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‘Don’t Be Fooled’: Why Leading GOPers Are Taking Aim At Both Trump and DeSantis
Demanding his party “stop whispering” about their unease with Trump, Christie excoriated Trump for falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen, propelling a series of lackluster candidates last year and generally presiding over the decline of the GOP over the last half decade.
“If we continue down this road it’s a road that will lead us to another four years of Joe Biden,” Christie warned, repurposing Trump’s memorable vow that Republicans would become tired of winning on his watch to lament their “losing and losing and losing and losing.”
Yet what was even more revealing about Christie’s half-hour remarks, a recording of which I obtained, was the less direct but unmistakable and certainly not whispered criticism he leveled at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
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Not surprised. There are about 3, maybe 4 distinct camps in the Republican party right now with all about equal share.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:58 pm ‘Don’t Be Fooled’: Why Leading GOPers Are Taking Aim At Both Trump and DeSantis
Demanding his party “stop whispering” about their unease with Trump, Christie excoriated Trump for falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen, propelling a series of lackluster candidates last year and generally presiding over the decline of the GOP over the last half decade.
“If we continue down this road it’s a road that will lead us to another four years of Joe Biden,” Christie warned, repurposing Trump’s memorable vow that Republicans would become tired of winning on his watch to lament their “losing and losing and losing and losing.”
Yet what was even more revealing about Christie’s half-hour remarks, a recording of which I obtained, was the less direct but unmistakable and certainly not whispered criticism he leveled at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.
Still don't think Haley is truly serious about the primary and is angling for a VP role more than anything.
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Who are camps?Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:31 pmNot surprised. There are about 3, maybe 4 distinct camps in the Republican party right now with all about equal share.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:58 pm ‘Don’t Be Fooled’: Why Leading GOPers Are Taking Aim At Both Trump and DeSantis
Still don't think Haley is truly serious about the primary and is angling for a VP role more than anything.
MAGA
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Never Trumpers
Any others?
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Just came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:kalm wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:57 pmWho are camps?Winterborn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:31 pm
Not surprised. There are about 3, maybe 4 distinct camps in the Republican party right now with all about equal share.
Still don't think Haley is truly serious about the primary and is angling for a VP role more than anything.
MAGA
Well healed campaign donors
Never Trumpers
Any others?
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
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Solid break down, BDK.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:52 pmJust came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
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Thanks, Kalm. Over the last 3 days on here I have an agreement with 88, an agreement with Houndie, and now a kudos from you. Either hell is freezing over, or I need to check my conk card to see if its still intact..kalm wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:22 amSolid break down, BDK.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:52 pm
Just came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
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Very close to my list.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:52 pmJust came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
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As a libertarian, I wouldn't put them in the same tent(s) as fundies.Winterborn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:14 amVery close to my list.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:52 pm
Just came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
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As a whole, I would agree. But depends on the libertarian subset. Some of them are just as delusional as a Fundamentalist.
The Fundi tent is pretty big and hosts all sorts of groups. Many of the current political groups exhibit the same behavior and desired outcomes as the religious Fundamentalists. A belief theirs is the only true path forward and they know best, the rest of society can either join or be cast aside.
Both the hard core right and left fit the bill.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3 ... piac-poll/Trump widens lead in 2024 primary race: Quinnipiac poll
Former President Trump widened his lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to 14 points in a new Quinnipiac University poll of 15 current and potential candidates for the GOP presidential nomination.
The poll, released Wednesday, showed Trump in first with 46 percent support from Republicans and Republican-leaning voters, followed by DeSantis with 32 percent. That’s a notable increase in Trump’s lead from Quinnipiac’s poll last month that showed him leading DeSantis by 6 points, 42 percent to 36 percent.
In this month’s poll, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley came in third with 5 percent, and no other candidate surpassed 3 percent.
Trump also leads DeSantis by 11 points in a head-to-head match-up, 51 percent to 40 percent.
DeSantis has consistently been seen as the top potential challenger to Trump for the Republican nomination and has placed in at least second in most hypothetical primary polls. But the former president has maintained his position in first place in most polls too….
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Will this help Trump’s primary chances? It should certainly help with martyrdom and fundraising.
