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More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:56 pm
by SuperHornet
AOC is calling the use of the term "surge" in relation to the border crisis the invocation of a "militaristic frame," and claims it's really nothing more than white supremacy.
So it's wrong to use the term there, but OK to use it in reference to the COVID crisis? Which is it, AOC?
Typical liberal hypocrisy....
https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-says-referri ... 49141.html
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:06 pm
by Ibanez
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:56 pm
AOC is calling the use of the term "surge" in relation to the border crisis the invocation of a "militaristic frame," and claims it's really nothing more than white supremacy.
So it's wrong to use the term there, but OK to use it in reference to the COVID crisis? Which is it, AOC?
Typical liberal hypocrisy....
https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-says-referri ... 49141.html
Is it hypocrisy, thought? Just sounds like another stupid complaint.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:53 pm
by UNI88
Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:06 pm
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:56 pm
AOC is calling the use of the term "surge" in relation to the border crisis the invocation of a "militaristic frame," and claims it's really nothing more than white supremacy.
So it's wrong to use the term there, but OK to use it in reference to the COVID crisis? Which is it, AOC?
Typical liberal hypocrisy....
https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-says-referri ... 49141.html
Is it hypocrisy, thought? Just sounds like another stupid complaint.
Now that Trump isn't in the White House and calling him a fascist isn't resonating, the ctrl-left needs another dog-whistle to respond to. Calling everything they disagree with "white supremacist" seems to be the hot fad.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:09 pm
by Ibanez
UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:53 pm
Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:06 pm
Is it hypocrisy, thought? Just sounds like another stupid complaint.
Now that Trump isn't in the White House and calling him a fascist isn't resonating, the ctrl-left needs another dog-whistle to respond to. Calling everything they disagree with "white supremacist" seems to be the hot fad.
It's always been their go-to.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:11 pm
by BDKJMU
For the left it started out with labeling everyone/thing they didn't agree with (ie most conservatives) NAZI and/or facist. Then they went to 'racist'. Then 'White Privileged'. Now its 'White Supremacist'. If you're on the right, and the far left hasn't called you a white privileged, facist, NAZI, racist, white supremacist yet, then you're probably not doing it right.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:47 pm
by JohnStOnge
I'm not sure I agree with her about the word "surge" being key but even if it is I don't think there's a hypocrisy thing there. It's possible to use surge in one context as a "dog whistle" in the sense she's referring to and use it in another context as simply a description of the situation.
As far as the racism thing goes: I do think there is a racial consciousness thing involved. I do think that the ethnicity of those trying to enter the United States from the South is a factor in some of the rather enthusiastic concern about it. Heck, I know my own brother openly says that concern over how Hispanics are likely to vote in the future if they and/or their children become citizens is a factor in his concern. He's a religious zealot who thinks most of them will vote for the Party of Satan.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:49 pm
by JohnStOnge
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:11 pm
For the left it started out with labeling everyone/thing they didn't agree with (ie most conservatives) NAZI and/or facist. Then they went to 'racist'. Then 'White Privileged'. Now its 'White Supremacist'. If you're on the right, and the far left hasn't called you a white privileged, facist, NAZI, racist, white supremacist yet, then you're probably not doing it right.
Is that kind of like the right labeling everyone they disagree with as things like "Communists" and "Socialists?"
Like selling people of Cuban descent in Florida before the 2020 election that voting for Biden would be like voting in the long term for something like Castro brought in. Pretty damned intellectually dishonest, don't you think?
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:09 pm
by UNI88
JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:49 pm
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:11 pm
For the left it started out with labeling everyone/thing they didn't agree with (ie most conservatives) NAZI and/or facist. Then they went to 'racist'. Then 'White Privileged'. Now its 'White Supremacist'. If you're on the right, and the far left hasn't called you a white privileged, facist, NAZI, racist, white supremacist yet, then you're probably not doing it right.
Is that kind of like the right labeling everyone they disagree with as things like "Communists" and "Socialists?"
Like selling people of Cuban descent in Florida before the 2020 election that voting for Biden would be like voting in the long term for something like Castro brought in. Pretty damned intellectually dishonest, don't you think?
Wow! Maybe you're starting to understand that it isn't just that right. That both sides of filled with intellectually dishonest hypocrites.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:45 am
by Ibanez
JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:49 pm
BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:11 pm
For the left it started out with labeling everyone/thing they didn't agree with (ie most conservatives) NAZI and/or facist. Then they went to 'racist'. Then 'White Privileged'. Now its 'White Supremacist'. If you're on the right, and the far left hasn't called you a white privileged, facist, NAZI, racist, white supremacist yet, then you're probably not doing it right.
Is that kind of like the right labeling everyone they disagree with as things like "Communists" and "Socialists?"
Like selling people of Cuban descent in Florida before the 2020 election that voting for Biden would be like voting in the long term for something like Castro brought in. Pretty damned intellectually dishonest, don't you think?
