Lol. so you’re part of her cult?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:19 am @ SD. That looks helluva photoshopped. It's not the logo she uses on her emails and I'm on her mailing list and didn't get it.
I also did a reverse image search and it's only circulating among the right's Twittersphere. Look at the text that's circled in red...seems manipulated. Also like any good politician, she usually asks for money somewhere (although not always).
Don't use social media as a source; the irony in the pic is that it's probably disinformation. Find a primary source and I'll admit she's wrong.
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Let's deflect ...houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:31 amThat their problem. I could drive roundtrip to either Memphis or Nashville in the time it takes to drive to Chicago.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:22 am
What is the property valued at? <$2,300 sounds pretty good but comparing tax rates is dependent on the value of the property.
Since we're discussing high tax rates in Donk paradises, Chicago absolutely belongs in the discussion. I would guess that 75-80% of the people in Illinois live in and around Chicago. Chicago and Madiganistan are swimming in debt and unfunded pension liability due to mismanagement and giving away pension benefits that they can't afford. If the state of Illinois was a private enterprise they would have to declare bankruptcy. The state is worse run than the Trump Organization and what and how much they tax is going to continue to increase.
- Avoiding the statement about Illinois's gross mismanagement by Donks.
- Not answering the question - what's your property worth? Can't really say if <$2,300 is a low tax rate or not until we know that.
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Her emails and others just go to a political folder in my inbox which I never check. There's 999+ unread right now.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:34 amLol. so you’re part of her cult?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:19 am @ SD. That looks helluva photoshopped. It's not the logo she uses on her emails and I'm on her mailing list and didn't get it.
I also did a reverse image search and it's only circulating among the right's Twittersphere. Look at the text that's circled in red...seems manipulated. Also like any good politician, she usually asks for money somewhere (although not always).
Don't use social media as a source; the irony in the pic is that it's probably disinformation. Find a primary source and I'll admit she's wrong.
But I donate to the progressive caucus, including AOC.
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Fake "evidence" has never stopped a good conspiracy. Just ask jelly.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:19 am @ SD. That looks helluva photoshopped. It's not the logo she uses on her emails and I'm on her mailing list and didn't get it.
I also did a reverse image search and it's only circulating among the right's Twittersphere. Look at the text that's circled in red...seems manipulated. Also like any good politician, she usually asks for money somewhere (although not always).
Don't use social media as a source; the irony in the pic is that it's probably disinformation. Find a primary source and I'll admit she's wrong.
BTW here is the Cannon Building evacuation. I see a lot of people fearing for their life (sarcasm).
EDIT: Trip, looks like one of your fellow neo-Marxists...err I mean progressives got the email:
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Illinois's income tax is a flat tax signed into law by a Conk btwUNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:19 amHoundbrah is probably going to duck this one so ...
- Sales Tax = 6.25% for state, total sales tax can be as high as 11% depending on the county and municipality. I think Chicago is 10.25%
- Income Tax = 4.95%
- Property Tax = 2nd highest in the country. Statewide average is double the national average.
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AOChe's timeline doesn't line up along with the map check of her story. Whoops.
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Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
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She’s been all over the CNN and MSNBC this week but in general, no.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:32 am Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
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Are you sure about that?Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:18 amIllinois's income tax is a flat tax signed into law by a Conk btwUNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 10:19 am
Houndbrah is probably going to duck this one so ...
- Sales Tax = 6.25% for state, total sales tax can be as high as 11% depending on the county and municipality. I think Chicago is 10.25%
- Income Tax = 4.95%
- Property Tax = 2nd highest in the country. Statewide average is double the national average.
ILLINOIS LAWMAKERS PASS PERMANENT INCOME TAX HIKE, OVERRIDE RAUNER’S VETO
And just 3 years after passing the "largest permanent income tax hike in state history" the Donks' attempt to amend the state constitution to allow for a graduated income tax failed.Members of the Illinois House of Representatives passed into law the largest permanent income tax hike in state history July 6, successfully overriding Gov. Bruce Rauner’s July 4 veto of a larger budget package.
