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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 am
Baldy wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:28 am
Are all the fancy charts and graphs proving just how wrong you are too difficult to understand?
Your graphs don't mention anything about the DOE budget being about 10% of the DOD budget. Speaking of graphs showing just how wrong you are. :coffee:


Baldy :ohno:
Is our funding of the educational system in America done primarily or exclusively through the federal department??? :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:23 am
Baldy wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:42 am
Only a confirmed dumbass would think the US "starves" education in favor of military spending. :roll:

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You're seriously offering that gibberish as some sort of proof.......of something? Where's the graph that shows the budget for the DOE is about 10% of the DOD budget? :coffee:
Baldy :ohno:
Comparing the DOE budget to the DOD budget is only something someone clueless about education spending, such as yourself, would suggest :lol: . Newsflash, most education spending is at the local and state level.

Frankly, the graph for the DOE should be 0% of the budget of the DOD, as education is a local and state matter, not a federal one.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:45 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 am

Your graphs don't mention anything about the DOE budget being about 10% of the DOD budget. Speaking of graphs showing just how wrong you are. :coffee:


Baldy :ohno:
Is our funding of the educational system in America done primarily or exclusively through the federal department??? :coffee:
That’s too difficult for him to grasp…
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:46 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 am

Your graphs don't mention anything about the DOE budget being about 10% of the DOD budget. Speaking of graphs showing just how wrong you are. :coffee:


Baldy :ohno:
And again, WHY is our DOD budget so bloated? :coffee: :coffee:
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Because the DoD budget is a jobs bill. The DoD is the nations largest employer. It's easy money to millions of people and hundreds of companies. The DOD budget is so bloated b/c even though we don't need tanks, we're still building them (Jobs Bill). The DoD Budget is so bloated that even though we have the F/35...each branch gets its own variant instead of a plane that pretty much does the same exact thing
Spoiler: show
(before someone brings it up - I get that there are different applications / jobs required of each branch. It doesn't excuse the fact that every branch wants it's own personalized plane so it feels special.)
It's so bloated b/c Politicians who vote against the DoD are 'Un-American" and aren't about to put themselves in a position to be seen as weak on defense / security. It's because there's a revolving door between the private sector and the Gov't.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:45 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 am

Your graphs don't mention anything about the DOE budget being about 10% of the DOD budget. Speaking of graphs showing just how wrong you are. :coffee:


Baldy :ohno:
Is our funding of the educational system in America done primarily or exclusively through the federal department??? :coffee:
I think this proposal is worth a read and some consideration. Nothing is perfect but it's an interesting idea....
https://reason.org/policy-brief/student ... icymakers/
To address these problems, states should move away from antiquated education funding models by adopting student-centered funding, which has several key advantages.
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:28 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:46 am

And again, WHY is our DOD budget so bloated? :coffee: :coffee:
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Because the DoD budget is a jobs bill. The DoD is the nations largest employer. It's easy money to millions of people and hundreds of companies. The DOD budget is so bloated b/c even though we don't need tanks, we're still building them (Jobs Bill). The DoD Budget is so bloated that even though we have the F/35...each branch gets its own variant instead of a plane that pretty much does the same exact thing
Spoiler: show
(before someone brings it up - I get that there are different applications / jobs required of each branch. It doesn't excuse the fact that every branch wants it's own personalized plane so it feels special.)
It's so bloated b/c Politicians who vote against the DoD are 'Un-American" and aren't about to put themselves in a position to be seen as weak on defense / security. It's because there's a revolving door between the private sector and the Gov't.
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Re: Bullish or Bearish on America?

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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:28 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:46 am

And again, WHY is our DOD budget so bloated? :coffee: :coffee:
OOH! OOH! MR. AZ!!! OOH! OOH! I KNOW THE ANSWER!!!!

