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SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:10 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:02 pm

It is great AND it can be better.

There are loads of immigrant stories where hard work and perseverance helped people rise up out of poverty including my own family’s.
Agree. Care to indulge on some of the ideologies the governments of those past and present immigrants partook in?
You mean the ones that came to America to get free land?
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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:02 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm
Well I'd say I've done pretty good coming from a kid from the hood born into a working class family with no education high than a HS diploma to earn a stem degree and have all my bill paid. If I can do it, anyone can do it. Ain't America great? :nod: 8-)
It is great AND it can be better.

There are loads of immigrant stories where hard work and perseverance helped people rise up out of poverty including my own family’s.
If it's great, why do we want to change it so drastically? The changes being pushed by Bernie, AOChe, et al are not tweaks, they're significant. They're the kind of changes you make to a mediocre or worse system that needs an overhaul, not the kind of changes you make to a "great" system to try and make it better. They're significant enough to risk breaking the system.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:55 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:10 pm

Agree. Care to indulge on some of the ideologies the governments of those past and present immigrants partook in?
I was speaking about our own so...free tuition, social security, Medicare, homestead act, RR act, interstate highways, public research universities, you get the picture. :mrgreen:
Lol. “Free”.
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CID1990 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:09 pm Historical proof of your assertion:

Communism: ~ 50

Pure Capitalism: 0
It depends on which side of capitalism you're on. You think it's great because you've benefitted from the system, but many - in the US and abroad, throughout history - have taken the brunt of it. Capitalism has failed before, leading nations to find alternative economic systems. Of course communism has failed many as well.

Ultimately though, the lack of protecting democracy is what leads to authoritarianism.

I hope Cuba finds a way to restore its democracy and we should support them no matter the economic system they proceed with.
That’s a lot of MAGA-level word salad to skirt around historical fact

Ask the Cubans which they prefer ... the imperfect and unequal flaws of capitalist systems, or all the other stuff


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dbackjon wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:59 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:10 pm

Agree. Care to indulge on some of the ideologies the governments of those past and present immigrants partook in?
You mean the ones that came to America to get free land?
Yes, yes. Lots of free land being given away lately.
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Ivytalk wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:53 pm
Baldy wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:48 pm
The Cuban people aren't in the streets protesting the embargo. I wonder why?
They’re too busy fixing their ‘58 Oldsmobiles. :nod:
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:19 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:56 pm

This nation was founded on classical liberal ideas. I am a classical liberal. Bernie, AOChe, et al are neo liberals. :coffee:
This.

Face it - this country was founded by libs (Abraham Lincoln would be a liberal in today's world).
So Lincoln was for gay marriage, open borders. Gays in the military. Trannys in the military. Who knew?

Lincoln in 1858:
I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality ... I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or
child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white me.
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/153860
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dbackjon wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:59 pm
SDHornet wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:10 pm

Agree. Care to indulge on some of the ideologies the governments of those past and present immigrants partook in?
You mean the ones that came to America to get free land?
Free land? :? :lol:
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:49 pm
Ibanez wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:19 pm
This.

Face it - this country was founded by libs (Abraham Lincoln would be a liberal in today's world).
So Lincoln was for gay marriage, open borders. Gays in the military. Trannys in the military. Who knew?

Lincoln in 1858:
I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality ... I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or
child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white me.
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/153860
Sounds like a liberal today.
They were for social justice - yes. It's ok to be ignorant on a topic. And it's cute that you think one quote represents an entire party. :dunce:

We've had this discussion - the platforms for the Rs and Ds basically switched in the early 20th century (truly, an ideological shift in the 1910s).

The first Republicans were for big government intervention. The party supported classical liberalism, tariffs, environmental protection and conservation, pro-labor unions (until the 1920s). They wildly expanded federal power in the late 1800s. After the Civil War, Republicans advanced legislation for social justice reforms, laws to protect blacks - all of which were opposed by Democrats who hated government interference. Does that sound familiar? They've pretty much always been anti-Immigration.

The modern Evangelical GOP didn't arise until our lifetimes (when so many of the Southern Democrats became Republicans).

Go read about William Jennings Bryant - it's all his fault.
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Homeland Security chief says U.S. will not give refuge to those fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat

People fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat will not be allowed to enter the U.S., even if they demonstrate fear of being persecuted or tortured in their home countries, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned on Tuesday.

"Allow me to be clear: if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States," Mayorkas said, highlighting the dangers of traversing the Caribbean Sea and the Florida Straits by boat.

Mayorkas, a Cuban immigrant who fled the island with his family in 1960, issued his stern warning in the wake of seismic political events that have rocked Cuba and Haiti in recent days.

In Cuba, large-scale protests erupted over the weekend, forming one of the biggest public demonstrations of dissent faced by the island's communist government. Meanwhile, in Haiti, the brazen assassination of President Jovenel Moise has thrown the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere into further political upheaval.
Not one single peep about this from the Donks...no AOC...nothing but crickets. Why? :?

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Baldy wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:43 am
Homeland Security chief says U.S. will not give refuge to those fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat

People fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat will not be allowed to enter the U.S., even if they demonstrate fear of being persecuted or tortured in their home countries, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned on Tuesday.

"Allow me to be clear: if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States," Mayorkas said, highlighting the dangers of traversing the Caribbean Sea and the Florida Straits by boat.

Mayorkas, a Cuban immigrant who fled the island with his family in 1960, issued his stern warning in the wake of seismic political events that have rocked Cuba and Haiti in recent days.