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Moody’s Investors Service has indicated that even with the budget deal, Illinois is likely to become the nation’s first junk-rated state.
In addition, Governor Toilet was working on a variety of backdoor tax increases.
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Yeah, fearing for their lives lol. 90% of them look like a bunch of mind numbed robots standing around looking down at their phones.SDHornet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:13 amFake "evidence" has never stopped a good conspiracy. Just ask jelly.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:19 am @ SD. That looks helluva photoshopped. It's not the logo she uses on her emails and I'm on her mailing list and didn't get it.
I also did a reverse image search and it's only circulating among the right's Twittersphere. Look at the text that's circled in red...seems manipulated. Also like any good politician, she usually asks for money somewhere (although not always).
Don't use social media as a source; the irony in the pic is that it's probably disinformation. Find a primary source and I'll admit she's wrong.
BTW here is the Cannon Building evacuation. I see a lot of people fearing for their life (sarcasm).
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Question - how do you compare your views on social media platforms ("I don't believe in free speech on private platforms") compare to your views on net neutrality for Comcast, etc.?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:32 am Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
To me social media platforms have become a digital version of the town square and restrictions on speech need to be carefully considered. Why doesn't the digital environment need regulation to protect diversity (of opinion) just like the natural environment?
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So she's the boogeyman of the right like Trump was the boogeyman of the left? We'd be better off ignoring AOChe like we would have been better of ignoring Trump.kalm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:57 amShe’s been all over the CNN and MSNBC this week but in general, no.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:32 am Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
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Big Tech sure as heck has no no business censoring conservatives on "private" platforms, while at the same time benefitting immensely from liability protection in the form of Section 230, courtesy of Big Govt.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:07 amQuestion - how do you compare your views on social media platforms ("I don't believe in free speech on private platforms") compare to your views on net neutrality for Comcast, etc.?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:32 am Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
To me social media platforms have become a digital version of the town square and restrictions on speech need to be carefully considered. Why doesn't the digital environment need regulation to protect diversity (of opinion) just like the natural environment?
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Do they have a duty to ensure that powerful, influential people aren't peddling misleading and/or dangerous information? That's a question, not a taunt or a troll.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:09 amBig Tech sure as heck has no no business censoring conservatives on "private" platforms, while at the same time benefitting immensely from liability protection in the form of Section 230, courtesy of Big Govt.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:07 am
Question - how do you compare your views on social media platforms ("I don't believe in free speech on private platforms") compare to your views on net neutrality for Comcast, etc.?
To me social media platforms have become a digital version of the town square and restrictions on speech need to be carefully considered. Why doesn't the digital environment need regulation to protect diversity (of opinion) just like the natural environment?
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Well, the NY Times is now calling for Biden to appoint a "reality tsar". Great, we can have our own Ministry of Truth headed by a Goebbels...This is beyond 1984...
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That's a very valid question. How do you balance free speech with preventing con men from lying? In the old days a mob would just string up a snake oil salesman who crossed the line.
Doesn't Big Tech also have no business restricting bandwidth (net neutrality) while benefiting from utility-like status?
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@UNI
The internet itself is the town square, not social media websites.
All websites - like stores - are free to serve customers however they want as long as they don't infringe on your rights. Free speech is not a protected right on private properties, nor political views a protected class.
Don't like Twitter? Go to Parler. Don't like Fox? Go to Newsmax. Etc.
The lack of net neutrality is different because it's a threat on the concept of the town square itself.
The internet itself is the town square, not social media websites.
All websites - like stores - are free to serve customers however they want as long as they don't infringe on your rights. Free speech is not a protected right on private properties, nor political views a protected class.
Don't like Twitter? Go to Parler. Don't like Fox? Go to Newsmax. Etc.
