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catbooster wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:18 am

clenz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 12:23 pm Watched her trial. Somewhat shocked first degree stuck but not entirely. Second degree was lock IMO.

Her testimony alone was enough to be damming 15 times over.

She said the stop shouldn’t have been made. She said she wouldn’t have made the stop if she was driving and wasn’t field training. She said she wished she would have told the training officer to not pull him over.

He was pulled over for a scent tree on the mirror, the wrong blinker being on, and expired tags which they were under direct orders not to pull people over for, per her own testimony.

She admitted the training officer made several mistakes during the stop leading up to that moment.

Wright didn’t provide an ID so the “he had a warrant” goes out the window because they didn’t have confirmation of who it was - by her own words

They escalated because there was a female in the car, who they didn’t ask for ID for at all so they had no idea if he was breaking any protection orders by being around the wrong female. Basically it escalated because he isn’t allowed to be around 1 female so they assumed that out of the 4 billion women in the world it was that exact female in the car with him without asking for ID from her and without confirming which Daunte Wright they were speaking too. Multiple Daunte Wrights came back in the system. They just happened to guess the right one but had no proof it was the right one.

She drew a weapon, even if it would have been ataser, and used it on a person in the driver seat of a car that was on while he was unarmed and putting zero cops in harms away of potentially killing an LEO.

Also against protocols.

She was also very flippant about the training she went through regarding weapons. Her actions make that clear and even more so her testimony after made it clear she couldn’t have given a fuck less.

Oh and she spent 12 years as a crisis negotiator yet somehow “didn’t know how to handle things getting crazy” in this situation and is 12 years as a negotiator never dealt with a situation that was stressful, or at least that stressful.

She didn’t mean to kill him. I 100% believe that.

However, she did. No one’s lives were in danger if he isn’t shot or tased. She was out of control. She was out of he depth. It was clear she didn’t give a single fuck about any training she had gone through leading up to that point and even in a trial against her for illegal use of force she couldn’t have given a shit less about what she would have been trained on.

And in that she killed someone who, even with a warrant, wasn’t given a death penalty by the court and even if he was it’s not on the police to serve the killing moment to him.

Hell, within seconds of the trigger being pulled she is in video talking about how she is going to prison. She didn’t carry her job out - which requires her to report shots fired. She didn’t go provide aid, which is required by law. She didn’t brief any other officers as to what happened, as required by law. She had been a patrol officer for 26 years and didn’t know how to handle a traffic stop that didn’t go “perfectly smooth”. She moved from the passenger side of the car to the driver side, pulled a weapon and shot him.

She deserves to be held accountable for the killing of Daunte Wright. Period. Her badge doesn’t protect her from being reckless, out of control, and out of her depth. She killed him and it wasn’t self defense by any stretch of the word.

Also the motion for bail because “it’s Christmas and she’s catholic” was fucking laughable. She’s also a flight risk. They led the state within days of the incident happened. They moved to a different part of the country. You let her on bail and flies home until sentencing there is more reason to believe than not that she is leaving the country.

All that incompetence and she was assigned to train people? You'd think when training one might want to do things right.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:23 am

Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:14 pm

10 years is about right.

And there is no need to worry about him having a repeat incident as his CDL is gone with having a criminal record.

So he makes all those mistakes over an extended period, acting willfully, and kills four people. She makes a mistake in a heated moment, kills ONE person, and is going to jail longer than the truck driver.

Makes perfect sense.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:07 pm

Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:07 am

Doing 85mph down a mountain in a 45mph zone, with a full load of lumber, makes him not only an idiot but also criminally stupid. His brakes could of been in perfect condition and slamming on them at that speed, with that load, isn't going to do much but make a cloud of smoke and burn them out almost immediately. There isn't a brake system on the road that candle that (which is why they make run-off lanes) much heat. My CDL testing covered that situation and the guy I learned from also explained it to me (as should of (did) his company).

I would agree with the judge that he is not 110 years guilty, but he is definitely at fault.

CO donk gov commuted sentence to 10 years.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-sen ... el-mederos

HI54UNI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:38 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:07 pm
CO donk gov commuted sentence to 10 years.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-sen ... el-mederos

I don't know how widespread or serious it was but I have a trucker buddy and his social media feed was full of independent owner operator truckers saying they wouldn't take loads to Colorado because of the original ruling. Maybe that had some influence on the gov's decision....

Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:26 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:23 am
So he makes all those mistakes over an extended period, acting willfully, and kills four people. She makes a mistake in a heated moment, kills ONE person, and is going to jail longer than the truck driver.

Makes perfect sense.

BDK summed it up: Politics.

