2021 Elections

[CID1990]

On the Virginia Governor election: Once again, the Republican was the candidate of relatively uneducated White people.

When I was on my work computer today...during an authorized break of course...I looked up exit polling at https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... -governor/. There is a pay wall so I can't access it now on my personal computer. But I took some screen images.

Terry McAuliffe did about as well among voters with college degrees in general as well as among White voters with college degrees as Biden did. He won among voters with college degrees by 58% to 41%. Biden beat Trump among such voters by 57% to 40%. He won among White voters with college degrees by 53% to 47%. Biden beat Trump among such voters by 52% to 45%.

So, if we were only talking about highly educated voters, we'd have gotten about the same result.

But, while Biden actually beat Trump among voters without college degrees by 53% to 46%, McAuffie lost among that group by 60% to 40%. And he lost by worse among White voters without college degrees. Biden did lose among White voters without college degrees by 62% to 38%. But McAuliffe lost among that group by 76% to 24%.

So, you can see where the movement was. It wasn't among highly educated voters.

My opinion is that it was a matter of relatively ignorant White people buying dog whistle stuff. Like the idea that Youngkin is going to be better for education in Virginia is absolutely ridiculous. The idea that Youngkin is even qualified for the job is absolutely ridiculous. Highly educated people are more likely to understand such things.

It isn’t rural whites who handed the governorship to the GOP in a deep purple state, dude.

It is moderates and swing voters who swung for Biden in 2020 who tilted to Youngkin this time around.

The rural white voters vote the same way every year and usually Va stays blue. So your screed is off base. Youngkin is a hell of a lot closer to being a Reagan Republican than a MAGA Republican but your whining about him winning is further evidence that Trump broke something in your head.

BTW Youngkin peeled off a significant slice of Hispanic voters as well as some of the black vote. The bottom line is that most people in this country tire of the aimless spending and woke absurdities as they do a Tweet farting President.

America is largely moderate and that is who decides swing elections, like they did in Va.


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[JohnStOnge]

Dear Moderates: The Left Isn’t Why McAuliffe Lost Virginia



Use this link if a paywall gets in the way:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dear-moderat ... 16661.html

Either this writer is out of touch or I am but a Vox poll is probably as unbiased as one from OAN.

I’ve been reading about how the BBB agenda is not polling well ... and this article says the opposite.


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I think the left is indeed a factor in why McCauliffe lost Virginia. I think it's obvious. But what I've seen in polling reports is that if you ask people whether or not they support the individual things that are IN the agenda, they overwhelmingly support each one. I haven't seen polling if the question is "Do you support the Build Back Better agenda?"

From what I've seen, though, it's pretty clear that if the Democrats can find a way to get people to understand what's IN the agenda they will do well.

[UNI88]

Dear Moderates: The Left Isn’t Why McAuliffe Lost Virginia

Use this link if a paywall gets in the way:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dear-moderat ... 16661.html

Either this writer is out of touch or I am but a Vox poll is probably as unbiased as one from OAN.

I’ve been reading about how the BBB agenda is not polling well ... and this article says the opposite.

It's an echo chamber article meant to give the left confidence that the country agrees with them despite evidence to the contrary.

[UNI88]

Translation from JSO: People without college degrees are ignorant.

I would say that, on average, people without college degrees are more ignorant than people with college degrees are. Also less intelligent. That's on average. Do you really doubt that, if someone were to give IQ tests to all the people in Virginia with college degrees and all the people in Virginia without them, the average for the people with college degrees would be higher? Or design a reasonable test with respect to knowledge about what's going on in the world, the country, and in their State. You know which group would score higher on average. It wouldn't be the group without college degrees.

Nice example of the death of tolerance and growth of moral self-righteousness by donks.

Stereotyping people based is bigotry. It doesn't matter if it's based on education level or skin color, it's bigotry.

