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Re: 2024 Primary

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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:38 pm
dbackjon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:39 pm
There is none Soros has been the anti-semitic boogeyman for the GOP for decades. Yet they ignore all the billionaires (like Peter Thiel) that buy Senate Seats for themselves (via puppets like JD Vance)
:nod:

But it’s nice to see all of the GOP received the same talking points on this.

Jordan thinks congress has jurisdiction over a state court case and Rand Paul tweeted that Bragg should be jailed.

Lol.
Thiel is a pox just like Soros.

Jordan and Rand Paul are as delusional as the fools that think trump is a fascist ... :coffee:
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dbackjon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:37 pm
UNI88 wrote: Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:41 pm

Democrats haven't given up on Democracy, they've given up on the Republic. The US is a Republic and the Senate, Electoral College, etc. are key elements that Democrats are attempting to undermine.

It will take an authoritarian government to force the America they want upon everyone else. Ever if it didn't, the big, uber-powerful federal government that Democrats desire will end up being authoritarian.
The Electoral College is an outdated vestige of slavery. The Republicans in 90% of elections can't win the popular vote.
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How are the Democrats trying to undermine the Senate?

The GOP has undermined the House and state governments with extreme gerrymandering.

The GOP is 3/4 of the way to the authoritarian government already
The Electoral College is not an outdated vestige of slavery. There were a number of reasons that contributed to it's forming but I don't think slavery was a top reason much less the only or primary reason.

Proof that "Republicans in 90% of elections can't win the popular vote"? You made a statement, prove it without adding any qualifiers after the fact.

Trying to weaken the filibuster is undermining the Senate.

Both parties engage in gerrymandering. Take a look at Illinois and Oregon for examples of the Democratic party doing it.

Both parties are 3/4 of the way to authoritarian government.
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Re: 2024 Primaries

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dbackjon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:33 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:56 pm
I believe it makes fraud easier or more likely than in person. I know this has already been beaten to death on here, but I don't believe there's any valid reason you can't have absentee limited to excuse (out of town during election day/week, infirm, the military, etc) and everyone else vote in person (make a national holiday, have the polls open for several days), with voter ID. Heck, apparently 46 of 47 European countries require voter ID, about 3/4 don't even allow absentee, and the majority that allow absentee require voter ID for absentee. And they are suppose to be more enlightened than us..
There is no more fraud with mail-in ballots than in-person voting. Decades of experience in Red and Blue states show that. No Valid reason? How about work, family, more time to study a ballot and all the propositions, judges, etc.
Haven't you been paying attention? Trump and the GOP are jumping on board with mail in voting. It's en vogue now.
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Re: 2024 Primary

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:05 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:38 pm

:nod:

But it’s nice to see all of the GOP received the same talking points on this.

Jordan thinks congress has jurisdiction over a state court case and Rand Paul tweeted that Bragg should be jailed.

Lol.
Thiel is a pox just like Soros.

Jordan and Rand Paul are as delusional as the fools that think trump is a fascist ... :coffee:
:lol:

You don’t have to believe Trump is a fascist…or a neo-fascist…or pre-fascist. After all this isn’t post war, Spanish Flu, Versailles Treaty, economically depressed, mid 20th century Europe.

Let’s instead just call him an autocratic, nationalistic, corporatist who pushes fear of the other and tried to overturn a free election. Ok?
I can see three objections to calling a large section of the Republican party pre-fascist. The first can be dismissed with a flick of the fingers as it comes from a self-interested right that has to pretend it is not in the grip of a deep sickness – and not only in the United States. The second is the old soothing “it can’t happen here” exceptionalism of the Anglo-Saxon west, which has yet to learn that the US and UK are exceptional in the 21st century for all the wrong reasons. The third sounds intelligent but is the dumbest of all. You should not call Trump or any other leader a pre- or neo-fascist or any kind of fascist until he has gone the whole hog and transformed his society into a totalitarian war machine.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:18 pm
dbackjon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:37 pm
The Electoral College is an outdated vestige of slavery. The Republicans in 90% of elections can't win the popular vote.
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How are the Democrats trying to undermine the Senate?

The GOP has undermined the House and state governments with extreme gerrymandering.

The GOP is 3/4 of the way to the authoritarian government already
The Electoral College is not an outdated vestige of slavery. There were a number of reasons that contributed to it's forming but I don't think slavery was a top reason much less the only or primary reason.

Proof that "Republicans in 90% of elections can't win the popular vote"? You made a statement, prove it without adding any qualifiers after the fact.

Trying to weaken the filibuster is undermining the Senate.

Both parties engage in gerrymandering. Take a look at Illinois and Oregon for examples of the Democratic party doing it.

Both parties are 3/4 of the way to authoritarian government.
Well done, saved me the trouble of dismissing many of those tropes.