• He's working Joe (can I still use the term "Joe"? Isn't it sexist or misogynistic or something?) who, despite a series of poor decisions that went against almost all of his training, accidentally killed 4 people. Their deaths weren't really his fault but were caused by a flawed socio-economic system that forced him to work for a living. The criminal justice system is just as flawed if not more flawed than the socio-economic system and imprisoning him is a travesty of justice. It's not his fault and he deserves a chance at reformation not incarceration.
• She's a racist law enforcement officer who viciously and intentionally murdered an oppressed African American man simply because he had an air freshener dangling from his rear-view mirror. It is absolutely her fault that someone is dead. She is beyond redemption and should spend the rest of her life in prison. Preferably in a cell next to Brett Kavanaugh.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:33 pm

Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:26 am

BDK summed it up: Politics.

I'll try to sum up the illiberal logic:

• He's working Joe (can I still use the term "Joe"? Isn't it sexist or misogynistic or something?) who, despite a series of poor decisions that went against almost all of his training, accidentally killed 4 people. Their deaths weren't really his fault but were caused by a flawed socio-economic system that forced him to work for a living. The criminal justice system is just as flawed if not more flawed than the socio-economic system and imprisoning him is a travesty of justice. It's not his fault and he deserves a chance at reformation not incarceration.
• She's a racist law enforcement officer who viciously and intentionally murdered an oppressed African American man simply because he had an air freshener dangling from his rear-view mirror. It is absolutely her fault that someone is dead. She is beyond redemption and should spend the rest of her life in prison. Preferably in a cell next to Brett Kavanaugh.

Did I get that right Kalm?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:33 pm

Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:26 am

BDK summed it up: Politics.

I'll try to sum up the illiberal logic:

• He's working Joe (can I still use the term "Joe"? Isn't it sexist or misogynistic or something?) who, despite a series of poor decisions that went against almost all of his training, accidentally killed 4 people. Their deaths weren't really his fault but were caused by a flawed socio-economic system that forced him to work for a living. The criminal justice system is just as flawed if not more flawed than the socio-economic system and imprisoning him is a travesty of justice. It's not his fault and he deserves a chance at reformation not incarceration.
• She's a racist law enforcement officer who viciously and intentionally murdered an oppressed African American man simply because he had an air freshener dangling from his rear-view mirror. It is absolutely her fault that someone is dead. She is beyond redemption and should spend the rest of her life in prison. Preferably in a cell next to Brett Kavanaugh.

Did I get that right Kalm?

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:36 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:33 pm

I'll try to sum up the illiberal logic:

• He's working Joe (can I still use the term "Joe"? Isn't it sexist or misogynistic or something?) who, despite a series of poor decisions that went against almost all of his training, accidentally killed 4 people. Their deaths weren't really his fault but were caused by a flawed socio-economic system that forced him to work for a living. The criminal justice system is just as flawed if not more flawed than the socio-economic system and imprisoning him is a travesty of justice. It's not his fault and he deserves a chance at reformation not incarceration.
• She's a racist law enforcement officer who viciously and intentionally murdered an oppressed African American man simply because he had an air freshener dangling from his rear-view mirror. It is absolutely her fault that someone is dead. She is beyond redemption and should spend the rest of her life in prison. Preferably in a cell next to Brett Kavanaugh.

Did I get that right Kalm?

Pretty much in a nutshell, right there. Clenzy approves of this post.

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:11 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:36 pm

Pretty much in a nutshell, right there. Clenzy approves of this post.

Translation: I have nothing that rebuts Clenzy's post.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:34 pm

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:11 pm


Translation: I have nothing that rebuts Clenzy's post.

Actually, I have nothing that rebuts anybody’s post.

houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:16 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:34 pm
88’s post hit the nail square on the head.

FYP

I can't refute 88's satirical but spot-on depiction of liberal feelings about who should and shouldn't be incarcerated so I'm going to try and redirect this thread away from it.

I really hate cops!

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:31 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:16 am

FYP

I can't refute 88's satirical but spot-on depiction of liberal feelings about who should and shouldn't be incarcerated so I'm going to try and redirect this thread away from it.

I really hate bad cops!

FYP

houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:37 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:31 am
FYP

Awww...look who is sticking up for his special needs buddy....

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:40 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:37 am

Awww...look who is sticking up for his special needs buddy....

Did I miss Kalm sticking up for you? No worries, it's good of you to thank him for it.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:31 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:16 am

FYP

I can't refute 88's satirical but spot-on depiction of liberal feelings about who should and shouldn't be incarcerated so I'm going to try and redirect this thread away from it.

I really hate cops!

FYP

clenz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:49 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:31 am

FYP

The irony of this is we had Conks in this thread trying to justify why Potter shouldn't go to jail, yet I've not read (granted I'm not following closely) anyone claiming the driver shouldn't be in jail.


Do you disagree with Potter going to jail?

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:33 pm

Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:26 am

BDK summed it up: Politics.

