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AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm More of you hanging your hat on formal liberal education, like it's some kind of litmus test for intelligence. Living proof our universities pump out nothing but a bunch of indoctrinated idiots, for the most part.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:15 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm More of you hanging your hat on formal liberal education, like it's some kind of litmus test for intelligence. Living proof our universities pump out nothing but a bunch of indoctrinated idiots, for the most part.

I suspect conservatives wouldn't be saying things like that if the situation were reversed. The other thing is that it hasn't always been this way. I have followed exit polling for many years and for a long time the vote among the college educated was pretty evenly split. Post grads pretty much always favored the Democrats but it was usually by something like 8 or 10 percentage points instead of something like 20 percentage points as it was during the 2020 House elections.

Unfortunately I have a hard time finding a complete record of House exit polls. But in 2004, for example, college graduates overall voted by 52% to 46% for Republicans and Post Grads only voted for the Democrats by 52% to 45%.

Litmus test? I don't know about that. But I don't think there is any question that there is a strong correlation between IQ and educational attainment. Not perfect. But very strong. I would be very confident in betting that if we could identify all the voters who are in the top 15% of the IQ distribution we'd find that they vote pretty overwhelmingly for Democrats. I'd guess something like 60% to 40% on a consistent basis.

The flip side is that I also would be confident in betting that those n the bottom 15% of the IQ distribution vote solidly Democrat as well. So if you were to take an average those two things would probably kind of cancel each other out.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm More of you hanging your hat on formal liberal education, like it's some kind of litmus test for intelligence. Living proof our universities pump out nothing but a bunch of indoctrinated idiots, for the most part.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:19 pm

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:15 pm

I suspect conservatives wouldn't be saying things like that if the situation were reversed. The other thing is that it hasn't always been this way. I have followed exit polling for many years and for a long time the vote among the college educated was pretty evenly split. Post grads pretty much always favored the Democrats but it was usually by something like 8 or 10 percentage points instead of something like 20 percentage points as it was during the 2020 House elections.

Unfortunately I have a hard time finding a complete record of House exit polls. But in 2004, for example, college graduates overall voted by 52% to 46% for Republicans and Post Grads only voted for the Democrats by 52% to 45%.

Litmus test? I don't know about that. But I don't think there is any question that there is a strong correlation between IQ and educational attainment. Not perfect. But very strong. I would be very confident in betting that if we could identify all the voters who are in the top 15% of the IQ distribution we'd find that they vote pretty overwhelmingly for Democrats. I'd guess something like 60% to 40% on a consistent basis.

The flip side is that I also would be confident in betting that those n the bottom 15% of the IQ distribution vote solidly Democrat as well. So if you were to take an average those two things would probably kind of cancel each other out.

Yes, lots of word salad to admit that the liberal indoctrination that occurs in our colleges and universities is a relatively new phenomenon, only a generation or so.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:26 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:19 pm

Yes, lots of word salad to admit that the liberal indoctrination that occurs in our colleges and universities is a relatively new phenomenon, only a generation or so.

I am about to be 64 years old and people have been making that claim about colleges doing liberal indoctrination for all of my adult life. People like you need to come to grips with the fact that more knowledgeable people are more likely to vote Democrat and start asking yourself why that is so instead of going to the "liberal indoctrination" cop out.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm More of you hanging your hat on formal liberal education, like it's some kind of litmus test for intelligence. Living proof our universities pump out nothing but a bunch of indoctrinated idiots, for the most part.

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:49 am

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm More of you hanging your hat on formal liberal education, like it's some kind of litmus test for intelligence. Living proof our universities pump out nothing but a bunch of indoctrinated idiots, for the most part.

Is that why you're a banker, Z? Because you got all Cs in high school?

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:10 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:49 am

Is that why you're a banker, Z? Because you got all Cs in high school?

That’s only part of the reason.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:58 pm

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:26 pm

I am about to be 64 years old and people have been making that claim about colleges doing liberal indoctrination for all of my adult life. People like you need to come to grips with the fact that more knowledgeable people are more likely to vote Democrat and start asking yourself why that is so instead of going to the "liberal indoctrination" cop out.

More education <> more knowledgable. Particularly about the important issues facing this country. THAT is what someone on this thread needs to come to grips with.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:41 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:58 pm

More education <> more knowledgable. Particularly about the important issues facing this country. THAT is what someone on this thread needs to come to grips with.

I think it highly likely that there is an association between being more educated and being more knowledgable about the important issues facing this country. Do you REALLY doubt that? For instance, say you were to design a poll where people were asked questions pertaining to being informed about important issues. Do you REALLY doubt that people with college degrees would answer the questions correctly at a higher frequency than those without college degrees do? Be honest with yourself.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:15 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:47 pm More of you hanging your hat on formal liberal education, like it's some kind of litmus test for intelligence. Living proof our universities pump out nothing but a bunch of indoctrinated idiots, for the most part.

I suspect conservatives wouldn't be saying things like that if the situation were reversed. The other thing is that it hasn't always been this way. I have followed exit polling for many years and for a long time the vote among the college educated was pretty evenly split. Post grads pretty much always favored the Democrats but it was usually by something like 8 or 10 percentage points instead of something like 20 percentage points as it was during the 2020 House elections.

Unfortunately I have a hard time finding a complete record of House exit polls. But in 2004, for example, college graduates overall voted by 52% to 46% for Republicans and Post Grads only voted for the Democrats by 52% to 45%.

Litmus test? I don't know about that. But I don't think there is any question that there is a strong correlation between IQ and educational attainment. Not perfect. But very strong. I would be very confident in betting that if we could identify all the voters who are in the top 15% of the IQ distribution we'd find that they vote pretty overwhelmingly for Democrats. I'd guess something like 60% to 40% on a consistent basis.

The flip side is that I also would be confident in betting that those n the bottom 15% of the IQ distribution vote solidly Democrat as well. So if you were to take an average those two things would probably kind of cancel each other out.

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:41 pm

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:58 pm

More education <> more knowledgable. Particularly about the important issues facing this country. THAT is what someone on this thread needs to come to grips with.

I think it highly likely that there is an association between being more educated and being more knowledgable about the important issues facing this country. Do you REALLY doubt that? For instance, say you were to design a poll where people were asked questions pertaining to being informed about important issues. Do you REALLY doubt that people with college degrees would answer the questions correctly at a higher frequency than those without college degrees do? Be honest with yourself.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:57 pm

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:41 pm

I think it highly likely that there is an association between being more educated and being more knowledgable about the important issues facing this country. Do you REALLY doubt that? For instance, say you were to design a poll where people were asked questions pertaining to being informed about important issues. Do you REALLY doubt that people with college degrees would answer the questions correctly at a higher frequency than those without college degrees do? Be honest with yourself.

When the highly educated are saying shit like men can have babies and other woke shit, then yes, definitely.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:19 pm

JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:41 pm

I think it highly likely that there is an association between being more educated and being more knowledgable about the important issues facing this country. Do you REALLY doubt that? For instance, say you were to design a poll where people were asked questions pertaining to being informed about important issues. Do you REALLY doubt that people with college degrees would answer the questions correctly at a higher frequency than those without college degrees do? Be honest with yourself.

Yes, I doubt it. You’re exhibit A, FFS.