Also, the undermining of the Senate is more than the filibuster, it's also the move to make DC into a state, primarily to increase the number of secure Dem seats. If we were so interested in getting members of Congress in the House and Senate for DC voters, why not just have Maryland reabsorb that city? We gave back to Virginia the parts of DC they originally offered up so why can't the same be done for the Maryland portion? I know the answer, because it doesn't increase the number of Dem senators by 2 so that's why. And this is from a guy who'd be perfectly okay with admitting Puerto Rico as a state, if that's what the folks from Puerto Rico wanted, even though that too would likely be 2 secure Democratic seats in the Senate (although, given the shift in Hispanic voting, not a sure thing forever apparently, hence why the Dems seem to be more focused on DC).

And yes, the gerrymandering is done to equal effect on both sides. Blue states get bluer and red states get redder, and most of it is due to creating that through district maps. We're not down to maybe 30 competitive House districts every two years from a purely GOP gerrymandering effort.
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Re: 2024 Primaries

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Ibanez wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:45 am
dbackjon wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:33 pm

There is no more fraud with mail-in ballots than in-person voting. Decades of experience in Red and Blue states show that. No Valid reason? How about work, family, more time to study a ballot and all the propositions, judges, etc.
Haven't you been paying attention? Trump and the GOP are jumping on board with mail in voting. It's en vogue now.
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So when is Trump’s arrest coming? Was suppose to happen Tuesday, but didn’t happen Tuesday, yesterday or today.
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Re: 2024 Primary

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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:05 pm So when is Trump’s arrest coming? Was suppose to happen Tuesday, but didn’t happen Tuesday, yesterday or today.
Who announced it?
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kalm wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:14 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:05 pm So when is Trump’s arrest coming? Was suppose to happen Tuesday, but didn’t happen Tuesday, yesterday or today.
Who announced it?
It looks like it was announced by lil' donny trumpkins ...

‘Unlawful': Manhattan DA stiff-arms House GOP info request on Trump case
“The Letter only came after Donald Trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene. Neither fact is a legitimate basis for congressional inquiry,” she wrote in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by POLITICO.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 4:20 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:14 pm

Who announced it?
It looks like it was announced by lil' donny trumpkins ...

‘Unlawful': Manhattan DA stiff-arms House GOP info request on Trump case
“The Letter only came after Donald Trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene. Neither fact is a legitimate basis for congressional inquiry,” she wrote in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by POLITICO.
:nod:

And Bragg responded appropriately today to house Republicans.
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What a cuck

DeSantis brands Putin ‘a war criminal’ who should be ‘held accountable’ for Ukraine invasion
https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/desantis- ... reddit.com
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:22 pm What a cuck

DeSantis brands Putin ‘a war criminal’ who should be ‘held accountable’ for Ukraine invasion
https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/desantis- ... reddit.com
I guess SG isn't going to be hopping on the DeSantis bandwagon.
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Re: 2024 Primary

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:18 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:22 pm What a cuck

DeSantis brands Putin ‘a war criminal’ who should be ‘held accountable’ for Ukraine invasion
https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/desantis- ... reddit.com
I guess SG isn't going to be hopping on the DeSantis bandwagon.
It gets worse with Disney sending a big fuck you announcement of the largest LGBTQ gathering in the world this Fall and the guy who authored the don’t say gay bill facing serious prison time.
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DeSantis agenda wins in Florida but could cost him in 2024 -Reuters/Ipsos poll
Only a third of Americans want a presidential candidate who supports severe restrictions on abortion rights and most voters oppose allowing people to carry concealed firearms without a permit, according to the poll of 4,410 adults.

Should DeSantis run, his positions on abortion and guns will likely help win support of Republican primary voters in the early months of 2024, but may hurt him with the independent and more moderate voters he would need to win, the data suggested.
I think I was saying something like this a few weeks ago.

Paging BDKaren for a rebuttal ...
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:44 pm DeSantis agenda wins in Florida but could cost him in 2024 -Reuters/Ipsos poll
Only a third of Americans want a presidential candidate who supports severe restrictions on abortion rights and most voters oppose allowing people to carry concealed firearms without a permit, according to the poll of 4,410 adults.

Should DeSantis run, his positions on abortion and guns will likely help win support of Republican primary voters in the early months of 2024, but may hurt him with the independent and more moderate voters he would need to win, the data suggested.
I think I was saying something like this a few weeks ago.

Paging BDKaren for a rebuttal ...
And you were correct.

John Kasich was on MSNBC this morning. Someone like him are what the R’s, if not the whole country needs.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:18 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:22 pm What a cuck

DeSantis brands Putin ‘a war criminal’ who should be ‘held accountable’ for Ukraine invasion
https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/desantis- ... reddit.com
I guess SG isn't going to be hopping on the DeSantis bandwagon.
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kalm wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:58 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:44 pm DeSantis agenda wins in Florida but could cost him in 2024 -Reuters/Ipsos poll



I think I was saying something like this a few weeks ago.

Paging BDKaren for a rebuttal ...
And you were correct.

John Kasich was on MSNBC this morning. Someone like him are what the R’s, if not the whole country needs.
Exactly why the R's don't need Kasich..
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:56 am
kalm wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:58 pm
And you were correct.

