do they not allow write-ins?Andrew Wilhoite, who’s suspected of fatally striking his wife with a gallon-sized concrete flower pot, secured a spot Tuesday as one of three Republican candidates in the race for a seat on the Clinton Township Board.
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I know, that's why I asked about write-ins. Seemed to be the only way to keep the guy from winning.Baldy wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 12:24 pmThere were three people on the ballot for a three person Township Board. Nobody was going to lose the election.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 11:38 am Lebanon man accused of killing wife among winners in Indiana primary race
WTF! Do they not allow write-ins?
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Which definition of fascism would you prefer to use? Let’s check the boxes together using recent and historical examples.
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According to Merriam Webster: fascism - fascism is a "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."
- Exalts nation and often race above the individual - maybe ... America first exalts the nation over the international community not necessarily the individual. The individual is primary in some instances (guns) but not others (abortion). Illiberals exalt the international community over the nation which while not fascist I would argue is just as bad.
- Stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - maybe ... Trump wanted to be a tinpot dictator but was never a real threat due to his own incompetence and our checks and balances to prevent it. Illiberals don't disagree with Trump's desire for a centralized autocratic government. Their concern is more about who would be in charge (i.e. they support it if they're in control).
- Severe economic and social regimentation - maybe ... not economic regimentation but an argument could be made for social regimentation. Illiberals, however do want severe economic and social regimentation. They want to control the economy and they want to force their social mores on conservatives.
- Forcible suppression of opposition - No. You could make an argument if you give credence to the dumb ass things he said and maybe dreamt about but in terms of actual events he did not suppress the opposition. Do you really believe that your illiberal kalmrades don't dream about forcibly suppressing conservatives? If one can be convicted based on thoughts then they should be held accountable as well.
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...so you're saying its about what really happened? Why wouldn't you want to know the real story?
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Let’s keep the focus squarely where it belongs. Right HERE.
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Similar to Ganny you’re confusing fascism with authoritarianism. Your strongest argument is that our system was strong enough to withstand Trump’s fascistic desires.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:26 pmAccording to Merriam Webster: fascism - fascism is a "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."
I'm still not convinced that Trump is any more of a fascist than AOChe but I won't hold my breath waiting for Nina Jankowicz to address the disinformation.
- Exalts nation and often race above the individual - maybe ... America first exalts the nation over the international community not necessarily the individual. The individual is primary in some instances (guns) but not others (abortion). Illiberals exalt the international community over the nation which while not fascist I would argue is just as bad.
- Stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - maybe ... Trump wanted to be a tinpot dictator but was never a real threat due to his own incompetence and our checks and balances to prevent it. Illiberals don't disagree with Trump's desire for a centralized autocratic government. Their concern is more about who would be in charge (i.e. they support it if they're in control).
- Severe economic and social regimentation - maybe ... not economic regimentation but an argument could be made for social regimentation. Illiberals, however do want severe economic and social regimentation. They want to control the economy and they want to force their social mores on conservatives.
- Forcible suppression of opposition - No. You could make an argument if you give credence to the dumb ass things he said and maybe dreamt about but in terms of actual events he did not suppress the opposition. Do you really believe that your illiberal kalmrades don't dream about forcibly suppressing conservatives? If one can be convicted based on thoughts then they should be held accountable as well.
You’re right that it mostly was, but lowering tax rates further consolidated power which will have lasting effects. That’s a hallmark of fascism - corporatism that favors the elites who swear fealty to the party (eerily similar to soviet and current Russian style authoritarianism. And Alan Moore’s Chancellor Sutler in V for Vendetta being a terrific fictional example.)
So you’re wrong on the economics but correct on some comparisons to the left. Lord knows Hillary is a shining example of power and wealth consolidation - corporatism. The same however, is not true when it comes to labor supporting leftists like AOC or Bernie. As history as shown, despite labor’s best intentions and the marxist overthrow of the ruling capitalist class, authoritarianism and individual power typically wins the day - similar to fascism. Again except for in America so far.
Are fascism and marxism-Leninism similar in that they both can lead to authoritarianism? Of course. But they are different too, and Trump fits squarely on one side.
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So your argument is, despite their best intentions, basically socialism just isn’t being done right.kalm wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 5:54 amSimilar to Ganny you’re confusing fascism with authoritarianism. Your strongest argument is that our system was strong enough to withstand Trump’s fascistic desires.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:26 pm
According to Merriam Webster: fascism - fascism is a "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."
I'm still not convinced that Trump is any more of a fascist than AOChe but I won't hold my breath waiting for Nina Jankowicz to address the disinformation.
- Exalts nation and often race above the individual - maybe ... America first exalts the nation over the international community not necessarily the individual. The individual is primary in some instances (guns) but not others (abortion). Illiberals exalt the international community over the nation which while not fascist I would argue is just as bad.
- Stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - maybe ... Trump wanted to be a tinpot dictator but was never a real threat due to his own incompetence and our checks and balances to prevent it. Illiberals don't disagree with Trump's desire for a centralized autocratic government. Their concern is more about who would be in charge (i.e. they support it if they're in control).
- Severe economic and social regimentation - maybe ... not economic regimentation but an argument could be made for social regimentation. Illiberals, however do want severe economic and social regimentation. They want to control the economy and they want to force their social mores on conservatives.
- Forcible suppression of opposition - No. You could make an argument if you give credence to the dumb ass things he said and maybe dreamt about but in terms of actual events he did not suppress the opposition. Do you really believe that your illiberal kalmrades don't dream about forcibly suppressing conservatives? If one can be convicted based on thoughts then they should be held accountable as well.
You’re right that it mostly was, but lowering tax rates further consolidated power which will have lasting effects. That’s a hallmark of fascism - corporatism that favors the elites who swear fealty to the party (eerily similar to soviet and current Russian style authoritarianism. And Alan Moore’s Chancellor Sutler in V for Vendetta being a terrific fictional example.)
So you’re wrong on the economics but correct on some comparisons to the left. Lord knows Hillary is a shining example of power and wealth consolidation - corporatism. The same however, is not true when it comes to labor supporting leftists like AOC or Bernie. As history as shown, despite labor’s best intentions and the marxist overthrow of the ruling capitalist class, authoritarianism and individual power typically wins the day - similar to fascism. Again except for in America so far.
Are fascism and marxism-Leninism similar in that they both can lead to authoritarianism? Of course. But they are different too, and Trump fits squarely on one side.
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My argument, since you have trouble following along, is that Trump has strong fascist game.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 6:21 amSo your argument is, despite their best intentions, basically socialism just isn’t being done right.kalm wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 5:54 am
Similar to Ganny you’re confusing fascism with authoritarianism. Your strongest argument is that our system was strong enough to withstand Trump’s fascistic desires.
You’re right that it mostly was, but lowering tax rates further consolidated power which will have lasting effects. That’s a hallmark of fascism - corporatism that favors the elites who swear fealty to the party (eerily similar to soviet and current Russian style authoritarianism. And Alan Moore’s Chancellor Sutler in V for Vendetta being a terrific fictional example.)
So you’re wrong on the economics but correct on some comparisons to the left. Lord knows Hillary is a shining example of power and wealth consolidation - corporatism. The same however, is not true when it comes to labor supporting leftists like AOC or Bernie. As history as shown, despite labor’s best intentions and the marxist overthrow of the ruling capitalist class, authoritarianism and individual power typically wins the day - similar to fascism. Again except for in America so far.
Are fascism and marxism-Leninism similar in that they both can lead to authoritarianism? Of course. But they are different too, and Trump fits squarely on one side.
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Agreed, that's why I'm in the DeSantis camp.