[kalm]

Yeah. Polls show the public likes individual items of BBB but gags at the cost. Sorry, John Q: no free stuff.

And most rational, tax-paying adults are skeptical of Dem claims that the costs will be born by the wealthy.

They should be.

As Ivy pointed out, voters support the individual parts. Republicans have done a nice job in casting the whole shebang as large scale socialism that will harm the common man. ‘You could be rich someday too and it will be due to your heroic badassery and an economically rewarding meritocracy’. Hell, I’m starting to believe that as I type it.

The Dems are not good at branding their party or policies. If it was called democratic capitalism instead of democratic socialism there’d at least be some positive confusion.

(And establishment douchebags like McCauliffe dont help)

[DSUrocks07]

That race says so much about where the pseudo-progressive agenda stands with the majority of the American people and it isn't nearly as popular as the ctrl-left thinks it is.

It's also interesting that there was no Republican candidate on the ballot. I'm wonder if it was a calculated move to keep from taking votes away from Brown. They knew that Brown as a write-in candidate stood a much better chance than any Republican.

I don't think the GOP is that bright. And they didn't know Brown had lost his primary until he did, which was the same time a GOP candidate would've been chosen. I just think Buffalo is a one-party city (most cities of any size are).

Sounds like the GOP here in Delaware.


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[DSUrocks07]

On the Virginia Governor election: Once again, the Republican was the candidate of relatively uneducated White people.

When I was on my work computer today...during an authorized break of course...I looked up exit polling at https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... -governor/. There is a pay wall so I can't access it now on my personal computer. But I took some screen images.

Terry McAuliffe did about as well among voters with college degrees in general as well as among White voters with college degrees as Biden did. He won among voters with college degrees by 58% to 41%. Biden beat Trump among such voters by 57% to 40%. He won among White voters with college degrees by 53% to 47%. Biden beat Trump among such voters by 52% to 45%.

So, if we were only talking about highly educated voters, we'd have gotten about the same result.

But, while Biden actually beat Trump among voters without college degrees by 53% to 46%, McAuffie lost among that group by 60% to 40%. And he lost by worse among White voters without college degrees. Biden did lose among White voters without college degrees by 62% to 38%. But McAuliffe lost among that group by 76% to 24%.

So, you can see where the movement was. It wasn't among highly educated voters.

My opinion is that it was a matter of relatively ignorant White people buying dog whistle stuff. Like the idea that Youngkin is going to be better for education in Virginia is absolutely ridiculous. The idea that Youngkin is even qualified for the job is absolutely ridiculous. Highly educated people are more likely to understand such things.

Translation from JSO: People without college degrees are ignorant.

Ironic that he trashes Youngkin despite him having one as well.

But that goes against his pushed narrative. #oops

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[LeadBolt]

McAuliff lost VA on parental involvement education, being caught with dirty tricks and untrue ads (4 Pinocchios by the Washington Post), and campaigning against Trump instead of Youngkin.

McAuliff was dishonest, arrogant out of step. Suburban parents (particularly the Moma Bears) elected Youngkin.

House of Delagates also flipped from D to R.

R Lt Governor elected was a Black female and R Atty General was. Hispanic.

Republican victory was not about race and prejudice. Keep thinking that and keep losing Dims.

You can’t get a 12% swing on rural, uneducated whites.

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[SDHornet]

Yup. If Breyer wants his seat to stay Blue then he should retire.

Although - we both know the Republicans will come up with some bullshit excuse as to why they can't confirm him if he he retired today and his replacement was announced next week.

Nah, although they've been obnoxious about it (as the GOP tends to be), they've been in the right on the two controversial SCOTUS picks. They held the majority of the Senate when that weak pick Garland (not having him be a SCOTUS justice turned out to be an incredibly fortunate outcome) was put forward. I know some will say he at least deserved an actual vote, but I think that's semantics, they voted no on him by not considering him. Obama should've pulled him back and nominated someone else. And then keep doing that. He let the GOP off easy, but at least in that case they had the numbers. Same with Amy Coney Barrett - the GOP held the Senate at the time and they went through all the steps. The GOP Senate then could be criticized for many things, but they held the power to confirm judges and they did just that in both cases.

