We Need a New President...

[Ibanez]

Do tell…..

Have you reversed your stance on the 2008 bank bailouts? Do you have a level playing field with B of A?

(Sorry Ibanez )

you bastard!!!! We're 'Merica's bank!!!!!!!

[Ibanez]

Yes. He should have sat down and shut up.

His problem was personality, not governing.

Trump is an awful person. He ruled however with relatively good policies and outcomes for the country.

Income inequity was shrinking, unemployment plummeted, we achieved energy independence and a growing economy.

Foreign governments didn’t want to screw with the USA, we weren’t being overwhelmed with illegal, COVID riddled immigrants, etc.

We did however have to put up with his intense narcissism, thin skin and mean tweets.

If he had just STFU and carried on, the USA would be in a better place today.


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If he had just STFU, he probably would've won re-election. He certainly wouldn't have stirred up the crazy's on the extreme right into a frenzy.

[CID1990]

Yes. He should have sat down and shut up.

His problem was personality, not governing.

Trump is an awful person. He ruled however with relatively good policies and outcomes for the country.

Income inequity was shrinking, unemployment plummeted, we achieved energy independence and a growing economy.

Foreign governments didn’t want to screw with the USA, we weren’t being overwhelmed with illegal, COVID riddled immigrants, etc.

We did however have to put up with his intense narcissism, thin skin and mean tweets.

If he had just STFU and carried on, the USA would be in a better place today.


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If he had just STFU, he probably would've won re-election. He certainly wouldn't have stirred up the crazy's on the extreme right into a frenzy.

It boggles the min how nobody in MAGA world is the least bit pissed at him. HE cost himself the election just by being a fucking shitgibbon

And now Biden is doing his best to hand another term to the guy

We just do not have serious people at all


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[Ibanez]

If he had just STFU, he probably would've won re-election. He certainly wouldn't have stirred up the crazy's on the extreme right into a frenzy.

It boggles the min how nobody in MAGA world is the least bit pissed at him. HE cost himself the election just by being a fucking shitgibbon

And now Biden is doing his best to hand another term to the guy

We just do not have serious people at all


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You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

[AZGrizFan]

It boggles the min how nobody in MAGA world is the least bit pissed at him. HE cost himself the election just by being a fucking shitgibbon

And now Biden is doing his best to hand another term to the guy

We just do not have serious people at all


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You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

I’m sure y’all understand that for every MAGAtard, there was another voter who simply plugged their nose and couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Biden, yes? But we still get lumped in….

[Ibanez]

You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

I’m sure y’all understand that for every MAGAtard, there was another voter who simply plugged their nose and couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Biden, yes? But we still get lumped in….

Like many of us that voted for Biden....yet wet we still get lumped in...

[CitadelGrad]

It boggles the min how nobody in MAGA world is the least bit pissed at him. HE cost himself the election just by being a fucking shitgibbon

And now Biden is doing his best to hand another term to the guy

We just do not have serious people at all


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You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

Trump was never seen as Jesus walking on water. He was and still is seen as a big "fuck you" to the corrupt establishment. When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

[Ibanez]

You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

Trump was never seen as Jesus walking on water. He was and still is seen as a big "fuck you" to the corrupt establishment. When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

Hyperbole - I figured you'd recognize it by now.

[kalm]

You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

Trump was never seen as Jesus walking on water. He was and still is seen as a big "fuck you" to the corrupt establishment. When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

[GannonFan]

Trump was never seen as Jesus walking on water. He was and still is seen as a big "fuck you" to the corrupt establishment. When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

Eh, that just doesn't ring well. Trump certainly knew how the establishment worked and how to work it to his own ends, but he certainly wasn't part of the Establishment - he'd still be in office if he was.

[AZGrizFan]

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

Eh, that just doesn't ring well. Trump certainly knew how the establishment worked and how to work it to his own ends, but he certainly wasn't part of the Establishment - he'd still be in office if he was.

Yep.

[UNI88]

You can't tell MAGA world anything. Trump was like Jesus walking on water. It was a multi-party failure.

Trump was never seen as Jesus walking on water. He was and still is seen as a big "fuck you" to the corrupt establishment. When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

Only to be one-upped when the other half of the "worst people in the country" completely lost their shit 4 years later.