The lack of net neutrality is different because it's a threat on the concept of the town square itself.
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Fail- those stores aren't provided liability protection from govt.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:33 am @UNI
The internet itself is the town square, not social media websites.
All websites - like stores - are free to serve customers however they want as long as they don't infringe on your rights. Free speech is not a protected right on private properties, nor political views a protected class.
Don't like Twitter? Go to Parler. Don't like Fox? Go to Newsmax. Etc.
The lack of net neutrality is different because it's a threat on the concept of the town square itself.
Get rid of Sec 230 1st, before even beginning this discussion.
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I don't disagree 230 should receive an overhaul. Conservative social media websites are also protected by it btw.
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Good analogy, Trip. Part of the remedy is also a regulated free market that’s mindful of monopolies.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:33 am @UNI
The internet itself is the town square, not social media websites.
All websites - like stores - are free to serve customers however they want as long as they don't infringe on your rights. Free speech is not a protected right on private properties, nor political views a protected class.
Don't like Twitter? Go to Parler. Don't like Fox? Go to Newsmax. Etc.
The lack of net neutrality is different because it's a threat on the concept of the town square itself.
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Don't disagree with that either.
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If the internet itself is the town square then what if the tech giants combined are restricting conservative speech? They might not be colluding but isn't it a defacto monopoly if collectively they are restricting platforms that appeal to conservatives?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:33 am @UNI
The internet itself is the town square, not social media websites.
All websites - like stores - are free to serve customers however they want as long as they don't infringe on your rights. Free speech is not a protected right on private properties, nor political views a protected class.
Don't like Twitter? Go to Parler. Don't like Fox? Go to Newsmax. Etc.
The lack of net neutrality is different because it's a threat on the concept of the town square itself.
How is Amazon Web Services removal of Parler different from Comcast being able to restrict bandwidth?
Was the removal of Parler justified? Was more of the Capitol riot planning done on Facebook and other platforms? If yes, whey aren't they being punished? What about the planning for the BLM/AnTiFa riots? Why aren't the social media platforms where those riots were coordinated being restricted? How is restricting an individual or platform such as Parler any different than a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding?
I'm not sure this is as cut-and-dried as people on either side want to make it. There is definitely hypocrisy and double standards in determining what is and isn't acceptable.
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So you claim she'll be POTUS one day but are now back peddling and claiming she isn't in the headlines very often even though she is all the rage with zoomers and millennials. Which is it? You seem to be downplaying her influence all of a sudden.∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:32 am Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.
But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.
But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.
edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.
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Excellent points. What the Left advocates for and turns a blind eye wrt to SM censorship has been quite the calamity. I don't know what the solution is but agree that SM is the "modern day town square".UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:13 pmIf the internet itself is the town square then what if the tech giants combined are restricting conservative speech? They might not be colluding but isn't it a defacto monopoly if collectively they are restricting platforms that appeal to conservatives?∞∞∞ wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:33 am @UNI
The internet itself is the town square, not social media websites.
All websites - like stores - are free to serve customers however they want as long as they don't infringe on your rights. Free speech is not a protected right on private properties, nor political views a protected class.
Don't like Twitter? Go to Parler. Don't like Fox? Go to Newsmax. Etc.
The lack of net neutrality is different because it's a threat on the concept of the town square itself.
How is Amazon Web Services removal of Parler different from Comcast being able to restrict bandwidth?
Was the removal of Parler justified? Was more of the Capitol riot planning done on Facebook and other platforms? If yes, whey aren't they being punished? What about the planning for the BLM/AnTiFa riots? Why aren't the social media platforms where those riots were coordinated being restricted? How is restricting an individual or platform such as Parler any different than a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding?
I'm not sure this is as cut-and-dried as people on either side want to make it. There is definitely hypocrisy and double standards in determining what is and isn't acceptable.
And the Parler saga disproved the whole "JuSt BuIlD yOuR oWn Sm" narrative.