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"The unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes"
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The feds refused to even really pursue any charges about the Stormy Daniels case. It was a misdemeanor charge in New York, but the leftist Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, who refuses to pursue violent criminals, decided to elevate it to a felony charge. If Bragg undertakes this 100% political persecution, I’m going from leam Desantis to 100% Trump..
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Yeah......it's too quiet......sumpin' aint right....Z! You out there son...?
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BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:31 am
The feds refused to even really pursue any charges about the Stormy Daniels case. It was a misdemeanor charge in New York, but the leftist Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, who refuses to pursue violent criminals, decided to elevate it to a felony charge. If Bragg undertakes this 100% political persecution, I’m going from leam Desantis to 100% Trump..
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Even his lawyers are shaking their heads and asking, " WTF?" He's such a drama queen.
And I am absolutely loving the hypocrisy of him and his followers for talking shit about Ron DeSantis AND now asking him to step in against any arrest warrant. Anyone who follows that guy is an absolute brain dead moron...
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Paying someone to shut about an affair (which I am stil shocked that "Christians" are cool with) isn't illegal. It's not political persecution - Trump shouldn't have had shady business practices.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:31 am
The feds refused to even really pursue any charges about the Stormy Daniels case. It was a misdemeanor charge in New York, but the leftist Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, who refuses to pursue violent criminals, decided to elevate it to a felony charge. If Bragg undertakes this 100% political persecution, I’m going from leam Desantis to 100% Trump..
Honestly - the man takes no accountability for his actions, his companies' actions or those done in his name. How can anyone justify supporting anyone that acts that way? He's a petulant brat. And before you deflect with some Biden or Democrat - I would say the same to them. I know it's a lesser of two evils but today's politics and politicians isn't about what's best for the country. It's about winning at all costs - which is just terrible.
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That isn't a bad breakdown - though Never Trumpers doesn't really describe anyone's politics. It's just someone that doesn't like 1 Person.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:52 pmJust came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
You're right - there's overlap b/c there are people who claim to be Libertarians or even MAGA but then wildly support anti 1A legislation. It's a cluster fuck to be sure and it's equally as messed up on the Democratic side. One person who you would say is a never trumper would rank 1 on the fiscal conservative scale (Mark Sanford). You have "Never Trumpers" like Cheney that voted more times than not with Trump than sycophants like Jim "I Groom wrestlers" Jordan and Gaetz. It's truly something to see how both parties will throw someone under the bus when they have an opinion different than the rest of the pack.
I also think the RINO designation is some what personal b/c Republicanism to me apparently means something completely different to MAGA and Neo Cons. I honestly believe RINOs make up a vast majority of the GOP today. Though I readily identify that nobody is pure Republican or Democrat. It's evolved - they used to be the party of Big Government (and to some extent, they still are). One of the hallmarks of Republicanism was a hatred of the corruption in the Democratic Party...now the standard bearer is the poster child of a corrupt businessman. We're also seeing more and more advocate "Christian Shariah Law" and falsely claiming we're a Christian country (and ignoring that part of the Constitution) - which goes against what the founders they claim to revere and love.
We're living in an interesting time. Both parties, to me, are having an identity crisis.
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Good post. This is the problem with the two party system.Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 amThat isn't a bad breakdown - though Never Trumpers doesn't really describe anyone's politics. It's just someone that doesn't like 1 Person.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:52 pm
Just came up with this after thinking about it for awhile. Here‘s how I see it- 5 groups:
-MAGA (Merica 1st, populist, isolationist)
-Liberterian
-Fundies
-Neo Con (globalist, interventionist)
-RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers.
There’s overlap between the 5 groups, and people who fall within more than 1 group (but most no more than 2, none more than 3).
Ranking in terms of fiscal conservatism right to left:
1. Libertarian
2. MAGA
3. Fundies, Neo Con & RINOS/Mods/Never Trumpers kind of all tied.
Ranking in terms of social conservatism right to left:
1. Fundies
2. MAGA
3. Neo Con
4. RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers
5. Libertarians
If you had to put them into 2 tents:
Tent 1: MAGA, majority of fundies & libertarians
Tent 2: Neo Cons, RINOs/Moderates/Never Trumpers, some fundies & libertarians.
