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GannonFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:17 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:16 am

Biden, Kamala and Hillary..who is the 4th? :suspicious:
I imagine Buttigieg.
Oh...those 4 are unelectable.
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Winterborn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:11 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 8:57 am
Why won't Youngkin have the experience in a couple of years? I would argue that 2 years as a governor is better experience then 10+ years as a Congresscritter.

I can't vote for DeSantis. He's shown himself to be a vindictive, thin-skinned little b!tch who is more concerned with scoring points then actual leadership. I also can't vote for any Trump or any of his minions either.

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Two years is not long enough in any leadership job to understand how everything works. A Governor is like a CEO and I would not take a 2 year CEO at a small firm and hire them for the same position at a Fortune 500 company.

I agree Governorship is better than any Congresscritter, but 2 years (for me) is not long enough for arguable one of the highest positions in our Government. He does have 25 years as Co-CEO for the Carlyle Group (revenue of about 2.9 Billion) which is respectable. My sweet spot would be two terms of Governor, so he has a bit of a track record to go off of. Right now, he is a bit unknown.

As for DeSantis, I can understand your position and agree with it. For me (I am going to pull a Kalm caveat here :D ) it depends on how the next two years shake out and if he distances himself from Trump or not. And for the record I do not think he or Trump like each other. He is just a more articulate version of Trump. :twocents:
I agree but Youngkin was also a CEO for 3 years before Gov.

The 5 years of exec leadership (3 years CEO/2 year Gov) trumps the 0 years exec leadership Obama had in 2008 (2 years Senator/8 years IL state senate).
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:10 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:50 am

Petty? I think DeSantis is petty and I'm tired of children in the White House. We need someone who doesn't lash out like an 8 or 80 y/o throwing a tantrum because they're not getting their way.

And you are correct about my vote.
He’s a politician. And he’s 10x more mature than anyone on the Donk side and certainly Trump.

Newsflash: Appeasement as a strategy does NOT. WORK. We’ve tried it long enough. DeSantis fights back…perhaps you see that as petty, I see it it’s standing your ground and not taking shit like we have and letting donks control the narrative for the past 13 years.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:14 am
Winterborn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:07 am
I do not disagree, but another 2 1/2 years of Biden/Dems continuing like they have been is going to change peoples perspective a bit I think. No matter what happens this fall, Biden (and thereby the Dems) are going to take the blame for inflation, high gas prices, etc. and the R's are going to run that message all the way to the fall of 2024. Granted the 25th amendment could be invoked for Biden or he steps down (don't see it as a realistic chance but it is possible) and the D's could pivot to a more moderate stance (also do not see this happening) so things could change, as 2 1/2 years is a long time in the political world. I also think the Dems will keep Biden under wraps as long as possible and bury his deteriorating condition until they absolutely can't anymore. This is either going to allow them to pretend all is well or spectacularly blow up in their face when he slips his handlers and does/says something stupid on camera that they can't explain away.

That said the only one that is some what interesting to me is DeSantis but that depends if sticks his course or not (if he does than probably not).
  • Sununu is not going to run
  • Haley is a strong possibility but I have voiced my thoughts on her here before
  • Youngkin does not have the experience
  • Cruz is an idiot and nobody really likes him but he will try just for the title of former presidential candidate
  • Scott is an outside possibility
  • Trump Jr. is not going to run and the only reason his name is on the list is his dad
  • Pence does not have the name nor pull
  • Trump strong possibility but the Dems would have to crater even further for him to win
  • Pompeo is a good chance to run but he will not make it out of the first round
Some of the above will throw their hat in the ring but the only people that have a serious shot are Trump, DeSantis, and Haley. Out of those three, I might go DeSantis but it depends on his actions in the next 2 1/2 years, but strong odds are I go third party again.
I disagree. Remember without the China Virus hitting in late winter 2020, in the fall of 2020 you have:
-Economy roaring.
-Biden would have to have had to come out of his basement to campaign.
-No mass mail in of ballots in almost all states, most for the 1st time.

Without Covid, Trump wins in a landslide. And even with Covid, without the MSM & big tech supressing the Hunter laptop story in Oct 20’ with the its Russian disinfo hoax, Trump wins (would have had to only flip roughly 40k votes in GA, WI, and AZ, a fraction of 1% for 269-269 EC tie, which Trump would have won in the House).

