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GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:48 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:15 am

My favorite was how it was racist to require ID to register, only to see the Dems agree it was just fine if it helped to pass Manchin's version.

I'm still amused that we're fine with the idea of requiring vaccine passports, or ID if you will, to do a lot of things (board planes, attend concerts, go to school, etc) but the idea of requiring ID to vote is still controversial.

There is a system of perfectly acceptable voter ID and registration and other laws that everyone should be able to agree on. However, neither side likes to talk in reality, just hyperbole, so we get the mess we have right now.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:48 am

I'm still amused that we're fine with the idea of requiring vaccine passports, or ID if you will, to do a lot of things (board planes, attend concerts, go to school, etc) but the idea of requiring ID to vote is still controversial.

There is a system of perfectly acceptable voter ID and registration and other laws that everyone should be able to agree on. However, neither side likes to talk in reality, just hyperbole, so we get the mess we have right now.

Apologies I don't have the survey handy, but the latest one I saw actually had minorities at a higher level of support for voter IDs vs the white majority.

Take that statement with a grain of salt, as I venture to some rather interesting websites!

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts

"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am

GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:48 am

I'm still amused that we're fine with the idea of requiring vaccine passports, or ID if you will, to do a lot of things (board planes, attend concerts, go to school, etc) but the idea of requiring ID to vote is still controversial.

There is a system of perfectly acceptable voter ID and registration and other laws that everyone should be able to agree on. However, neither side likes to talk in reality, just hyperbole, so we get the mess we have right now.

Apologies I don't have the survey handy, but the latest one I saw actually had minorities at a higher level of support for voter IDs vs the white majority.

Take that statement with a grain of salt, as I venture to some rather interesting websites!

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am

Apologies I don't have the survey handy, but the latest one I saw actually had minorities at a higher level of support for voter IDs vs the white majority.

Take that statement with a grain of salt, as I venture to some rather interesting websites!

As long as the gubmint provides the ID at no cost.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 am

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am

As long as the gubmint provides the ID at no cost.

Agreed. I also saw the gubmint finally took one of my long time ideas. Hire people to go to homes of those that cannot make it to an ID facility.

AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:13 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am

Apologies I don't have the survey handy, but the latest one I saw actually had minorities at a higher level of support for voter IDs vs the white majority.

Take that statement with a grain of salt, as I venture to some rather interesting websites!

Hell, the woke left's entire assertion that "blacks and other minorities are just too stupid to get an ID" is racist in and of itself.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:25 am Where is StOnge? Judge rules Maddow is NOT news.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-cour ... ws-viewers

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts

"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:48 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:25 am Where is StOnge? Judge rules Maddow is NOT news.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-cour ... ws-viewers

Anyone watching Maddow, Scarborough, Hannity, Carlson for news is an idiot. They're opinion shows not factual shows.

houndawg wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:30 am

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:37 am

Apologies I don't have the survey handy, but the latest one I saw actually had minorities at a higher level of support for voter IDs vs the white majority.

Take that statement with a grain of salt, as I venture to some rather interesting websites!

As long as the gubmint provides the ID at no cost.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:51 am

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:48 am

Anyone watching Maddow, Scarborough, Hannity, Carlson for news is an idiot. They're opinion shows not factual shows.

Exactly, but that doesn't stop a shit ton of people from saying a network is biased. I always ask that question when I hear that statement - are you talking news division or political commentary division.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:51 am

Exactly, but that doesn't stop a shit ton of people from saying a network is biased. I always ask that question when I hear that statement - are you talking news division or political commentary division.

At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:51 am

Exactly, but that doesn't stop a shit ton of people from saying a network is biased. I always ask that question when I hear that statement - are you talking news division or political commentary division.

At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:47 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm
At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

Agreed. Got three words for you.

The Conversation Treehouse.

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:47 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm

At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

Agreed. Got three words for you.

The Conversation Treehouse.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:03 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:47 pm

Agreed. Got three words for you.

The Conversation Treehouse.

What happens in the Conversation Treehouse? Is going there with you similar to going on a paddling trip with Kalm?

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:35 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:47 pm

Agreed. Got three words for you.

The Conversation Treehouse.

Are they better than The Conservative Treehouse?

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm

SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:51 am

Exactly, but that doesn't stop a shit ton of people from saying a network is biased. I always ask that question when I hear that statement - are you talking news division or political commentary division.

At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:06 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm
At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

You left off CNN being Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel.

SeattleGriz wrote:

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:09 am It’s official HR-1, the democrat bill to rig elections, goes down in flames. And the leftist tears are flowing as they lash out in anger..

My favorite was how it was racist to require ID to register, only to see the Dems agree it was just fine if it helped to pass Manchin's version.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:23 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:06 pm
You left off CNN being Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel.

There too much shitte and drivel on both sides to waste time trying to identify all of the sources.

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:14 pm

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:23 pm

There too much shitte and drivel on both sides to waste time trying to identify all of the sources.

* There’s

There is still quite a bit of quality journalism out there but less and less from corporate media. It’s almost as if they thrive off of tribalism and sensationalism.

But it’s still the responsibility of the consumer to read between the lines and remain skeptical.

UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:23 pm

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:06 pm
You left off CNN being Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel.

There too much shitte and drivel on this board to waste time trying to identify all of the sources.

BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:06 pm

Ibanez wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:14 pm

At this point - it doesn't matter. Fox News is Republican / Conservative shitte and drivel. MSNBC is Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel. New or political commentary - the line is so blurred there's hardly a difference.

You left off CNN being Democratic / Progressive shitte and drivel.