Exactly. It's bullshit and hypocrisy on both sides.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:47 am
by kalm
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:56 pm
AOC is calling the use of the term "surge" in relation to the border crisis the invocation of a "militaristic frame," and claims it's really nothing more than white supremacy.
So it's wrong to use the term there, but OK to use it in reference to the COVID crisis? Which is it, AOC?
Typical liberal hypocrisy....
https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-says-referri ... 49141.html
“Surge”? I’ll give her a surge...
A little hypersensitive in this case but the greater point of dehumanizing the other is indeed a hallmark of nationalism.
I’d like to think lumping all MAGA as white supremacist is similar.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:27 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:47 am
SuperHornet wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:56 pm
AOC is calling the use of the term "surge" in relation to the border crisis the invocation of a "militaristic frame," and claims it's really nothing more than white supremacy.
So it's wrong to use the term there, but OK to use it in reference to the COVID crisis? Which is it, AOC?
Typical liberal hypocrisy....
https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-says-referri ... 49141.html
“Surge”? I’ll give her a surge...
A little hypersensitive in this case but the greater point of dehumanizing the other is indeed a hallmark of nationalism.
I’d like to think lumping all MAGA as white supremacist is similar.
Or of considering all Christians intolerant bigots. Or is that a hallmark of internationalism?
What do you call a large increase in the number of illegal immigrants trying to enter the country (if that is what happened) without being militaristic, imperialistic or some other description that is considered evil by the ctrl-left?
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:37 am
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:27 am
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:47 am
“Surge”? I’ll give her a surge...
A little hypersensitive in this case but the greater point of dehumanizing the other is indeed a hallmark of nationalism.
I’d like to think lumping all MAGA as white supremacist is similar.
Or of considering all Christians intolerant bigots. Or is that a hallmark of internationalism?
What do you call a large increase in the number of illegal immigrants trying to enter the country (if that is what happened) without being militaristic, imperialistic or some other description that is considered evil by the ctrl-left?
1). Not all Christians are intolerant bigots. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all socialists are Stalins. I think you’re agreeing with me?
2). As noted, I’m ok with surge. An alternate might be “significant increase.”
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:06 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:37 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:27 am
Or of considering all Christians intolerant bigots. Or is that a hallmark of internationalism?
What do you call a large increase in the number of illegal immigrants trying to enter the country (if that is what happened) without being militaristic, imperialistic or some other description that is considered evil by the ctrl-left?
1). Not all Christians are intolerant bigots. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all socialists are Stalins. I think you’re agreeing with me?
2). As noted, I’m ok with surge. An alternate might be “significant increase.”
I am agreeing with you.
"Significant increase" sounds benign. Would AOChe and other ctrl-lefters be ok with any description that could be used to scare middle America? They have no problem using racist, white supremacist, fascist, Nazi, Hitler, etc. to describe Trump, MAGAts and conservative causes but they take exception to any terms they consider inflammatory toward their causes.
I was listening to Greeny on the way to work this morning and he said something along the lines of "the thrust of your argument is ..." and I asked myself - is it ok to use the word thrust? Couldn't it be argued that it connotates male privilege and rape? From there I moved on to wondering what other words might they want to "cancel".
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:23 am
by AZGrizFan
UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:06 am
kalm wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:37 am
1). Not all Christians are intolerant bigots. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Not all socialists are Stalins. I think you’re agreeing with me?
2). As noted, I’m ok with surge. An alternate might be “significant increase.”
I am agreeing with you.
"Significant increase" sounds benign. Would AOChe and other ctrl-lefters be ok with any description that could be used to scare middle America? They have no problem using racist, white supremacist, fascist, Nazi, Hitler, etc. to describe Trump, MAGAts and conservative causes but they take exception to any terms they consider inflammatory toward their causes.
I was listening to Greeny on the way to work this morning and he said something along the lines of "the thrust of your argument is ..." and I asked myself - is it ok to use the word thrust? Couldn't it be argued that it connotates male privilege and rape? From there I moved on to wondering what other words might they want to "cancel".
oh, the list is long and illustrious.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:31 am
by kalm
AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:23 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:06 am
I am agreeing with you.
"Significant increase" sounds benign. Would AOChe and other ctrl-lefters be ok with any description that could be used to scare middle America? They have no problem using racist, white supremacist, fascist, Nazi, Hitler, etc. to describe Trump, MAGAts and conservative causes but they take exception to any terms they consider inflammatory toward their causes.
I was listening to Greeny on the way to work this morning and he said something along the lines of "the thrust of your argument is ..." and I asked myself - is it ok to use the word thrust? Couldn't it be argued that it connotates male privilege and rape? From there I moved on to wondering what other words might they want to "cancel".
oh, the list is long and illustrious.
The “fuck your feelings” crowd is getting squeezed! Next on the list of banned language...