2024 Trump would beat
-Biden (who will be full blown dementia by then,
-Kamala (lol),
-Hillary (lol).

The donks can’t run Buttajudge (blacks won’t vote for a gay male).

So the donks don’t have to crater even further for Trump to win, but they have to come up with someone outside of the above 4 names.

But I hope Desantis runs. He’ll clean the clock of anyone that could win a dem primary.
So if Trump hadn't completely fvcked up the federal government response to Covid, he'd still be President? Very likely true.
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:14 am
Winterborn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 5:07 am

I do not disagree, but another 2 1/2 years of Biden/Dems continuing like they have been is going to change peoples perspective a bit I think. No matter what happens this fall, Biden (and thereby the Dems) are going to take the blame for inflation, high gas prices, etc. and the R's are going to run that message all the way to the fall of 2024. Granted the 25th amendment could be invoked for Biden or he steps down (don't see it as a realistic chance but it is possible) and the D's could pivot to a more moderate stance (also do not see this happening) so things could change, as 2 1/2 years is a long time in the political world. I also think the Dems will keep Biden under wraps as long as possible and bury his deteriorating condition until they absolutely can't anymore. This is either going to allow them to pretend all is well or spectacularly blow up in their face when he slips his handlers and does/says something stupid on camera that they can't explain away.

That said the only one that is some what interesting to me is DeSantis but that depends if sticks his course or not (if he does than probably not).
  • Sununu is not going to run
  • Haley is a strong possibility but I have voiced my thoughts on her here before
  • Youngkin does not have the experience
  • Cruz is an idiot and nobody really likes him but he will try just for the title of former presidential candidate
  • Scott is an outside possibility
  • Trump Jr. is not going to run and the only reason his name is on the list is his dad
  • Pence does not have the name nor pull
  • Trump strong possibility but the Dems would have to crater even further for him to win
  • Pompeo is a good chance to run but he will not make it out of the first round
Some of the above will throw their hat in the ring but the only people that have a serious shot are Trump, DeSantis, and Haley. Out of those three, I might go DeSantis but it depends on his actions in the next 2 1/2 years, but strong odds are I go third party again.
And while Biden has said he will run in 2024, I do not think he will be allowed to, nor will Harris. Hillary has a shot of coming back but I think it will be somebody else that hasn't really been heard from (maybe Michelle Obama).
I disagree. Remember without the China Virus hitting in late winter 2020, in the fall of 2020 you have:
-Economy roaring.
-Biden would have to have had to come out of his basement to campaign.
-No mass mail in of ballots in almost all states, most for the 1st time.

Without Covid, Trump wins in a landslide. And even with Covid, without the MSM & big tech supressing the Hunter laptop story in Oct 20’ with the its Russian disinfo hoax, Trump wins (would have had to only flip roughly 40k votes in GA, WI, and AZ, a fraction of 1% for 269-269 EC tie, which Trump would have won in the House).

2024 Trump would beat
-Biden (who will be full blown dementia by then,
-Kamala (lol),
-Hillary (lol).

The donks can’t run Buttajudge (blacks won’t vote for a gay male).

So the donks don’t have to crater even further for Trump to win, but they have to come up with someone outside of the above 4 names.

But I hope Desantis runs. He’ll clean the clock of anyone that could win a dem primary.
While I think Trump would have won, it would have been by the same margin that Biden won aka a close race. You should remember that the media was running full bore against anything Trump did. He could have bought 2-ply toilet paper and most of the media would have vilified him for not buying 1-py. And Biden would have ran the same campaign he ran due to the media covering up for him at every moment due to TDS.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:43 am
So if Trump hadn't completely fvcked up the federal government response to Covid, he'd still be President? Very likely true.
I do not blame that on Trump but the CDC. Trump was no angel but the CDC was being completely dishonest and so was the media during that time (and still are).

There are several factors besides COVID that lead to Trump loosing in 2020.
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Winterborn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:47 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:43 am
So if Trump hadn't completely fvcked up the federal government response to Covid, he'd still be President? Very likely true.
I do not blame that on Trump but the CDC. Trump was no angel but the CDC was being completely dishonest and so was the media during that time (and still are).

