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Re: Fixing America

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CID1990 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:20 am
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Don’t disagree. Why do you think I tail against Pelosi AND Manchin and suggest the DNC is center right? But these aren’t new concepts either.

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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:51 am
CID1990 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:20 am
There is all kinds of room on the scale for Pelosi and Fascisty Manchin to be well to the right of you and still be liberal, klam
Yes, and?
Yes, and while Pelosi and others may be political chameleons, they are currently supporting the Leftist agenda (i.e. not center right) regardless of whether you classify them as mainstream.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:51 am

Yes, and?
Yes, and while Pelosi and others may be political chameleons, they are currently supporting the Leftist agenda (i.e. not center right) regardless of whether you classify them as mainstream.
Oh man… :lol:
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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:39 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am

Yes, and while Pelosi and others may be political chameleons, they are currently supporting the Leftist agenda (i.e. not center right) regardless of whether you classify them as mainstream.
Oh man… :lol:
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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:39 am Oh man… :lol:
translation: Shit, I've been painted into a logical corner again.... :coffee: :coffee:
Hell the “plenty o liberals are actually closet libertarians” was so absurd I thought it was just a bad troll and almost let it go


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CID1990 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:48 am
AZGrizFan wrote:
translation: Shit, I've been painted into a logical corner again.... :coffee: :coffee:
Hell the “plenty o liberals are actually closet libertarians” was so absurd I thought it was just a bad troll and almost let it go


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We’ve been through this before. Libertarians are closet republicans who like to smoke weed and get laid.

We know you don’t smoke weed, so…….
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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:27 pm
CID1990 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:48 am
Hell the “plenty o liberals are actually closet libertarians” was so absurd I thought it was just a bad troll and almost let it go
We’ve been through this before. Libertarians are closet republicans who like to smoke weed and get laid.

We know you don’t smoke weed, so…….
And today's so called progressives are lazy shits who don't want to put in the effort or take risks but are envious that people who do are more successful then they are. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:32 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:27 pm

We’ve been through this before. Libertarians are closet republicans who like to smoke weed and get laid.

We know you don’t smoke weed, so…….
And today's so called progressives are lazy shits who don't want to put in the effort or take risks but are envious that people who do are more successful then they are. :coffee:
Yes. Today’s progressives are yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:32 pm
And today's so called progressives are lazy shits who don't want to put in the effort or take risks but are envious that people who do are more successful then they are. :coffee:
Yes. Today’s progressives are similar to yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:42 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm

Yes. Today’s progressives are similar to yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

:)
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Yeah! As a fellow Gen X’er who also has Gen Z kids I’m totally down with this narrative!

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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:21 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:42 pm

FYP

Millennials are the modern Boomer. Selfishly asking the government to spend money on their pet projects while exponentially adding to the debt of future generations.
Yeah! As a fellow Gen X’er who also has Gen Z kids I’m totally down with this narrative!

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How about we stop doing stuff like this?

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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:32 pm

And today's so called progressives are lazy shits who don't want to put in the effort or take risks but are envious that people who do are more successful then they are. :coffee:
Yes. Today’s progressives are yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

:)
Someone who identifies as a ‘progressive’ is just a liberal who doesn’t like being called a liberal.
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:52 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm

Yes. Today’s progressives are yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

:)
Someone who identifies as a ‘progressive’ is just a liberal who doesn’t like being called a liberal.
I’m a proud liberal. No wait…I’m also a progressive. I’ve also been a capitalistic neoliberal. Hot damn it’s hard keeping up. :lol:
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I'm shocked that six pages in there are no real proposals from the board progressives. :roll:
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kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm Yes. Today’s progressives are yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

:)
Someone who identifies as a ‘progressive’ is just a liberal who doesn’t like being called a liberal.
Progressives are anything but liberal.


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CID1990 wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:06 am
BDKJMU wrote: Someone who identifies as a ‘progressive’ is just a liberal who doesn’t like being called a liberal.
Progressives are anything but liberal.


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HI54UNI wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:57 am I'm shocked that six pages in there are no real proposals from the board progressives. :roll:
This thread is a microcosm of our politics. Facts are rare, but emotions rule the day.

Lots of talk but no hard ideas from some. Though they are pretty good at finger pointing though and circling the wagons around their pet ideas.
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HI54UNI wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:57 am I'm shocked that six pages in there are no real proposals from the board progressives. :roll:
I will say this: I'm more than shocked. I'm disappointed. I'm willing to discuss/debate literally ANY of the items on this list, but apparently I need to put it on tik tok or twitter to get their attention....that' supposedly where they get all their juicy news from.
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HI54UNI wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:39 pm How about we stop doing stuff like this?

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Hence my recommendation that we stop all "aid" to foreign countries. We have our OWN issues to fix, we don't need to be sending hard-earned tax dollars to (in this case) the Taliban, because you KNOW that's who's getting this money.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:10 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:39 pm How about we stop doing stuff like this?

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Hence my recommendation that we stop all "aid" to foreign countries. We have our OWN issues to fix, we don't need to be sending hard-earned tax dollars to (in this case) the Taliban, because you KNOW that's who's getting this money.
Ditto.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:51 am

Yes, and?
Yes, and while Pelosi and others may be political chameleons, they are currently supporting the Leftist agenda (i.e. not center right) regardless of whether you classify them as mainstream.
gee, why would they do that?
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:10 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:39 pm How about we stop doing stuff like this?

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Hence my recommendation that we stop all "aid" to foreign countries. We have our OWN issues to fix, we don't need to be sending hard-earned tax dollars to (in this case) the Taliban, because you KNOW that's who's getting this money.
So we should let our former allies that we left behind starve. :ohno:

About what I'd expect from a banker. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:42 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:34 pm

Yes. Today’s progressives are similar to yesterday’s liberals who are now today’s conservatives.

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Deficits don't matter. We'll just have a reset when late-stage capitalism inevitably breaks down.
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houndawg wrote: Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:21 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:42 pm Millennials are the modern Boomer. Selfishly asking the government to spend money on their pet projects while exponentially adding to the debt of future generations.
Deficits don't matter to Boomers like me. I'll be dead by the time the debt comes due.
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