Because the DoD budget is a jobs bill. The DoD is the nations largest employer. It's easy money to millions of people and hundreds of companies. The DOD budget is so bloated b/c even though we don't need tanks, we're still building them (Jobs Bill). The DoD Budget is so bloated that even though we have the F/35...each branch gets its own variant instead of a plane that pretty much does the same exact thing
Spoiler: show
(before someone brings it up - I get that there are different applications / jobs required of each branch. It doesn't excuse the fact that every branch wants it's own personalized plane so it feels special.)
It's so bloated b/c Politicians who vote against the DoD are 'Un-American" and aren't about to put themselves in a position to be seen as weak on defense / security. It's because there's a revolving door between the private sector and the Gov't.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:20 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:28 am
OOH! OOH! MR. AZ!!! OOH! OOH! I KNOW THE ANSWER!!!!

Because the DoD budget is a jobs bill. The DoD is the nations largest employer. It's easy money to millions of people and hundreds of companies. The DOD budget is so bloated b/c even though we don't need tanks, we're still building them (Jobs Bill). The DoD Budget is so bloated that even though we have the F/35...each branch gets its own variant instead of a plane that pretty much does the same exact thing
Spoiler: show
(before someone brings it up - I get that there are different applications / jobs required of each branch. It doesn't excuse the fact that every branch wants it's own personalized plane so it feels special.)
It's so bloated b/c Politicians who vote against the DoD are 'Un-American" and aren't about to put themselves in a position to be seen as weak on defense / security. It's because there's a revolving door between the private sector and the Gov't.
Half the answer. Half credit.
:lol: What half did I forget to mention - us being the the worlds Policeman?
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:22 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:20 am

Half the answer. Half credit.
:lol: What half did I forget to mention - us being the the worlds Policeman?
:tothehand: Too late. You've already turned in the test. :coffee: :coffee:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:22 am
:lol: What half did I forget to mention - us being the the worlds Policeman?
:tothehand: Too late. You've already turned in the test. :coffee: :coffee:
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:32 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 am

:tothehand: Too late. You've already turned in the test. :coffee: :coffee:
Don't start your car tonight, AZ. :D
Don't worry. I have a driver. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:53 am
Skjellyfetti wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:42 am It sounds like you're judging people on the Left based on their group identity and not valuing or respecting who they are as an individual.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:54 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:45 pm

Is our funding of the educational system in America done primarily or exclusively through the federal department??? :coffee:
I think this proposal is worth a read and some consideration. Nothing is perfect but it's an interesting idea....
https://reason.org/policy-brief/student ... icymakers/
To address these problems, states should move away from antiquated education funding models by adopting student-centered funding, which has several key advantages.
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Isn't that basically the school choice model on a large scale? Dollars follow the student whichever school they choose? I'm not convinced that school choice like that, on a large scale, would be much better than what we have now.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:53 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:54 am
I think this proposal is worth a read and some consideration. Nothing is perfect but it's an interesting idea....
https://reason.org/policy-brief/student ... icymakers/


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Isn't that basically the school choice model on a large scale? Dollars follow the student whichever school they choose? I'm not convinced that school choice like that, on a large scale, would be much better than what we have now.
It is similiar. Like I said - not perfect but we can take what is working in some large and small states and customize it for SC or PA.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:57 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:53 am

Isn't that basically the school choice model on a large scale? Dollars follow the student whichever school they choose? I'm not convinced that school choice like that, on a large scale, would be much better than what we have now.
It is similiar. Like I said - not perfect but we can take what is working in some large and small states and customize it for SC or PA.
I just wonder how you avoid the stratification of schools then - you're going to have the magnet schools be fantastic, and the rest of the schools are going to suffer. Best students and best teachers will gravitate towards the magnets. Maybe we need to be there and maybe this is the shift in education that's more like the rest of the world (test kids at or during high school, the best move on, the rest figure out something else to do), and maybe we need to rethink what is the value of college anyway (many jobs requiring a college education today really don't require a college education), but these are all pretty heady questions.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:54 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:45 pm

Is our funding of the educational system in America done primarily or exclusively through the federal department??? :coffee:
I think this proposal is worth a read and some consideration. Nothing is perfect but it's an interesting idea....
https://reason.org/policy-brief/student ... icymakers/
To address these problems, states should move away from antiquated education funding models by adopting student-centered funding, which has several key advantages.
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Iowa already has funding based on enrollment and property wealth makes no difference. A property poor district gets the same dollars per student as a property rich district. This year the legislature gave some additional options to parents in shitty districts.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:50 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:54 am
I think this proposal is worth a read and some consideration. Nothing is perfect but it's an interesting idea....
https://reason.org/policy-brief/student ... icymakers/