There are several factors besides COVID that lead to Trump loosing in 2020.
When you're in charge, and the President is in charge of everything in the Executive branch, then it is your fault ultimately when something in that branch doesn't work well. He was clearly not a very good crisis manager and that's one very big thing that worked against him come the election that year.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:50 am
Winterborn wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:47 am
I do not blame that on Trump but the CDC. Trump was no angel but the CDC was being completely dishonest and so was the media during that time (and still are).

There are several factors besides COVID that lead to Trump loosing in 2020.
When you're in charge, and the President is in charge of everything in the Executive branch, then it is your fault ultimately when something in that branch doesn't work well. He was clearly not a very good crisis manager and that's one very big thing that worked against him come the election that year.
This and Trump is a Good Time Charlie who wants to be liked and for everything to be good whether it is or not and that was reflected in his response.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:57 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:50 am

When you're in charge, and the President is in charge of everything in the Executive branch, then it is your fault ultimately when something in that branch doesn't work well. He was clearly not a very good crisis manager and that's one very big thing that worked against him come the election that year.
This and Trump is a Good Time Charlie who wants to be liked and for everything to be good whether it is or not and that was reflected in his response.
Both of these are true but my personal belief is that the media was on a crusade to sink him and he could be the second coming and they would have still painted him the way they did.

He also did himself no favors crises management/tweets. Like I mentioned earlier there were multiple things working together which is why I replied to BDK that it would not have been a landslide but a close race.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:43 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:14 am
I disagree. Remember without the China Virus hitting in late winter 2020, in the fall of 2020 you have:
-Economy roaring.
-Biden would have to have had to come out of his basement to campaign.
-No mass mail in of ballots in almost all states, most for the 1st time.

Without Covid, Trump wins in a landslide. And even with Covid, without the MSM & big tech supressing the Hunter laptop story in Oct 20’ with the its Russian disinfo hoax, Trump wins (would have had to only flip roughly 40k votes in GA, WI, and AZ, a fraction of 1% for 269-269 EC tie, which Trump would have won in the House).

2024 Trump would beat
-Biden (who will be full blown dementia by then,
-Kamala (lol),
-Hillary (lol).

The donks can’t run Buttajudge (blacks won’t vote for a gay male).

So the donks don’t have to crater even further for Trump to win, but they have to come up with someone outside of the above 4 names.

But I hope Desantis runs. He’ll clean the clock of anyone that could win a dem primary.
So if Trump hadn't completely fvcked up the federal government response to Covid, he'd still be President? Very likely true.
You know, you used to be better than this. You’re slipping.

Is that the same “federal government” that labeled him a racist for shutting down air travel from China at the end of January?
Or the same federal government that insisted he was overreacting and let Chinatown have their party and Mardi Gras go ahead as planned?
Or is it the same federal government who fought him at literally every turn (and not just about COVID, but literally everything he tried to do during his four years)?

There are so many instances like this in the early days that to say “Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” is just not factual and is a gross oversimplification of where we were at as a country and the events that actually did happen.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:10 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:50 am

Petty? I think DeSantis is petty and I'm tired of children in the White House. We need someone who doesn't lash out like an 8 or 80 y/o throwing a tantrum because they're not getting their way.

And you are correct about my vote.
He’s a politician. And he’s 10x more mature than anyone on the Donk side and certainly Trump.

Newsflash: Appeasement as a strategy does NOT. WORK. We’ve tried it long enough. DeSantis fights back…perhaps you see that as petty, I see it it’s standing your ground and not taking shit like we have and letting donks control the narrative for the past 13 years.
More importantly, DeSantis gets his legislation through. Something Trump struggled to do outside of Presidential fiat.

It's still early but I think it'll come down to DeSantis v Trump. I'm hoping Trump taps out with a "medical reasons" excuse but his ego won't allow it. Haley or Scott would be a good VP for box checking/optics purposes. Meh on everyone else on that list above.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:35 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:43 am

So if Trump hadn't completely fvcked up the federal government response to Covid, he'd still be President? Very likely true.
You know, you used to be better than this. You’re slipping.

Is that the same “federal government” that labeled him a racist for shutting down air travel from China at the end of January?
Or the same federal government that insisted he was overreacting and let Chinatown have their party and Mardi Gras go ahead as planned?
Or is it the same federal government who fought him at literally every turn (and not just about COVID, but literally everything he tried to do during his four years)?

