Miami Apartment Building Collapse

[CID1990]

That site is probably starting to smell like DOA now


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[Pwns]

I keep thinking of the Sampoong Department Store collapse...lots of people missing for a while, few made it out, though one woman famously survived under rubble for weeks.

[BDKJMU]

Official death toll at 9 as of this morning. Still 150+ missing.
I‘m thinkibg the death toll could hit over 150.

[CID1990]

Official death toll at 9 as of this morning. Still 150+ missing.
I‘m thinkibg the death toll could hit over 150.

Yeah there were at least a few mistresses in there


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[BDKJMU]

Shocker.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/developer ... officials/

[BDKJMU]

An engineer warned in October 2018 that he had discovered “major structural damage” to a concrete slab below the pool deck in the section of the Champlain Towers South condominium building that collapsed Thursday, killing at least four and leaving scores trapped, according to records released by local authorities late Friday.

The engineer, Frank P. Morabito, said in a structural survey report that waterproofing below the pool deck and entrance drive had failed, allowing damaging leaks.

“Failure to replace the waterproofing in the near future will cause the extent of the concrete deterioration to expand exponentially,” Morabito wrote. He said a “major error” had been made in the construction of the building when waterproofing was laid on a flat slab rather than on a sloped surface to allow water to run off.

His firm, Morabito Consultants, said in a statement Saturday that the damage he found “required repairs to ensure the safety of residents and the public” but that the repairs had not been started when the collapse occurred….

….Morabito said in his inspection report that he also found “abundant cracking” and deterioration in the concrete columns, beams and walls supporting the parking garage under the pool deck, along with damaged and exposed rebar..

The report said that the necessary repair work, which would be aimed at “maintaining the structural integrity” of the building, would be “extremely expensive” and would create significant disruption for residents.

According to the consulting firm’s statement, after the firm gave the condominium association an estimate of costs for the repairs, about 18 months elapsed before the association hired the firm to prepare detailed repair plans. An 84-page draft of the plans from April this year also was released by Surfside.

Previous repairs to the slab supporting the pool above the garage, including the patching of cracks, had been done “less than satisfactorily” and needed to be completed again, according to Morabito’s inspection report.

Other problems detailed in the report included “significant cracking” in the stucco facade of the building, flooding in some apartments because of failed seals on doors and windows, and damaged balconies.…

…. A separate inspection report on the building by Morabito, completed around the same time as the structural survey report, was also released by the town of Surfside, along with a note that said: “This report was not formally submitted or authorized by the property owner Champlain Towers South Condominium Association, Inc., as required by Section 8-11(f)(iv) of the Miami-Dade County Code.”

It is unclear why Morabito did not submit the 2018 report to the city until 5:35 p.m. Thursday, after the collapse. Morabito did not return calls, and his firm’s statement did not directly address the issue. Neither the town nor condo association responded to requests for clarification.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

So close to 3 yrs and nothing was done…and now no-one involved wants to say anything..

[∞∞∞]

...I'd bet almost anything there were warnings of a failure that were either missed, misunderstood, or ignored. Even if a sinkhole was forming, signs would have developed ahead of time.

So I guess emerging evidence is beginning to point to "ignored."

[Ibanez]

Shocker.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/developer ... officials/

Are you telling me that Real Estate developers bribe officials!?!!

[Ibanez]

lol. The mayor already blamed rising sea levels.

A veritable King Canute!

"...how worthless is the power of Kings."

Great story of how we are all at the whims of God and nature.

[∞∞∞]

Shocker.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/27/developer ... officials/

Are you telling me that Real Estate developers bribe officials!?!!

I think you'd be...not shocked... how in some jurisdictions *cough*most of Florida*cough* you don't need to have a technical background (architect, engineering, etc.) to become a code reviewer or inspector. I've had some pretty asinine conversations with "officials" who have codes memorized because that's what it takes to get certified, but don't really have a meaningful understanding how to interpret them correctly. No idea if that's the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's kinda amazing that we have fairly strict engineering and construction standards nationwide, but code enforcement and review can vary so much based on local jurisdictions. One of my ex-coworkers went from an Interior Designer to a code official somewhere in Maryland.

