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Re: Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:05 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:24 am

And it could be argued that the concept of "Palestine" was a creation of Britain and France (as part of the Sykes-Picot Agreement).
So they just decided to drop off the Jews on their doorstep. Then Churchill created the problem.
Again, it's not like this wasn't a problem before the British. There were a pretty sizeable number of Jews living in that area well before it become Britian's problem. And Arab countries bear some of the blame too - once Israel was created many surrounding Arab countries forcibly removed Jews from their countries and forced them to emigrate to Israel. Churchill didn't make them do that.
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kalm wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:16 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 11:27 am
It would if Israel did it right, but they will let everyone pressure them into being humanitarian. Even after they were attacked
What’s wrong with being humanitarian?
You do you, but if somebody attacks me like Hamas did to Israel I end it. There is no diplomacy or rules anymore. You made that clear when you attacked. I might even take out a family of 5 after the original attackers are dealt with to send a message so it wont happen again.
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Re: Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

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GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:33 am
dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:05 am
So they just decided to drop off the Jews on their doorstep. Then Churchill created the problem.
Again, it's not like this wasn't a problem before the British. There were a pretty sizeable number of Jews living in that area well before it become Britian's problem. And Arab countries bear some of the blame too - once Israel was created many surrounding Arab countries forcibly removed Jews from their countries and forced them to emigrate to Israel. Churchill didn't make them do that.
So why the exodus to HITLERVILLE.
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Re: Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

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Bobcat wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:32 am
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:16 pm

What’s wrong with being humanitarian?
You do you, but if somebody attacks me like Hamas did to Israel I end it. There is no diplomacy or rules anymore. You made that clear when you attacked. I might even take out a family of 5 after the original attackers are dealt with to send a message so it wont happen again.
Israel attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is a obvious lie.
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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:09 pm
GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:33 am

Again, it's not like this wasn't a problem before the British. There were a pretty sizeable number of Jews living in that area well before it become Britian's problem. And Arab countries bear some of the blame too - once Israel was created many surrounding Arab countries forcibly removed Jews from their countries and forced them to emigrate to Israel. Churchill didn't make them do that.
So why the exodus to HITLERVILLE.
I don't understand what this post means. Care to elucidate? :coffee:
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Re: Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:10 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:32 am
You do you, but if somebody attacks me like Hamas did to Israel I end it. There is no diplomacy or rules anymore. You made that clear when you attacked. I might even take out a family of 5 after the original attackers are dealt with to send a message so it wont happen again.
Israel attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is a obvious lie.
That is the perception in some circles. The perception in other circles is that "Hamas attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is an obvious lie."

This isn't a simple they're in the wrong and they're in the right issue. Both sides have committed atrocities. Both sides have blood on their hands.
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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:10 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:32 am

You do you, but if somebody attacks me like Hamas did to Israel I end it. There is no diplomacy or rules anymore. You made that clear when you attacked. I might even take out a family of 5 after the original attackers are dealt with to send a message so it wont happen again.
Israel attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is a obvious lie.
Isn't Hamas, even after that massive attack across the border, even after taking at least 200 hostages and still holding on to them, launching rocket attacks daily into Israeli territory? It seems pretty clear that Israel is being attacked. Granted, Israel isn't a bunch of boy scouts and is far from innocent in all of this, but they are also far from being the only instigator as well.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:36 pm
dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:10 pm

Israel attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is a obvious lie.
Isn't Hamas, even after that massive attack across the border, even after taking at least 200 hostages and still holding on to them, launching rocket attacks daily into Israeli territory? It seems pretty clear that Israel is being attacked. Granted, Israel isn't a bunch of boy scouts and is far from innocent in all of this, but they are also far from being the only instigator as well.
Hamas is defending themselves.
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Re: Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:34 pm
dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:10 pm

Israel attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is a obvious lie.
That is the perception in some circles. The perception in other circles is that "Hamas attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is an obvious lie."

This isn't a simple they're in the wrong and they're in the right issue. Both sides have committed atrocities. Both sides have blood on their hands.
And Uncle Sam is sitting back and watching.
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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:41 pm
GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:36 pm
Isn't Hamas, even after that massive attack across the border, even after taking at least 200 hostages and still holding on to them, launching rocket attacks daily into Israeli territory? It seems pretty clear that Israel is being attacked. Granted, Israel isn't a bunch of boy scouts and is far from innocent in all of this, but they are also far from being the only instigator as well.
Hamas is defending themselves.
Hamas isn't defending themselves any more than Israel.

Kidnapping and killing women and children isn't defending yourself. Intentionally operating near schools, hospitals and mosques isn't defending yourself. Hamas intentionally puts the most innocent and/or vulnerable Palestinians at risk for PR purposes and to benefit Iran.

Hamas' attacks in early October had little to do with self defense and IMO were mostly an attempt to derail agreements between Israel and Arab nations started under the Abraham Accords.
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GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:36 pm Isn't Hamas, even after that massive attack across the border, even after taking at least 200 hostages and still holding on to them, launching rocket attacks daily into Israeli territory? It seems pretty clear that Israel is being attacked. Granted, Israel isn't a bunch of boy scouts and is far from innocent in all of this, but they are also far from being the only instigator as well.
Hamas is defending themselves.
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dal4018 wrote:Hamas is defending themselves.
I did Nazi this coming.


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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:12 pm
dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:41 pm Hamas is defending themselves.
Hamas isn't defending themselves any more than Israel.

Kidnapping and killing women and children isn't defending yourself. Intentionally operating near schools, hospitals and mosques isn't defending yourself. Hamas intentionally puts the most innocent and/or vulnerable Palestinians at risk for PR purposes and to benefit Iran.