I wouldn't have any problem with the Dems, while they hold the Senate with a tie-breaker in Harris, trying to fill a vacancy created by Breyer resigning. GOP can't do anything about blocking it other than doing what the Dems did with Coney Barrett and just not giving the nominee any votes, no matter how good the pick it. The Dems might face a bigger problem doing that, if they try to emulate the process with Coney Barrett, just due to them having such a slim majority. Even the GOP wasn't unanimous in confirming Coney Barrett, so would the Dems be unanimous with who they pick this time around?

With he has been running the DOJ, Cocaine Mitch's move turned out to be a masterclass in political maneuvering. That move to keep Garland off SCOTUS literally saved America.

[SDHornet]

Good points. I’m looking at it through a rhetoric/PR standpoint.

The progressive caucus is caving on the financial package. The Dems have an image issue. Candidates like McCauliffe don’t help.

McAuliffe was a disaster. They really need to move on (ha, funny pun) from Clinton cronies like McAuliffe. Running a fresh candidate would've been much better.

As for the financial package (funny to just call it that, as if it's just some financing going on), someone has to cave, they don't have the votes. It's a problem when you start off completely eliminating any chance of cooperation from the other party like they did when they told the GOP to wait until the next election since the Dems had all the power. Probably understandable when the Dems had the super majority back during Obama's first term and they decided to mock and deride Paul Ryan, but an entirely different thing when you have the slimmest of margins in the Senate and can't afford a single castoff. I'm not sure they'll get it through at all - just playing budget gimmicks to make up a total cost number while still pushing ahead isn't great legislation.

The Loundon County School Board scandal did him in (covering up rapes and then having the FBI label parents "domestic terrorists" doesn't win you elections)...also parading around with the teachers unions leaders only addid fuel to the fire in the education issue.

This fat "L" couldn't have happened to a nicer group of fucks.

[SDHornet]

Dear Moderates: The Left Isn’t Why McAuliffe Lost Virginia



Use this link if a paywall gets in the way:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dear-moderat ... 16661.html

Either this writer is out of touch or I am but a Vox poll is probably as unbiased as one from OAN.

I’ve been reading about how the BBB agenda is not polling well ... and this article says the opposite.


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Yes, let the Donk double down on this platform.

[SDHornet]

On the Virginia Governor election: Once again, the Republican was the candidate of relatively uneducated White people.

When I was on my work computer today...during an authorized break of course...I looked up exit polling at https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... -governor/. There is a pay wall so I can't access it now on my personal computer. But I took some screen images.

Terry McAuliffe did about as well among voters with college degrees in general as well as among White voters with college degrees as Biden did. He won among voters with college degrees by 58% to 41%. Biden beat Trump among such voters by 57% to 40%. He won among White voters with college degrees by 53% to 47%. Biden beat Trump among such voters by 52% to 45%.

So, if we were only talking about highly educated voters, we'd have gotten about the same result.

But, while Biden actually beat Trump among voters without college degrees by 53% to 46%, McAuffie lost among that group by 60% to 40%. And he lost by worse among White voters without college degrees. Biden did lose among White voters without college degrees by 62% to 38%. But McAuliffe lost among that group by 76% to 24%.

So, you can see where the movement was. It wasn't among highly educated voters.

My opinion is that it was a matter of relatively ignorant White people buying dog whistle stuff. Like the idea that Youngkin is going to be better for education in Virginia is absolutely ridiculous. The idea that Youngkin is even qualified for the job is absolutely ridiculous. Highly educated people are more likely to understand such things.

It isn’t rural whites who handed the governorship to the GOP in a deep purple state, dude.