[AZGrizFan]

Are you telling me that Real Estate developers bribe officials!?!!

I think you'd be...not shocked... how in some jurisdictions *cough*most of Florida*cough* you don't need to have a technical background (architect, engineering, etc.) to become a code reviewer or inspector. I've had some pretty asinine conversations with "officials" who have codes memorized because that's what it takes to get certified, but don't really have a meaningful understanding how to interpret them correctly. No idea if that's the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's kinda amazing that we have fairly strict engineering and construction standards nationwide, but code enforcement and review can vary so much based on local jurisdictions. One of my ex-coworkers went from an Interior Designer to a code official somewhere in Maryland.

And in NYC, if you ain’t mob, you ain’t getting the job.

[Ibanez]

Are you telling me that Real Estate developers bribe officials!?!!

I think you'd be...not shocked... how in some jurisdictions *cough*most of Florida*cough* you don't need to have a technical background (architect, engineering, etc.) to become a code reviewer or inspector. I've had some pretty asinine conversations with "officials" who have codes memorized because that's what it takes to get certified, but don't really have a meaningful understanding how to interpret them correctly. No idea if that's the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's kinda amazing that we have fairly strict engineering and construction standards nationwide, but code enforcement and review can vary so much based on local jurisdictions. One of my ex-coworkers went from an Interior Designer to a code official somewhere in Maryland.

SC requires passing of a test.


But if your barber wants to shave with a straight blade, you need to apprentice for 2 years.

[Ibanez]

I think you'd be...not shocked... how in some jurisdictions *cough*most of Florida*cough* you don't need to have a technical background (architect, engineering, etc.) to become a code reviewer or inspector. I've had some pretty asinine conversations with "officials" who have codes memorized because that's what it takes to get certified, but don't really have a meaningful understanding how to interpret them correctly. No idea if that's the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's kinda amazing that we have fairly strict engineering and construction standards nationwide, but code enforcement and review can vary so much based on local jurisdictions. One of my ex-coworkers went from an Interior Designer to a code official somewhere in Maryland.

And in NYC, if you ain’t mob, you ain’t getting the job.

Exactly...hey wait a minute! You have to pay to play...




Wait a tic....are you suggesting that President Trump has mob ties?

[∞∞∞]

I think you'd be...not shocked... how in some jurisdictions *cough*most of Florida*cough* you don't need to have a technical background (architect, engineering, etc.) to become a code reviewer or inspector. I've had some pretty asinine conversations with "officials" who have codes memorized because that's what it takes to get certified, but don't really have a meaningful understanding how to interpret them correctly. No idea if that's the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's kinda amazing that we have fairly strict engineering and construction standards nationwide, but code enforcement and review can vary so much based on local jurisdictions. One of my ex-coworkers went from an Interior Designer to a code official somewhere in Maryland.

And in NYC, if you ain’t mob, you ain’t getting the job.

From experience, while New York (at least NYC) has a larger bureaucratic machine, their officials are generally on top of things and more educated compared to the jurisdictions I've worked with in Florida (FL is the third most state I've done work in, behind my area and New York). They get back to you quicker, know their stuff better, and are not afraid to shut things down for even minor safety issues.

I think the fact that you hear about more corruption in NYC and large metro regions is that it's actually caught and prosecuted instead of ignored. Fact is there's corruption everywhere, but I trust large bureaucratic machines to catch and prevent corruption/cheating more than places where there's less government and small towns where everyone knows each other.

[Ibanez]

And in NYC, if you ain’t mob, you ain’t getting the job.

From experience, while New York (at least NYC) has a larger bureaucratic machine, their officials are generally on top of things and more educated compared to the jurisdictions I've worked with in Florida (FL is the third most state I've done work in, behind my area and New York).