[UNI88]

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

Eh, that just doesn't ring well. Trump certainly knew how the establishment worked and how to work it to his own ends, but he certainly wasn't part of the Establishment - he'd still be in office if he was.

The flip side of that is the gullible fools who believed (and still believe) that Trump was going to drain the Swamp. Trump was a crooked as a 3 dollar bill and he wanted 100% of the grift for himself and his family and friends. The ball-licking adoration of the MAGAts was a YUGE bonus.

[kalm]

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

Eh, that just doesn't ring well. Trump certainly knew how the establishment worked and how to work it to his own ends, but he certainly wasn't part of the Establishment - he'd still be in office if he was.

Agree to disagree. I don’t see big business and big government as different. You can’t manipulate government without access. Trump had plenty of access even if he’d never held office.

[GannonFan]

Eh, that just doesn't ring well. Trump certainly knew how the establishment worked and how to work it to his own ends, but he certainly wasn't part of the Establishment - he'd still be in office if he was.

Agree to disagree. I don’t see big business and big government as different. You can’t manipulate government without access. Trump had plenty of access even if he’d never held office.

If you can't see the difference between government and business, even though they work together to many common goals, then I don't know what you're looking at. There are political establishment folks who maintain their very public positions of governmental power, taking money from the business establishment as needed to further both interests, and then there are the business establishment that make a lot of money but don't necessarily play the public game.

If Trump was so establishment then there wouldn't have been such an outcry when he was elected and there wouldn't have been the collective initiative to either impeach him out or elect him out. Look at what Biden, a pure establishment person, has done in his first term and the collective yawn from the establishment. If Trump had the similar woeful record in his first 7 months there'd be non-stop protests surrounding the White House and multiple committees drafting impeachment articles.

You could of course be confusing Trump the person (as I said, knew how the establishment worked) with the forces that voted him in and buoyed him throughout his term. He may have at one point in time been establishment, but he certainly didn't preside as one. The evidence of the Establishment going full-out to defeat him is all the proof you need.

[89Hen]

When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

[BDKJMU]

When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

[CitadelGrad]

Trump was never seen as Jesus walking on water. He was and still is seen as a big "fuck you" to the corrupt establishment. When he was elected in 2016, I knew I made the right choice because the worst people in the country and the world lost their shit.

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

Maybe you should sit this one out. Go grab a drink of water.

[kalm]

Trump was establishment. He admitted as much in one of the 2016 debates. He understood the game and knew how to play it.

Unless you think our government somehow operates outside of business.

Maybe you should sit this one out. Go grab a drink of water.

He’s so establishment, he’s a goddamned Yankees fan.

[Ivytalk]

Maybe you should sit this one out. Go grab a drink of water.

He’s so establishment, he’s a goddamned Yankees fan.

Giuliani, Drumpf, Bloomberg, Clinton, Torre. Who’s the dude on the right?

[JohnStOnge]

Yes. He should have sat down and shut up.

His problem was personality, not governing.

Trump is an awful person. He ruled however with relatively good policies and outcomes for the country.

Income inequity was shrinking, unemployment plummeted, we achieved energy independence and a growing economy.

Foreign governments didn’t want to screw with the USA, we weren’t being overwhelmed with illegal, COVID riddled immigrants, etc.

We did however have to put up with his intense narcissism, thin skin and mean tweets.

If he had just STFU and carried on, the USA would be in a better place today.


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Trump did not govern well. The unemployment rate had been "plummeting" since 2010. The rate of decline actually slowed after Trump took office. It's reasonable to say it slowed because it was getting so low and not because of Trump. But Trump was clearly not the reason for the declining unemployment rate. Same with income inequality and energy independence. Trump did not do those things. To the extent that any President is a factor, Trump simply took the steering wheel from the previous President and trends that were already well established continued for a while.

Foreign governments were not at all afraid to screw with the USA. Trump was a buffoon and foreign governments knew it. They constantly played him.

This thing that Trump "caused" any good times is a complete myth. At some point people need to stop repeating it. Meanwhile he totally corrupted our systems of government then did an AWUFL job responding to COVID-19. Before that he and the Republicans did a tax cut while making the false claim that it would not decrease the deficit.