It is moderates and swing voters who swung for Biden in 2020 who tilted to Youngkin this time around.

The rural white voters vote the same way every year and usually Va stays blue. So your screed is off base. Youngkin is a hell of a lot closer to being a Reagan Republican than a MAGA Republican but your whining about him winning is further evidence that Trump broke something in your head.

BTW Youngkin peeled off a significant slice of Hispanic voters as well as some of the black vote. The bottom line is that most people in this country tire of the aimless spending and woke absurdities as they do a Tweet farting President.

America is largely moderate and that is who decides swing elections, like they did in Va.


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[SDHornet]

Team Brown coming through again. Stick that in your demographics pipe and smoke it, JSO.

[SDHornet]

This is one of the top stories after the sweep atop the VA election. A truck driver ran against one of the most senior donks in the NJ legislature, spent like $150 on his campaign and won. Fucking epic.

[SDHornet]

Oh.

[Baldy]

And most rational, tax-paying adults are skeptical of Dem claims that the costs will be born by the wealthy.

They should be.

As Ivy pointed out, voters support the individual parts. Republicans have done a nice job in casting the whole shebang as large scale socialism that will harm the common man. ‘You could be rich someday too and it will be due to your heroic badassery and an economically rewarding meritocracy’. Hell, I’m starting to believe that as I type it.

The Dems are not good at branding their party or policies. If it was called democratic capitalism instead of democratic socialism there’d at least be some positive confusion.

(And establishment douchebags like McCauliffe dont help)

You can poll people all day long on individual likes and dislikes and get the answer you're looking for...
Do you like pie?
Do you like cake?
Do you like ice cream?
Do you like chips?

The vast majority of people love all those things. However, when you package it all together and tell people that will be their entire diet from now on, the vast majority aren't going to go for it.

It's not a messaging issue, it is a fundamental philosophical issue.

[89Hen]

This is one of the top stories after the sweep atop the VA election. A truck driver ran against one of the most senior donks in the NJ legislature, spent like $150 on his campaign and won. Fucking epic.

That would be like a bartender beating a long standing incumbent (who actually is a great person).

[UNI88]

Oh.

Wow! Is that really how they run elections in NJ? They don't check a list of registered voters for that precinct?

[HI54UNI]

Translation from JSO: People without college degrees are ignorant.

I would say that, on average, people without college degrees are more ignorant than people with college degrees are. Also less intelligent. That's on average. Do you really doubt that, if someone were to give IQ tests to all the people in Virginia with college degrees and all the people in Virginia without them, the average for the people with college degrees would be higher? Or design a reasonable test with respect to knowledge about what's going on in the world, the country, and in their State. You know which group would score higher on average. It wouldn't be the group without college degrees.

You always fall into the arrogant position of defining intelligence with book smarts. There are a lot of people with book smarts that are dumber than shit. Can you repair or replace your HVAC or plumbing system? What about major items on your car? If your car won't run are you going to find some college educated guy to fix it? What about the blue collar guy that runs the power plant, farms, drives truck, etc? You'd die within months without those people you look down on.

[89Hen]

Wow! Is that really how they run elections in NJ? They don't check a list of registered voters for that precinct?

Your surprise was almost believable.

[Baldy]

I would say that, on average, people without college degrees are more ignorant than people with college degrees are. Also less intelligent. That's on average. Do you really doubt that, if someone were to give IQ tests to all the people in Virginia with college degrees and all the people in Virginia without them, the average for the people with college degrees would be higher? Or design a reasonable test with respect to knowledge about what's going on in the world, the country, and in their State. You know which group would score higher on average. It wouldn't be the group without college degrees.

You always fall into the arrogant position of defining intelligence with books smarts. There are a lot of people with book smarts that are dumber than shit. Can you repair or replace your HVAC or plumbing system? What about major items on your car? If your car won't run are you going to find some college educated guy to fix it? What about the blue collar guy that runs the power plant, farms, drives truck, etc? You'd die within months without those people you look down on.