There are so many instances like this in the early days that to say “Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” is just not factual and is a gross oversimplification of where we were at as a country and the events that actually did happen.
Don't forget the fake Russian Collusion (paging dumbass jelly :lol: ) the IC ran against him.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:35 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:43 am
So if Trump hadn't completely fvcked up the federal government response to Covid, he'd still be President? Very likely true.
You know, you used to be better than this. You’re slipping.

Is that the same “federal government” that labeled him a racist for shutting down air travel from China at the end of January?
Or the same federal government that insisted he was overreacting and let Chinatown have their party and Mardi Gras go ahead as planned?
Or is it the same federal government who fought him at literally every turn (and not just about COVID, but literally everything he tried to do during his four years)?

There are so many instances like this in the early days that to say “Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” is just not factual and is a gross oversimplification of where we were at as a country and the events that actually did happen.
“Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” might be an oversimplification but I do think it's true. He did some things well (encouraging companies to develop a vaccine, shutting down travel, etc.) but his administration screwed up others (managing the changing message). The federal government also missed a huge opportunity to help coordinate procurement of PPE. He was POTUS. No matter how hard he tried to avoid responsibility for anything negative, the buck stopped with him. We used to have grown-up leaders who could take responsibility but he took that declining characteristic to a new low.
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Ibanez wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:25 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 9:52 am

I don't disagree with that. What do the other candidates bring to the table? Put this together quickly so there could be errors:
  • Mike Pompeo - a couple years as a Congresscritter, cup of coffee as CIA Director then SecState
  • Chris Sununu - 8 years as governor of a small state
  • Glenn Youngkin - couple of years as governor of a larger state plus CEO experience
  • Ted Boobs Cruz - Congresscritter :oops:
  • Tim Scott - Congresscritter :oops:
  • Donald Trump Jr. - a lifetime of experience hanging on to his father's coattails
  • Mike Pence - 12 years as a Congresscritter, 4 years as governor of medium state, 4 years as VP
  • Nikki Haley - 6 years as governor of a medium state, couple of years as ambassador to the UN
  • Ron DeSantis 6 years as a Congresscritter, 4+ years as governor of large state
Tim Scott only has Congressional experience and it's only 10 years or so. But he's black and a Republican. That's some serious optics that could be used against the Dems.

Haley is a non-white, 1st generation American woman. That's a lot of boxes checked off to prove that the GOP is more than a party of old white men. Plus, she's still very popular in this state and popular with a lot of indy's and Democrats. She showed some independence and ablity to stand up to Trump and that's to her credit. Also, she wasn't really part of the Washington DC crowd given her role up in NYC.

Trump, Jr has as much chance to become POTUS as I have at becoming the starting forward for the Knicks.

DeSantis has a chance but he's proven himself to be Trump 2.0 and that isn't a complement.
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SDHornet wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:22 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:10 am

He’s a politician. And he’s 10x more mature than anyone on the Donk side and certainly Trump.

Newsflash: Appeasement as a strategy does NOT. WORK. We’ve tried it long enough. DeSantis fights back…perhaps you see that as petty, I see it it’s standing your ground and not taking shit like we have and letting donks control the narrative for the past 13 years.
More importantly, DeSantis gets his legislation through. Something Trump struggled to do outside of Presidential fiat.

It's still early but I think it'll come down to DeSantis v Trump. I'm hoping Trump taps out with a "medical reasons" excuse but his ego won't allow it. Haley or Scott would be a good VP for box checking/optics purposes. Meh on everyone else on that list above.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 8:52 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 3:35 pm

You know, you used to be better than this. You’re slipping.

Is that the same “federal government” that labeled him a racist for shutting down air travel from China at the end of January?
Or the same federal government that insisted he was overreacting and let Chinatown have their party and Mardi Gras go ahead as planned?
Or is it the same federal government who fought him at literally every turn (and not just about COVID, but literally everything he tried to do during his four years)?