I think the fact that you hear about more corruption in NYC and large metro regions is that it's actually caught and prosecuted instead of ignored. Fact is there's corruption everywhere, but I trust large bureaucratic machines to catch corruption/cheating more than places where there's less government and small towns where everyone knows everyone.

Not in the 70s and 80s. You couldn't build, renovated, demo w/o the Mob.

Organized crime controls 75 percent of the construction industry in New York City through its control over the concrete industry and construction unions, an admitted mob captain told Senators today.

Vincent (Fish) Cafaro, a former captain in the Genovese organized-crime family in New York, told the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations that the Mafia rigged contracting bids in the city by demanding a 2 percent kickback from winning bidders and their unions.

''Legitimate guys ain't got a chance,'' he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/30/nyre ... icted.html

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I mean we're 40-50 years out from the 70s and 80s, but NYC's rich history is remarkable to read about... leading up to the financial crisis and it's recovery afterwards.

[Ibanez]

I mean we're 40-50 years out from the 70s and 80s, but NYC's rich history is remarkable to read about... leading up to the financial crisis and it's recovery afterwards.

Those buildings are still standing and some of the people behind them are still around...

[Baldy]

I think you'd be...not shocked... how in some jurisdictions *cough*most of Florida*cough* you don't need to have a technical background (architect, engineering, etc.) to become a code reviewer or inspector. I've had some pretty asinine conversations with "officials" who have codes memorized because that's what it takes to get certified, but don't really have a meaningful understanding how to interpret them correctly. No idea if that's the case here, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's kinda amazing that we have fairly strict engineering and construction standards nationwide, but code enforcement and review can vary so much based on local jurisdictions. One of my ex-coworkers went from an Interior Designer to a code official somewhere in Maryland.

SC requires passing of a test.


But if your barber wants to shave with a straight blade, you need to apprentice for 2 years.

Maybe SC needs to license building inspectors?

[UNI88]

I mean we're 40-50 years out from the 70s and 80s, but NYC's rich history is remarkable to read about... leading up to the financial crisis and it's recovery afterwards.

Those buildings are still standing and some of the people behind them are still around...

Including the guy who lost the 2020 presidential election.


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[SDHornet]

You know it's coming. Have they started blaming DeSantis yet? Climate Change???

Saw a couple tweets but it was quickly debunked. DeSantis signed emergency bill an hour after the local gov signed theirs. I think the leftist narrative was pinning a too slow of a reaction on DeSantis as to why FEMA took too long to get there...


...of course once it was pointed out that FEMA doesn't serve a first responder role that narrative quickly imploded. Go figure.

[CID1990]

You know it's coming. Have they started blaming DeSantis yet? Climate Change???

Saw a couple tweets but it was quickly debunked. DeSantis signed emergency bill an hour after the local gov signed theirs. I think the leftist narrative was pinning a too slow of a reaction on DeSantis as to why FEMA took too long to get there...


...of course once it was pointed out that FEMA doesn't serve a first responder role that narrative quickly imploded. Go figure.

The left and their media lapdogs fear DeSantis.

They see the writing on the wall and it isn’t pretty


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[AZGrizFan]

Saw a couple tweets but it was quickly debunked. DeSantis signed emergency bill an hour after the local gov signed theirs. I think the leftist narrative was pinning a too slow of a reaction on DeSantis as to why FEMA took too long to get there...


...of course once it was pointed out that FEMA doesn't serve a first responder role that narrative quickly imploded. Go figure.

The left and their media lapdogs fear DeSantis.

They see the writing on the wall and it isn’t pretty


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[89Hen]

Thank God the local governments and Biden wants to build more high rises.

[CAA Flagship]

Thank God the local governments and Biden wants to build more high rises.

a.k.a. "projects"

[kalm]

Thank God the local governments and Biden wants to build more high rises.

a.k.a. "projects"

What’s the alternative?