Hamas' attacks in early October had little to do with self defense and IMO were mostly an attempt to derail agreements between Israel and Arab nations started under the Abraham Accords.
:nod:

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kalm wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:58 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:12 pm

Hamas isn't defending themselves any more than Israel.

Kidnapping and killing women and children isn't defending yourself. Intentionally operating near schools, hospitals and mosques isn't defending yourself. Hamas intentionally puts the most innocent and/or vulnerable Palestinians at risk for PR purposes and to benefit Iran.

Hamas' attacks in early October had little to do with self defense and IMO were mostly an attempt to derail agreements between Israel and Arab nations started under the Abraham Accords.
:nod:

Three of Hamas’s leaders are each worth over a billion $’s and live in Qatar.
This is always the common denominator of socialist and terrorist leaders
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Bobcat wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:32 am
kalm wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:16 pm

What’s wrong with being humanitarian?
You do you, but if somebody attacks me like Hamas did to Israel I end it. There is no diplomacy or rules anymore. You made that clear when you attacked. I might even take out a family of 5 after the original attackers are dealt with to send a message so it wont happen again.
That isn't the stupidest thing I've heard here - and probably won't be as long as we have BD and SG here - but it isn't far off. :ohno:

Just a little more bloodshed will solve this Thousands-of-years-old tribal feud. :roll:

It isn't going to end until they kill each other off and there is nothing anybody can do about that. In fact Israel is following your prescription, again, right now. How much you want to bet it wwon't be over when the bombing stops? Shit, if it weren't for the oil we'd have already sold both sides enough weaponry to eliminate each other.
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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:44 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:34 pm

That is the perception in some circles. The perception in other circles is that "Hamas attacks ppl all the time and nothing is done about them and they are looked upon as defending themselves which is an obvious lie."

This isn't a simple they're in the wrong and they're in the right issue. Both sides have committed atrocities. Both sides have blood on their hands.
And Uncle Sam is sitting back and watching.
we have a lot of business interest in the area
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:57 am
kalm wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 4:58 am

:nod:

Three of Hamas’s leaders are each worth over a billion $’s and live in Qatar.
This is always the common denominator of socialist and terrorist leaders
I guess.

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dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:41 pm
GannonFan wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:36 pm

Isn't Hamas, even after that massive attack across the border, even after taking at least 200 hostages and still holding on to them, launching rocket attacks daily into Israeli territory? It seems pretty clear that Israel is being attacked. Granted, Israel isn't a bunch of boy scouts and is far from innocent in all of this, but they are also far from being the only instigator as well.
Hamas is defending themselves.
Couldn't Hamas have just asked politely if they would consider turning down the music first?
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houndawg wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:31 am
dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:41 pm Hamas is defending themselves.
Couldn't Hamas have just asked politely if they would consider turning down the music first?
Since when has Israel been polite
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:12 pm
dal4018 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:41 pm Hamas is defending themselves.
Hamas isn't defending themselves any more than Israel.

Kidnapping and killing women and children isn't defending yourself. Intentionally operating near schools, hospitals and mosques isn't defending yourself. Hamas intentionally puts the most innocent and/or vulnerable Palestinians at risk for PR purposes and to benefit Iran.

Hamas' attacks in early October had little to do with self defense and IMO were mostly an attempt to derail agreements between Israel and Arab nations started under the Abraham Accords.
Western Media is in the pocket of Israel
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CID1990 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:23 pm
dal4018 wrote:Hamas is defending themselves.
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dal4018 wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 9:51 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:12 pm
Hamas isn't defending themselves any more than Israel.

Kidnapping and killing women and children isn't defending yourself. Intentionally operating near schools, hospitals and mosques isn't defending yourself. Hamas intentionally puts the most innocent and/or vulnerable Palestinians at risk for PR purposes and to benefit Iran.

Hamas' attacks in early October had little to do with self defense and IMO were mostly an attempt to derail agreements between Israel and Arab nations started under the Abraham Accords.
Western Media is in the pocket of Israel
Probably because they're controlled by the Rothschilds. Next, they'll be targeting Palestinian hospitals and schools with space lasers.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:48 am
dal4018 wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 9:51 am

Western Media is in the pocket of Israel
Probably because they're controlled by the Rothschilds. Next, they'll be targeting Palestinian hospitals and schools with space lasers.
In all seriousness there is obviously significant Jewish power in media which has to skew the reporting a bit. Not all of it as there are Jews opposed to how Israel is handling it too.

But combine that power with defense contractors and it’s no wonder…the Biden administrations stance.
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:48 am

Probably because they're controlled by the Rothschilds. Next, they'll be targeting Palestinian hospitals and schools with space lasers.
In all seriousness there is obviously significant Jewish power in media which has to skew the reporting a bit. Not all of it as there are Jews opposed to how Israel is handling it too.

But combine that power with defense contractors and it’s no wonder…the Biden administrations stance.
Power / influence doesn’t equal “in the pocket”.

The people who think the Palestinians are just defending themselves are just as deluded as the people who think Israel is just defending itself.
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kalm wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:34 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:48 am

Probably because they're controlled by the Rothschilds. Next, they'll be targeting Palestinian hospitals and schools with space lasers.
In all seriousness there is obviously significant Jewish power in media which has to skew the reporting a bit. Not all of it as there are Jews opposed to how Israel is handling it too.

But combine that power with defense contractors and it’s no wonder…the Biden administrations stance.
Harold Rosenthal talked about how the Jews control the media.
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