I'm old enough to remember when JSO used to go off on his racist diatribes about IQ and skin color. What he presented back then doesn't really jibe with the shit he's spewing now.

[GannonFan]

Yeah. Polls show the public likes individual items of BBB but gags at the cost. Sorry, John Q: no free stuff.

I'm not sure if the public does gag at the cost. But if that is indeed a problem the Democrats need to find a way to get perceptions adjusted to take into account that the 3.5 billion and now the 1.5 or 1.75 or whatever it is cost numbers are 10 year numbers.

The CBO estimates that the Federal Government will spend about $63.4 trillion over the next 10 years (see https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57339). $3.5 trillion over that 10 years is "only" about 5.5% of that figure. Yes, it's a lot of money. But I think using the 10 year figure creates the impression that it is more in the context of what Federal spending already is than it actually is.

Very difficult to get that across in simple terms that could make people grasp the situation though. It's a lot easier to just shout "IT'S $3.5 TRILLION" than to get an in context perspective across is. But I think if you could somehow get everyone to understand that we're talking about increasing spending by 5 or 6% over what it's already projected to be most people who support the objectives would go for that.

Come on, stop being a Democratic shill, you lose more and more credibility every time you post. No one knows the cost of the current BBB because there is no current BBB - there's nothing decided, nothing written down, and nothing to propose yet. The CBO hasn't scored anything, and the Dems seem to be committed to possibly bypassing the CBO anyway before voting on it because they don't want it scored properly. And what numbers are out there are "10 year numbers", but they only include costs for very limited timeframes (like the child tax credit only being extended a year) when they know that once established, entitlement programs are very hard to curtail, let alone kill entirely. So when you only put one year of that into the budget estimate, knowing full well that it will exist for the entire 10 year window that is supposed to be the basis of the bill scoring, you know that you are purposely hiding costs to make the headline look more palatable. I know you know all of this, so the fact that you hide behind that BS as well means that you're just as duplicitous. For shame, JSO, you used to be so much better (well, except for the whole NAMBLA thing of course).

[GannonFan]

Watch out. We've got an Ivy league badass over here shit-talking Catholic U. The rest of us from these even less than "middling" public degree mills better check our credentials.

And yeah, the pre-2016 JSO was lost to TDS. No need to read any of his bullshit ramblings anymore. They used to at least be entertaining and somewhat well-reasoned.

Compared to Notre Dame, Georgetown (which purports to be Catholic), Holy Cross, and Fordham, Catholic U is inferior. Beyond that, McAuliffe has only profited from the courage of his connections. Youngkin is a bona fide success story.

I'm running home right away to have my son pull back his application to Catholic (and the honors program there - it's probably #4 or #5 on his list of schools and he'll probably get into #1 anyway, but it's still on the list). Can't really afford the other schools mentioned, but I'll make sure he knows it's off the list now!

[89Hen]

89Henette went to the oldest Catholic university in the 50 states (a dig at G'town being in DC).

[Ibanez]

I would say that, on average, people without college degrees are more ignorant than people with college degrees are. Also less intelligent. That's on average. Do you really doubt that, if someone were to give IQ tests to all the people in Virginia with college degrees and all the people in Virginia without them, the average for the people with college degrees would be higher? Or design a reasonable test with respect to knowledge about what's going on in the world, the country, and in their State. You know which group would score higher on average. It wouldn't be the group without college degrees.

You always fall into the arrogant position of defining intelligence with book smarts. There are a lot of people with book smarts that are dumber than shit. Can you repair or replace your HVAC or plumbing system? What about major items on your car? If your car won't run are you going to find some college educated guy to fix it? What about the blue collar guy that runs the power plant, farms, drives truck, etc? You'd die within months without those people you look down on.

JSO only uses Ivy League educated repairmen, contractors, caterers, musicians, etc.... for his needs.