I'll try to sum up the illiberal logic:

• He's working Joe (can I still use the term "Joe"? Isn't it sexist or misogynistic or something?) who, despite a series of poor decisions that went against almost all of his training, accidentally killed 4 people. Their deaths weren't really his fault but were caused by a flawed socio-economic system that forced him to work for a living. The criminal justice system is just as flawed if not more flawed than the socio-economic system and imprisoning him is a travesty of justice. It's not his fault and he deserves a chance at reformation not incarceration.
• She's a racist law enforcement officer who viciously and intentionally murdered an oppressed African American man simply because he had an air freshener dangling from his rear-view mirror. It is absolutely her fault that someone is dead. She is beyond redemption and should spend the rest of her life in prison. Preferably in a cell next to Brett Kavanaugh.

Did I get that right Kalm?

Ibanez wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:32 am

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:33 pm

I'll try to sum up the illiberal logic:

• He's working Joe (can I still use the term "Joe"? Isn't it sexist or misogynistic or something?) who, despite a series of poor decisions that went against almost all of his training, accidentally killed 4 people. Their deaths weren't really his fault but were caused by a flawed socio-economic system that forced him to work for a living. The criminal justice system is just as flawed if not more flawed than the socio-economic system and imprisoning him is a travesty of justice. It's not his fault and he deserves a chance at reformation not incarceration.
• She's a racist law enforcement officer who viciously and intentionally murdered an oppressed African American man simply because he had an air freshener dangling from his rear-view mirror. It is absolutely her fault that someone is dead. She is beyond redemption and should spend the rest of her life in prison. Preferably in a cell next to Brett Kavanaugh.

Did I get that right Kalm?

The irony of it all is that he was black and if liberals have taught us anything that if something is black in color, like a gun, then it's dangerous and probably of the assault variety. Was Daunte Wright an assault Human!?

houndawg wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:36 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:32 am
The irony of it all is that he was black and if liberals have taught us anything that if something is black in color, like a gun, then it's dangerous and probably of the assault variety. Was Daunte Wright an assault Human!?

...a bit early for the wake n bake don't you think?

clenz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:49 pm The irony of this is we had Conks in this thread trying to justify why Potter shouldn't go to jail, yet I've not read (granted I'm not following closely) anyone claiming the driver shouldn't be in jail.

89Hen wrote:

clenz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:49 pm The irony of this is we had Conks in this thread trying to justify why Potter shouldn't go to jail, yet I've not read (granted I'm not following closely) anyone claiming the driver shouldn't be in jail.

I only saw Z say she shouldn't go to jail. JSO said he'd have trouble convicting if he was on the jury, but he's no conk. Did I miss some Clenz or are you just like the network news that makes shit up?

clenz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:29 am

89Hen wrote:
I only saw Z say she shouldn't go to jail. JSO said he'd have trouble convicting if he was on the jury, but he's no conk. Did I miss some Clenz or are you just like the network news that makes shit up?

Look at most any social media around the trial

The number of people, media and otherwise, that pulled the “she’s a cop and he was a criminal she shouldn’t go to jail” was very high

I haven’t seen a single person say the truck driver shouldn’t go. I saw arguments 110 years was excessive, and I don’t really have an opinion on that. I didn’t follow that trial.

clenz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:29 am

89Hen wrote:
I only saw Z say she shouldn't go to jail. JSO said he'd have trouble convicting if he was on the jury, but he's no conk. Did I miss some Clenz or are you just like the network news that makes shit up?

Look at most any social media around the trial

The number of people, media and otherwise, that pulled the “she’s a cop and he was a criminal she shouldn’t go to jail” was very high


I haven’t seen a single person say the truck driver shouldn’t go. I saw arguments 110 years was excessive, and I don’t really have an opinion on that. I didn’t follow that trial.

we had Conks in this thread trying to justify why Potter shouldn't go to jail

UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:49 am

clenz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:29 am
Look at most any social media around the trial

The number of people, media and otherwise, that pulled the “she’s a cop and he was a criminal she shouldn’t go to jail” was very high

I haven’t seen a single person say the truck driver shouldn’t go. I saw arguments 110 years was excessive, and I don’t really have an opinion on that. I didn’t follow that trial.

For every right-winger that thought she was a cop, he was a criminal so she shouldn't go to jail there was a left-winger who thought she was guilty regardless of what the evidence showed and should go to jail.

People jump to conclusions based on their biases.

clenz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:29 am

89Hen wrote:
I only saw Z say she shouldn't go to jail. JSO said he'd have trouble convicting if he was on the jury, but he's no conk. Did I miss some Clenz or are you just like the network news that makes shit up?

Look at most any social media around the trial

The number of people, media and otherwise, that pulled the “she’s a cop and he was a criminal she shouldn’t go to jail” was very high


I haven’t seen a single person say the truck driver shouldn’t go. I saw arguments 110 years was excessive, and I don’t really have an opinion on that. I didn’t follow that trial.


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