In Cuba, large-scale protests erupted over the weekend, forming one of the biggest public demonstrations of dissent faced by the island's communist government. Meanwhile, in Haiti, the brazen assassination of President Jovenel Moise has thrown the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere into further political upheaval.
Not one single peep about this from the Donks...no AOC...nothing but crickets. Why? :?

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but but but the Boogeyman says the Donks are for open borders! This doesn't really seem like it to me.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:10 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:02 pm

It is great AND it can be better.

There are loads of immigrant stories where hard work and perseverance helped people rise up out of poverty including my own family’s.
If it's great, why do we want to change it so drastically? The changes being pushed by Bernie, AOChe, et al are not tweaks, they're significant. They're the kind of changes you make to a mediocre or worse system that needs an overhaul, not the kind of changes you make to a "great" system to try and make it better. They're significant enough to risk breaking the system.

Fair...but you could also say the greatness was helped along by older progressive policies that have been threatened by under funding and/or privatization. “Significant” is relative.

And great organizations (governments, businesses, charities, sports franchises, etc.) don’t rest on their laurels. The old “evolve or die” comes into play.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:46 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:55 pm

I was speaking about our own so...free tuition, social security, Medicare, homestead act, RR act, interstate highways, public research universities, you get the picture. :mrgreen:
Lol. “Free”.
Ok. Tax payer funded programs that provide economic benefit to society as a whole. :roll:
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:51 am
Baldy wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:43 am
Homeland Security chief says U.S. will not give refuge to those fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat


Not one single peep about this from the Donks...no AOC...nothing but crickets. Why? :?

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but but but the Boogeyman says the Donks are for open borders! This doesn't really seem like it to me.
Proof that open borders is about votes and ideology, not compassion. Cuban immigrants have experienced socialism and are less likely to vote for Ds than other Latino immigrants. Plus they're unnecessarily fleeing what some morons think is a good system that is better than the one they're fleeing to.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:39 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:51 am

but but but the Boogeyman says the Donks are for open borders! This doesn't really seem like it to me.
Proof that open borders is about votes and ideology, not compassion. Cuban immigrants have experienced socialism and are less likely to vote for Ds than other Latino immigrants. Plus they're unnecessarily freeing what some morons think is a good system that is better than the one they're fleeing to.
Proof? :lol:

She didn’t say a word about EWU athletics funding either. She doesn’t care!!!
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kalm wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:06 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:39 am
Proof that open borders is about votes and ideology, not compassion. Cuban immigrants have experienced socialism and are less likely to vote for Ds than other Latino immigrants. Plus they're unnecessarily fleeing what some morons think is a good system that is better than the one they're fleeing to.
Proof? :lol:

She didn’t say a word about EWU athletics funding either. She doesn’t care!!!
I thought hyperbole was expected here? ;)

It certainly shows the hypocrisy of the Dems when it comes to immigration.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:26 am
kalm wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:06 am

Proof? :lol:

She didn’t say a word about EWU athletics funding either. She doesn’t care!!!
I thought hyperbole was expected here? ;)

It certainly shows the hypocrisy of the Dems when it comes to immigration.
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Well what about this?
Well what about that?
Quick look at this over here!
What about this one too?
Here's something totally off subject, but thats unfair don't you think?

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Baldy wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:43 am
Homeland Security chief says U.S. will not give refuge to those fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat

People fleeing Cuba and Haiti by boat will not be allowed to enter the U.S., even if they demonstrate fear of being persecuted or tortured in their home countries, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas warned on Tuesday.

"Allow me to be clear: if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States," Mayorkas said, highlighting the dangers of traversing the Caribbean Sea and the Florida Straits by boat.

Mayorkas, a Cuban immigrant who fled the island with his family in 1960, issued his stern warning in the wake of seismic political events that have rocked Cuba and Haiti in recent days.

In Cuba, large-scale protests erupted over the weekend, forming one of the biggest public demonstrations of dissent faced by the island's communist government. Meanwhile, in Haiti, the brazen assassination of President Jovenel Moise has thrown the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere into further political upheaval.
Not one single peep about this from the Donks...no AOC...nothing but crickets. Why? :?

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Because Cubans are an easy vote for R's, the recent vids of the Commie crackdown on that island explain why.
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kalm wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:05 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:26 am

I thought hyperbole was expected here? ;)

It certainly shows the hypocrisy of the Dems when it comes to immigration.
Somalians are really suffering. No words yet from the Libertarians!

:)
Cubans are really suffering. No words yet from Bernie, AOChe and the other Socialists!
North Koreans are really suffering. No words yet from Bernie, AOChe and the other Socialists!
Venezuelans are really suffering. No words yet from Bernie, AOChe and the other Socialists!
Myanmarians are really suffering. No words yet from Bernie, AOChe and the other Socialists!
and on and on and on and on ....

:coffee: :D
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andy7171 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:11 am Well what about this?
Well what about that?
Quick look at this over here!
What about this one too?
Here's something totally off subject, but thats unfair don't you think?

The kalmy guide to riding the fence on everything.
But Ivy says that I'm the fence-sitter (and ball sack splitter).

Does Kalm owe me royalties or are those a vestige of toxic, privileged capitalism?
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andy7171 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:11 am Well what about this?
Well what about that?
Quick look at this over here!
What about this one too?
Here's something totally off subject, but thats unfair don't you think?

The kalmy guide to riding the fence on everything.
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andy7171 wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:11 am Well what about this?
Well what about that?
Quick look at this over here!
What about this one too?
Here's something totally off subject, but thats unfair don't you think?

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