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Iowa already has funding based on enrollment and property wealth makes no difference. A property poor district gets the same dollars per student as a property rich district. This year the legislature gave some additional options to parents in shitty districts.
same way AZ does it.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:50 am
Ibanez wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:54 am
I think this proposal is worth a read and some consideration. Nothing is perfect but it's an interesting idea....
https://reason.org/policy-brief/student ... icymakers/


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Iowa already has funding based on enrollment and property wealth makes no difference. A property poor district gets the same dollars per student as a property rich district. This year the legislature gave some additional options to parents in shitty districts.
This is the way.
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SDHornet wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:16 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:50 am

Iowa already has funding based on enrollment and property wealth makes no difference. A property poor district gets the same dollars per student as a property rich district. This year the legislature gave some additional options to parents in shitty districts.
This is the way.
How do teacher contracts work in those instances? Do teachers state-wide get the same contract or are they contracted by the district?

How are parent groups (like the PTA or Home and School groups) handled? At least where I live those are independent sources of funding and obviously richer places tend to get more of it.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:44 pm
SDHornet wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:16 pm

This is the way.
How do teacher contracts work in those instances? Do teachers state-wide get the same contract or are they contracted by the district?

How are parent groups (like the PTA or Home and School groups) handled? At least where I live those are independent sources of funding and obviously richer places tend to get more of it.
All teacher contracts are negotiated by each individual school district. So a school with a higher enrollment generally can afford to pay more because fixed/administrative costs can be spread over more kids which frees up dollars to pay teachers more. Money from PTA type groups is miscellaneous income that can go for extras but I don't know of any school district in the state that is getting massive amounts of money for things like operations. Most fundraising dollars go for athletics.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:01 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:44 pm

How do teacher contracts work in those instances? Do teachers state-wide get the same contract or are they contracted by the district?

How are parent groups (like the PTA or Home and School groups) handled? At least where I live those are independent sources of funding and obviously richer places tend to get more of it.
All teacher contracts are negotiated by each individual school district. So a school with a higher enrollment generally can afford to pay more because fixed/administrative costs can be spread over more kids which frees up dollars to pay teachers more. Money from PTA type groups is miscellaneous income that can go for extras but I don't know of any school district in the state that is getting massive amounts of money for things like operations. Most fundraising dollars go for athletics.
Seems straight forward. Negotiations on a District by District would seem to benefit all involved.



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SDHornet wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:38 pm
HI54UNI wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:01 pm

All teacher contracts are negotiated by each individual school district. So a school with a higher enrollment generally can afford to pay more because fixed/administrative costs can be spread over more kids which frees up dollars to pay teachers more. Money from PTA type groups is miscellaneous income that can go for extras but I don't know of any school district in the state that is getting massive amounts of money for things like operations. Most fundraising dollars go for athletics.
Seems straight forward. Negotiations on a District by District would seem to benefit all involved.



On a somewhat related note:
Hey SD, It hasn't been said yet but quoting a "tweet" isn't a legitimate source and a laughable way to make a point. You do it like it's proof of something. If you want to make a point, use a legitimate source so we can check the validity of the information. Otherwise, it's just repeating what someone else said.
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bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:48 pm
SDHornet wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:38 pm

Seems straight forward. Negotiations on a District by District would seem to benefit all involved.



On a somewhat related note:
Hey SD, It hasn't been said yet but quoting a "tweet" isn't a legitimate source and a laughable way to make a point. You do it like it's proof of something. If you want to make a point, use a legitimate source so we can check the validity of the information. Otherwise, it's just repeating what someone else said.
So, basically, just like the media. :lol: :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:53 pm
bobbythekidd wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:48 pm

Hey SD, It hasn't been said yet but quoting a "tweet" isn't a legitimate source and a laughable way to make a point. You do it like it's proof of something. If you want to make a point, use a legitimate source so we can check the validity of the information. Otherwise, it's just repeating what someone else said.
So, basically, just like much of the media. :lol: :lol:
FIFY.
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