There are so many instances like this in the early days that to say “Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” is just not factual and is a gross oversimplification of where we were at as a country and the events that actually did happen.
“Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” might be an oversimplification but I do think it's true. He did some things well (encouraging companies to develop a vaccine, shutting down travel, etc.) but his administration screwed up others (managing the changing message). The federal government also missed a huge opportunity to help coordinate procurement of PPE. He was POTUS. No matter how hard he tried to avoid responsibility for anything negative, the buck stopped with him. We used to have grown-up leaders who could take responsibility but he took that declining characteristic to a new low.
We haven’t had a grown up leader since Reagan. Maybe Bush I.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 8:39 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 05, 2022 8:52 am

“Trump completely fucked up the federal government response” might be an oversimplification but I do think it's true. He did some things well (encouraging companies to develop a vaccine, shutting down travel, etc.) but his administration screwed up others (managing the changing message). The federal government also missed a huge opportunity to help coordinate procurement of PPE. He was POTUS. No matter how hard he tried to avoid responsibility for anything negative, the buck stopped with him. We used to have grown-up leaders who could take responsibility but he took that declining characteristic to a new low.
We haven’t had a grown up leader since Reagan. Maybe Bush I.
And there were a string of incompetents prior to Reagan.
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Re: 2024 Primary

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SDHornet wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:22 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:10 am

He’s a politician. And he’s 10x more mature than anyone on the Donk side and certainly Trump.

Newsflash: Appeasement as a strategy does NOT. WORK. We’ve tried it long enough. DeSantis fights back…perhaps you see that as petty, I see it it’s standing your ground and not taking shit like we have and letting donks control the narrative for the past 13 years.
More importantly, DeSantis gets his legislation through. Something Trump struggled to do outside of Presidential fiat.

It's still early but I think it'll come down to DeSantis v Trump. I'm hoping Trump taps out with a "medical reasons" excuse but his ego won't allow it. Haley or Scott would be a good VP for box checking/optics purposes. Meh on everyone else on that list above.
Just the opposite - if he believes his advisors. No way he even enters the race if he thinks he's going to be a landslide loser again. And after what his advisors said at the hearing, under oath, (under oath being what separates the testimony of those of his people who blame Trump from those who don't), I have no doubt that Jabba the Gutt wishes he'd listened to those who tried to speak truth to power. And now the gubbernor of Arkansas, of all places, stands up and says on national media that Trump lost and the election was not rigged. When somebody in that position jumps ship I would call it a strong indicator that Asa Hutchison no longer sees Trump as a threat. Add in Chris Christie's scathing review Sunday morning and you can only conclude that the political establishment types no longer see Trump as able to cause them much trouble. But wait, what about the base? The base doesn't have much juju if their guiding light won't be able to run. And right now I can't think of anything that would prevent him running except the committee having the goods... :coffee:
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Re: 2024 Primary

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Winterborn wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 5:57 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue May 10, 2022 8:39 pm

We haven’t had a grown up leader since Reagan. Maybe Bush I.
And there were a string of incompetents prior to Reagan.
Ford, Nixon, Ike > Reagan
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Re: 2024 Primary

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houndawg wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:51 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 10:22 pm

More importantly, DeSantis gets his legislation through. Something Trump struggled to do outside of Presidential fiat.

It's still early but I think it'll come down to DeSantis v Trump. I'm hoping Trump taps out with a "medical reasons" excuse but his ego won't allow it. Haley or Scott would be a good VP for box checking/optics purposes. Meh on everyone else on that list above.
Just the opposite - if he believes his advisors. No way he even enters the race if he thinks he's going to be a landslide loser again. And after what his advisors said at the hearing, under oath, (under oath being what separates the testimony of those of his people who blame Trump from those who don't), I have no doubt that Jabba the Gutt wishes he'd listened to those who tried to speak truth to power. And now the gubbernor of Arkansas, of all places, stands up and says on national media that Trump lost and the election was not rigged. When somebody in that position jumps ship I would call it a strong indicator that Asa Hutchison no longer sees Trump as a threat. Add in Chris Christie's scathing review Sunday morning and you can only conclude that the political establishment types no longer see Trump as able to cause them much trouble. But wait, what about the base? The base doesn't have much juju if their guiding light won't be able to run. And right now I can't think of anything that would prevent him running except the committee having the goods... :coffee:
They smell blood in the and I’d be surprised after the 1/6 commission is finished if he even runs. Regardless of whether he’s prosecuted or not.

But he’s been underestimated before.
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Re: 2024 Primary

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kalm wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:49 am
Winterborn wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 5:57 am

And there were a string of incompetents prior to Reagan.
Ford, Nixon, Ike > Reagan
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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