You're right - there's overlap b/c there are people who claim to be Libertarians or even MAGA but then wildly support anti 1A legislation. It's a cluster fuck to be sure and it's equally as messed up on the Democratic side. One person who you would say is a never trumper would rank 1 on the fiscal conservative scale (Mark Sanford). You have "Never Trumpers" like Cheney that voted more times than not with Trump than sycophants like Jim "I Groom wrestlers" Jordan and Gaetz. It's truly something to see how both parties will throw someone under the bus when they have an opinion different than the rest of the pack.
I also think the RINO designation is some what personal b/c Republicanism to me apparently means something completely different to MAGA and Neo Cons. I honestly believe RINOs make up a vast majority of the GOP today. Though I readily identify that nobody is pure Republican or Democrat. It's evolved - they used to be the party of Big Government (and to some extent, they still are). One of the hallmarks of Republicanism was a hatred of the corruption in the Democratic Party...now the standard bearer is the poster child of a corrupt businessman. We're also seeing more and more advocate "Christian Shariah Law" and falsely claiming we're a Christian country (and ignoring that part of the Constitution) - which goes against what the founders they claim to revere and love.
We're living in an interesting time. Both parties, to me, are having an identity crisis.
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I see echos of past discussions in that post.Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 am
That isn't a bad breakdown - though Never Trumpers doesn't really describe anyone's politics. It's just someone that doesn't like 1 Person.
You're right - there's overlap b/c there are people who claim to be Libertarians or even MAGA but then wildly support anti 1A legislation. It's a cluster fuck to be sure and it's equally as messed up on the Democratic side. One person who you would say is a never trumper would rank 1 on the fiscal conservative scale (Mark Sanford). You have "Never Trumpers" like Cheney that voted more times than not with Trump than sycophants like Jim "I Groom wrestlers" Jordan and Gaetz. It's truly something to see how both parties will throw someone under the bus when they have an opinion different than the rest of the pack.
I also think the RINO designation is some what personal b/c Republicanism to me apparently means something completely different to MAGA and Neo Cons. I honestly believe RINOs make up a vast majority of the GOP today. Though I readily identify that nobody is pure Republican or Democrat. It's evolved - they used to be the party of Big Government (and to some extent, they still are). One of the hallmarks of Republicanism was a hatred of the corruption in the Democratic Party...now the standard bearer is the poster child of a corrupt businessman. We're also seeing more and more advocate "Christian Shariah Law" and falsely claiming we're a Christian country (and ignoring that part of the Constitution) - which goes against what the founders they claim to revere and love.
We're living in an interesting time. Both parties, to me, are having an identity crisis.
Well said. Labels really do not mean much to me any more. I shake my head at the R's as much as the D's these days. They are useful for the low information voter but that is about it.
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X3Winterborn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:44 amI see echos of past discussions in that post.Ibanez wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 am
That isn't a bad breakdown - though Never Trumpers doesn't really describe anyone's politics. It's just someone that doesn't like 1 Person.
You're right - there's overlap b/c there are people who claim to be Libertarians or even MAGA but then wildly support anti 1A legislation. It's a cluster fuck to be sure and it's equally as messed up on the Democratic side. One person who you would say is a never trumper would rank 1 on the fiscal conservative scale (Mark Sanford). You have "Never Trumpers" like Cheney that voted more times than not with Trump than sycophants like Jim "I Groom wrestlers" Jordan and Gaetz. It's truly something to see how both parties will throw someone under the bus when they have an opinion different than the rest of the pack.
I also think the RINO designation is some what personal b/c Republicanism to me apparently means something completely different to MAGA and Neo Cons. I honestly believe RINOs make up a vast majority of the GOP today. Though I readily identify that nobody is pure Republican or Democrat. It's evolved - they used to be the party of Big Government (and to some extent, they still are). One of the hallmarks of Republicanism was a hatred of the corruption in the Democratic Party...now the standard bearer is the poster child of a corrupt businessman. We're also seeing more and more advocate "Christian Shariah Law" and falsely claiming we're a Christian country (and ignoring that part of the Constitution) - which goes against what the founders they claim to revere and love.
We're living in an interesting time. Both parties, to me, are having an identity crisis.
Well said. Labels really do not mean much to me any more. I shake my head at the R's as much as the D's these days. They are useful for the low information voter but that is about it.
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Desantis unloads on Soros Manhattan DA Bragg.
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