John Kasich was on MSNBC this morning. Someone like him are what the R’s, if not the whole country needs.
Exactly why the R's don't need Kasich..
What a crazy, mixed up world we live in when appearing on MSNBC is a bigger problem than having 5 children with 3 different women, being accusing of sexual assault/rape 20+times, paying off a porn star to cover up an affair, cheating numerous subcontractors out of payment for their time and materials, inciting a riot and threatening more violence.

The R's & D's could use adults like Kasich
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:05 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:56 am
Exactly why the R's don't need Kasich..
What a crazy, mixed up world we live in when appearing on MSNBC is a bigger problem than having 5 children with 3 different women, being accusing of sexual assault/rape 20+times, paying off a porn star to cover up an affair, cheating numerous subcontractors out of payment for their time and materials, inciting a riot and threatening more violence.

The R's & D's could use adults like Kasich
Bills/laws/policies/rulings coming out of the 3 branches of the fed govt can have an effect on my life. The past peccadilloes of a POTUS doesn't. I'd rather have an asshole like Trump who's willing to stand up and fight the left, than a Milquetoast like Kasich who will get run over and abused..
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:05 pm So when is Trump’s arrest coming? Was suppose to happen Tuesday, but didn’t happen Tuesday, yesterday or today.
The only person who said the arrest was coming from Trump. Even his lawyers didn’t agree. He’s just a fear mongering pussy.


It’s not wise to put any stock into anything he says. He’s a known liar and con artist.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:29 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:05 pm
What a crazy, mixed up world we live in when appearing on MSNBC is a bigger problem than having 5 children with 3 different women, being accusing of sexual assault/rape 20+times, paying off a porn star to cover up an affair, cheating numerous subcontractors out of payment for their time and materials, inciting a riot and threatening more violence.

The R's & D's could use adults like Kasich
Bills/laws/policies/rulings coming out of the 3 branches of the fed govt can have an effect on my life. The past peccadilloes of a POTUS doesn't. I'd rather have an asshole like Trump who's willing to stand up and fight the left, than a Milquetoast like Kasich who will get run over and abused..
Those are more than "peccadilloes".

trump doesn't fight. Ole bone spurs is a coward who has other people fight for him while he pretends to be a tough guy.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:18 pm
Skjellyfetti wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:22 pm What a cuck

DeSantis brands Putin ‘a war criminal’ who should be ‘held accountable’ for Ukraine invasion
https://nypost.com/2023/03/22/desantis- ... reddit.com
I guess SG isn't going to be hopping on the DeSantis bandwagon.
SG hasn't been on the DeSantis bandwagon since it was revealed who his big donors were, and that's been months. Jeb Bush donors.
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Ibanez wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:41 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:05 pm So when is Trump’s arrest coming? Was suppose to happen Tuesday, but didn’t happen Tuesday, yesterday or today.
The only person who said the arrest was coming from Trump Even his lawyers didn’t agree. He’s just a fear mongering pussy.


It’s not wise to put any stock into anything he says. He’s a known liar and con artist.
Wrong. The leak of Trump’s pemding arrest came out NYC 8 days ago (Fri, 3/17) from ‘anonymous sources’
Local, state, and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former President Donald J. Trump could be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the discussions.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigatio ... s/4160387/
It might have come out a day or 2 earlier, but I remeber it was Friday, 3/17 when it 1st blew up in the news. Regardless, it didn’t 1st come from Trump, who didn’t put out a truth about it until the next day, Saturday, 3/18.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:20 am
Ibanez wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:41 pm
The only person who said the arrest was coming from Trump Even his lawyers didn’t agree. He’s just a fear mongering pussy.


It’s not wise to put any stock into anything he says. He’s a known liar and con artist.
Wrong. The leak of Trump’s pemding arrest came out NYC 8 days ago (Fri, 3/17) from ‘anonymous sources’
Local, state, and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former President Donald J. Trump could be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the discussions.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigatio ... s/4160387/
It might have come out a day or 2 earlier, but I remeber it was Friday, 3/17 when it 1st blew up in the news. Regardless, it didn’t 1st come from Trump, who didn’t put out a truth about it until the next day, Saturday, 3/18.
So where in the news release did they say he was being arrested on Tuesday?
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:41 pm The only person who said the arrest was coming from Trump Even his lawyers didn’t agree. He’s just a fear mongering pussy.


It’s not wise to put any stock into anything he says. He’s a known liar and con artist.
Wrong. The leak of Trump’s pemding arrest came out NYC 8 days ago (Fri, 3/17) from ‘anonymous sources’
Local, state, and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former President Donald J. Trump could be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the discussions.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigatio ... s/4160387/
It might have come out a day or 2 earlier, but I remeber it was Friday, 3/17 when it 1st blew up in the news. Regardless, it didn’t 1st come from Trump, who didn’t put out a truth about it until the next day, Saturday, 3/18.
You trust anonymous sources now?


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