The guy was horrible. He is going to go down in history as one of the worst Presidents the United States ever had and my guess it'll be THE worst to this point.

[AZGrizFan]

He’s so establishment, he’s a goddamned Yankees fan.

Giuliani, Drumpf, Bloomberg, Clinton, Torre. Who’s the dude on the right?

Are you serious? That’s Billy Crystal.

[AZGrizFan]

Yes. He should have sat down and shut up.

His problem was personality, not governing.

Trump is an awful person. He ruled however with relatively good policies and outcomes for the country.

Income inequity was shrinking, unemployment plummeted, we achieved energy independence and a growing economy.

Foreign governments didn’t want to screw with the USA, we weren’t being overwhelmed with illegal, COVID riddled immigrants, etc.

We did however have to put up with his intense narcissism, thin skin and mean tweets.

If he had just STFU and carried on, the USA would be in a better place today.


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Trump did not govern well. The unemployment rate had been "plummeting" since 2010. The rate of decline actually slowed after Trump took office. It's reasonable to say it slowed because it was getting so low and not because of Trump. But Trump was clearly not the reason for the declining unemployment rate. Same with income inequality and energy independence. Trump did not do those things. To the extent that any President is a factor, Trump simply took the steering wheel from the previous President and trends that were already well established continued for a while.

Foreign governments were not at all afraid to screw with the USA. Trump was a buffoon and foreign governments knew it. They constantly played him.

This thing that Trump "caused" any good times is a complete myth. At some point people need to stop repeating it. Meanwhile he totally corrupted our systems of government then did an AWUFL job responding to COVID-19. Before that he and the Republicans did a tax cut while making the false claim that it would not decrease the deficit.

The guy was horrible. He is going to go down in history as one of the worst Presidents the United States ever had and my guess it'll be THE worst to this point.

When something is approaching zero, it’s bound to slow…unless you believe it could go negative? And given your lack of understanding of economic principles, you probably DO think it could go negative.

[JohnStOnge]

Eh, that just doesn't ring well. Trump certainly knew how the establishment worked and how to work it to his own ends, but he certainly wasn't part of the Establishment - he'd still be in office if he was.

Agree to disagree. I don’t see big business and big government as different. You can’t manipulate government without access. Trump had plenty of access even if he’d never held office.

I think that business and government are VERY different. I don't think one should want to have someone with no experience in government as President than they should want to have someone with no experience in business be Exxon CEO. I think they are completely different realms.

Business is driven by the profit motive. Government is not. A Government executive is constrained by rules that a private business executive is not; and I think rightly so.

I have always completely disagreed with the popular notion that government should be run like a business and that a businessman would make a good government chief executive. Government is NOT a business.

[JohnStOnge]

Trump did not govern well. The unemployment rate had been "plummeting" since 2010. The rate of decline actually slowed after Trump took office. It's reasonable to say it slowed because it was getting so low and not because of Trump. But Trump was clearly not the reason for the declining unemployment rate. Same with income inequality and energy independence. Trump did not do those things. To the extent that any President is a factor, Trump simply took the steering wheel from the previous President and trends that were already well established continued for a while.

Foreign governments were not at all afraid to screw with the USA. Trump was a buffoon and foreign governments knew it. They constantly played him.

This thing that Trump "caused" any good times is a complete myth. At some point people need to stop repeating it. Meanwhile he totally corrupted our systems of government then did an AWUFL job responding to COVID-19. Before that he and the Republicans did a tax cut while making the false claim that it would not decrease the deficit.

The guy was horrible. He is going to go down in history as one of the worst Presidents the United States ever had and my guess it'll be THE worst to this point.

When something is approaching zero, it’s bound to slow…unless you believe it could go negative? And given your lack of understanding of economic principles, you probably DO think it could go negative.

I wrote that it's reasonable to say that the unemployment rate slowed because it was getting so low and not because of Trump. But the point is there is no indication that the trend towards lower unemployment was because of Trump either. I won't repeat the numbers again because we've been over them many time. But the unemployment rate had been declining for many years after peaking in 2010. The start of the trend did not coincide in any way with Trump taking office. No sensible person looking at the data would say Trump was the reason for the fact that the unemployment rate "plummeted."