Consequence free environment.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:56 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:31 am
The “fuck your feelings” crowd is getting squeezed! Next on the list of banned language...
Consequence free environment.
We've banned books and demonized words? What's next? Large-scale burnings of offensive books? This time it will be ok because these books truly are offensive (thinks every book burner ever).
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:32 am
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:56 am
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:31 am
The “fuck your feelings” crowd is getting squeezed! Next on the list of banned language...
Consequence free environment.
We've banned books and demonized words? What's next? Large-scale burnings of offensive books? This time it will be ok because these books truly are offensive (thinks every book burner ever).
How many books have you banned? How many words have you demonized?
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:37 am
by SuperHornet
Not every Democrat is a Commie. But many national-level Democrats are, and the worst are Pelosi and Newsom. This thread is the first I've heard of the term "ctrl-left," but in THEIR case it certainly fits. They want a police state controlled by Democrats. Again, not every Democrat is like that, but THEY certainly are. And people wonder why we're trying to recall him. He's trying to insinuate that the entire thing is a Republican plot, and indeed much of the funding is coming from Republicans, but if he thinks that ALL of the petition signatures are Republican, he's already been proven wrong, as he has been through court decisions slapping his over-reaching hand on control over churches and schools....
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:32 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:56 am
We've banned books and demonized words? What's next? Large-scale burnings of offensive books? This time it will be ok because these books truly are offensive (thinks every book burner ever).
How many books have you banned? How many words have you demonized?
I'm not sure I've ever banned a book and the word that you could argue that I've demonized is retard. I don't like it and don't use it but I don't think I've ever stopped communicating with someone who did. I don't have an issue with an individual who refuses to buy or read a book or doesn't like a word. I do take issue with someone in a leadership position advocating for banning books and demonizing words. That is censorship and no true liberal should support censorship. What is the difference between banning Harry Potter or Dr. Seuss?
Why do we need to try and erase from our collective memory things that we find offensive. Wouldn't it be better to include Peppy Le Pew in Space Jam and use his boorish behavior to demonstrate to young women how to stand up to that type of behavior and to young men how not to behave? Why did Nike cancel the Betty Ross sneakers rather than saying we're taking it back, we're not going to let white supremacists hijack a symbol of our founders and a great woman. What would be worse for those white supremacists? Nike canceling the shoe or Nike selling them with a strong marketing message and African Americans wearing them?
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:43 am
by kalm
UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 am
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:32 am
How many books have you banned? How many words have you demonized?
I'm not sure I've ever banned a book and the word that you could argue that I've demonized is retard. I don't like it and don't use it but I don't think I've ever stopped communicating with someone who did. I don't have an issue with an individual who refuses to buy or read a book or doesn't like a word. I do take issue with someone in a leadership position advocating for banning books and demonizing words. That is censorship and no true liberal should support censorship. What is the difference between banning Harry Potter or Dr. Seuss?
Why do we need to try and erase from our collective memory things that we find offensive. Wouldn't it be better to include Peppy Le Pew in Space Jam and use his boorish behavior to demonstrate to young women how to stand up to that type of behavior and to young men how not to behave? Why did Nike cancel the Betty Ross sneakers rather than saying we're taking it back, we're not going to let white supremacists hijack a symbol of our founders and a great woman. What would be worse for those white supremacists? Nike canceling the shoe or Nike selling them with a strong marketing message and African Americans wearing them?
Oh good. I think we agree then. Phew!
I’m just not all that up in arms about private entities succumbing to changing culture.
Re: More Democratic Hypocrisy
Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:55 am
by UNI88
kalm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:43 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:12 am
I'm not sure I've ever banned a book and the word that you could argue that I've demonized is retard. I don't like it and don't use it but I don't think I've ever stopped communicating with someone who did. I don't have an issue with an individual who refuses to buy or read a book or doesn't like a word. I do take issue with someone in a leadership position advocating for banning books and demonizing words. That is censorship and no true liberal should support censorship. What is the difference between banning Harry Potter or Dr. Seuss?
Why do we need to try and erase from our collective memory things that we find offensive. Wouldn't it be better to include Peppy Le Pew in Space Jam and use his boorish behavior to demonstrate to young women how to stand up to that type of behavior and to young men how not to behave? Why did Nike cancel the Betty Ross sneakers rather than saying we're taking it back, we're not going to let white supremacists hijack a symbol of our founders and a great woman. What would be worse for those white supremacists? Nike canceling the shoe or Nike selling them with a strong marketing message and African Americans wearing them?
Oh good. I think we agree then. Phew!
I’m just not all that up in arms about private entities succumbing to changing culture.
I don't have a problem with MLB, Delta or Coke having a position. I wish the NBA and its most outspoken players would have the courage to do the same about China.
I am interested in knowing how the Georgia law is Jim Crow. I guess I need to read it but I've read enough legislation in my life and don't know if I'll read that one.